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What would the seat have looked like in a 65 GMC 1000 with a fawn painted interior metal and red (514) exterior? And would factory option seat belts have been fawn color or another color? I need to recover my seat and want to add belts, and would like to make it original looking even though it won't be original.
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Heres some GMC interior and paint information from a 1965 GMC data book. Assuming your truck is not a "Custom" ? Seat would be Fawn vinyl . From past experience and current trucks , the GMC seat belts in my 66s are black with a GMC logo in the buckle. Ive never had a 65 GMC with belts , but the literature for GMC points to the belts being black with a plain buckle , Chevy accessory belts for 63-65 are also black. Fawn belts were only used in 1966 Chevy. They had smooth buckles , in 1967 Chevy, same belt but with a bowtie on the buckle.
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Thanks 60-66 for the info and all the nice pics of old literature.
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O.K. Took a few days to straighten out some of the Information on where and when BUT from January 1960-March of 1961 (mid-year) the door for our truck DID have a weather strip. Steel Rubber sells the replacement gasket either in a set or single parts. See Pictures.
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I bought a full set of tan belts with gm starburst logo metal buckles from Seat Belt Planet for $252 including nutplate hardware since my '65 has nothing.. maybe black would be more correct but since it didn't have anything in it anyway, I went with what matches the seat and interior color the best from colors available.. so I'll have a full belt set including driver and passenger shoulder belts and center lap belt once I get the seat installed for proper belt mounting adjustments if necessary.. the seat cloth has been a tough one for me.. I have a fantastic interior restoration and upholstery place but the seat cloth has been hell to get.. since february, we have been dealing with sms fabric in oregon but they are very slow and recently sent not only the wrong fabric, but the wrong vinyl and the fabric they sent was not even the wrong sample they sent previously! problem is they did send the EXACT matching cloth and vinyl samples and I must have them to put this seat back to original :cool: thankfully the upholsterer has more patience than I do and is hopefully getting it all straightened out.. 6 months of waiting for samples only to receive entirely different material is frustrating! good luck with your project! this thread has mounting location dimensions and informative discussion; 1965 Seat Belts??? more here; Aftermarket Seatbelts??? my old seat pic [upside down :hm:]; https://dl.dropbox.com/s/eenmte79zoq...plete.jpg?dl=0 my old seat fabric; https://dl.dropbox.com/s/kldtrycbm92...abric.jpg?dl=0 completed sample [probably from this site somewhere :hm:]; https://dl.dropbox.com/s/ide8ta64i5v...ample.jpg?dl=0 |
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Has anyone found a repop of the factory vinyl seat material? All I see are the fabric seats that people try to recreate. I believe my seat back is original in my 65 GMC 1000 but the bench is a solid color.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/DT...W=w700-h827-no Perhaps too off topic, but I'm surprised so many suppliers all offer the same seat upholstery covers from the same supplier (Acme) and they look nothing like the factory seats. I'm also curious if anyone knows if these are the factory accessory seat belt mounting brackets. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/q3...1=w300-h950-no |
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In the picture of the Fawn interior, the area outlined is where the rear wiring group transitioned from the cab interior to the frame. On the early years there was a plate cover. My '60 has that, do we know what years this changed?
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Post 314 Question, '64 with Fawn Steering Column,
Jon, do you have more information on the '64 with the fawn steering column. Where there by white and fawn in '64? Was fawn only with certain options? thanks, Les |
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Found this grease pen on the bottom of my heater fan in my 65 GMC. Truck was built at the Fremont assembly plant. Appears to say "VEGA"
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Another case of assembly line signatures? ..or perhaps this part was originally fitted to a 70's Chevrolet Vega, and made it's way to your GMC by way of a local wrecking yard. ;)
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here's an interesting factory signature found in my '02 GMC which I am the original owner.. https://dl.dropbox.com/s/y4sxkla6v7h...38777.jpg?dl=0 inside the cabin air filter cover that I didn't know I had :rolleyes: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/gotxcwrenc6...28197.jpg?dl=0 |
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I picked up mine for about $10.00 off ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-56-57-C...pXp6ma&vxp=mtr |
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I bought some rolls from YearOne several years ago for my lap belts, and they kept the belt out of the door. -Brad |
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I know, but I'm anal on the OEM issue....some days I hate being a virgo.........
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Ok guys, I need thoughts on this, I may have just discovered a 283 from 1966 that can painted Alpine green from the factory.
Upon separating the transmission from the motor I noticed over spray on the back of the block that appears to be original. The top coat is a blue, which I do not believe to be correct at all, but under that is a very obvious Alpine green. My opinion is that this HAS to be original. Look at the photo. This may validate the common theory that the factories that built these trucks pretty much did what the wanted as far as engine colors... What do you guys think? |
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I will gather all that info later today, I have already researched the casting number and it is indeed a 66 283 engine, but thats as far as I have gone, I will try to get a better shot of that area, specifically that freeze plug, the photo is actually not as convincing as it is in person. there really is quite a bit of what appears to be alpine green in multiple "hidden" places on the engine.
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Just to clarify something in your original post.
"This may validate the common theory that the factories that built these trucks pretty much did what the wanted as far as engine colors..." You do understand ? that there were only two engine plants building and painting engines at this time , Flint and Tonawanda . Yours is most likely, Flint, where the engine was built start to finish including paint. Engines were not painted on or at the many assembly lines where these trucks were built. Heres some info on engine assembly. . http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...NGINES/008.jpg http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...NGINES/007.jpg |
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Really interesting info, thanks for posting, I do also know that my truck was built at the Fremont CA plant, I do have both build sheets as well.
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at what point was the transmission bolted to the engine? weren't the engines painted with the transmission installed? I have seen examples on this board of engine color overspray on the transmission bell housing.
Just curious because I really want to get this as "correct" as i can. not Concours correct, but "correct" enough. sorry for all the questions. |
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Not necessarily. Transmissions were put on at the body- chassis assembly line. Transmissions were built at several different plants and shipped to final assembly like the engines. Bell housings or "Clutch Housing" as referred to above , were put on before paint. Heres some interesting photos http://chevellestuff.net/tech/assemblies.htm but do not assume everything you see in the photos relates to trucks.
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That sure looks like Chevy blue to me. Doesn't resemble the original turquoise green on my 327, IMO.
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the paint under the "chevy blue" especially visible on the center of the freeze plug is what I am trying to determine. It looks to me like the engine was sprayed with the chevy blue at some point in its life. looks to be sprayed over alpine green.
I guess my question is this: is it out of the realm of possibility that my engine was alpine green from the factory? has anyone ever seen a factory alpine green 283? |
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casting date F03O8WH the tag in the truck says TRIM z62 PAINT 540 WB 115 CA I could possibly have been rebuilt at some time, not really sure how to determine that. what info am I looking for on the build sheet? |
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I did some research on the code at the passenger side front of the engine.
It was manufactured on March 8th, 1966 in the Flint plant, and the last two letters (WH) state that it is an A.I.R. with Powerglide. what does A.I.R. stand for? |
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Yes, it appears so, My truck has absolutely nothing on it as far as smog goes, I live in TX, so I'm not going to worry about any equipment that wasn't on the truck to begin with.
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A picture is what I need of the build sheet. Too many things on a build sheet to ask for.
Yes your engine is a 283 PG A.I.R. engine . Couple things , I looked over the one or two pictures I could find of your truck. Its a very nice looking truck ! I'm not putting it down when I say this next, but at some point in its life it was completely repainted , possibly engine compartment also, and obviously the engine. I was looking for another clue but that did not happen. There were green 283s, but, they were installed in the larger c40-c60 trucks. They were much different than C10 engines. They, GM , actually raised up the water pump on some like the 1961 C60 283 I have, with special made bolt on adapters to get the fan in line to the radiator , also different things about brackets , pulleys and intake manifolds. All of those differences are WHY they were painted a different color though. My GM parts book specifically says your engine is from a C10 only. Therefor I'm in complete agreement with OEM and Sodly , that your engine paint shown is not factory , it changed over time with chemicals to come up with a green appearance . Also the correct name for the engine paint is really not Alpine green , its just Green. Alpine Green is a close match but a lighter color than Chevrolet engine green. After what I've looked at of your truck , it seems very original as far as the parts it came with from the factory , that's a huge plus ! It would be a shame to paint the engine green , ( like painting a GMC V6 GREEN ! ) . Paint it Gray if you want it correct , there's no doubt in my mind that's how it left the factory. As for the AIR engine, theres a clue on the build sheet or spid that may tell you if your truck was a California sold in state truck or a California export truck , its called " Engine Conversion " in which they plugged the exhaust manifolds for the AIR tubes and changed brackets and pulleys. Nice truck !! |
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Yes, it is quite original except for the air cleaner, and the hubcaps, some fasteners, crappy spliced up wiring harness, and bed wood is not original and is rotting out, other than that, its completely original, that's why I want to restore it instead of hot rodding it. and yes, I was already aware that it was completely repainted, and not very well either, engine compartment was rattle can sprayed all black which is not correct. it was originally body color, and yes the engine probably was sprayed as well, I found out all that was done in 1991, and unfortunately, it was done poorly if you look closely. No offense taken, I already knew all that. So, you think grey, not the chevy blue? would be correct? I have a few pics posted through several of my posts, I also started a blog to follow the build, lots of pics there. http://billetproofcustoms.blogspot.com |
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Here are three pics of the build sheet.
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Yup , no A.I.R.
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It seems any reference i can find on motor color indicates either gray, or blue. i'm really leaning (but not set in stone) toward the chevy blue, because I don't see any evidence of gray on the engine anywhere. would the chevy blue be correct for this year truck? My research seems to indicate yes. |
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There isn't a rear bumper reference because rear bumpers were installed at the dealer , not on factory assembly line. Basically you can put whatever you want on the rear. The chrome sport bumper would look great but theres many utility bumpers that look good also. Heres a pretty good thread of stock trucks. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=439322 |
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Original paint 283 , truck has 8700 original miles.
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just to be clear, what color is the engine in the pic you sent? chevy blue? or gray? is the color I am looking for commonly called "ford gray" ? |
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Its Gray . Ford gray is a lighter gray than this, but is used often by some.
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