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flashed 11-09-2015 01:38 PM

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Those look nice .

rgunlock 11-09-2015 03:26 PM

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Look good as new! I'll be interested to see them go from frame to completed seat.

7dee2 11-10-2015 11:02 AM

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Thanks guys!

That might just happen Rick, all my upholstery connections have dried up.

Another factor is I'm kind of on the fence about which interior to use. We have a recovered red bucket set with original foam slated for our C10 project that was going to be black w/red interior (I love & hate black exteriors)? Here's some pics of our red buckets in the C10 from earlier last year.

This restored set we are working on is probably going to be a black houndstooth to match a complete black interior we have or? This set could open up other color choices for the C10? Or look great in the K30 which is going to be white, w/red or black interior. :confused:

7dee2 11-16-2015 11:12 AM

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Mrs. 7dee2 says we are sticking with the plan! She’s not a fan of white w/red so white w/black using black hounds tooth covers it is.

I like this paint so far; it sprays well dry’s quick and looks really close to OEM, Sahweet! :metal: We’re using more paint than I thought we would probably due to the multiple coats so I’m glad there’s plenty.

JJorgensen52 11-16-2015 11:19 AM

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Mrs. 7dee2 says we are sticking with the plan! She’s not a fan of white w/red so white w/black using black hounds tooth covers it is.

I like this paint so far; it sprays well dry’s quick and looks really close to OEM, Sahweet! :metal: We’re using more paint than I thought we would probably due to the multiple coats so I’m glad there’s plenty.

Looking sharp! Did you mention what paint it was before?

7dee2 11-17-2015 12:03 PM

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Thanks Jim the paint is called Zero Rust here is a link http://zero-rust.com/index.php & http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&postcount=428 from what I understand its ingredients are very, very similar to rustoleums formula.

Painted parts stack is growing, the core support is about to get another coat with plenty of extra paint on the front side, last pic is some more finished pieces.

7dee2 11-18-2015 11:36 AM

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Used a little (very little) filler in some places to remove any remaining sign of grind marks left on the outer parts of the rails. I know I’m fussing but the idea's to make it look like it came from GM this way.

rgunlock 11-18-2015 03:05 PM

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Looking really good Brett! I think its looking smoother than the parts of my truck that show :lol:

Dieselwrencher 11-18-2015 05:23 PM

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Great work, those black parts look sweet! Nothing wrong with smoothing the grind marks out. That'll just make it a better job done in the end!

7dee2 11-19-2015 11:59 AM

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Thanks guys I appreciate it.

Our little booth is full up with the rails in there! And all done, it took about 1.5 gallons and into a second spray can so far to get to this point.

Dieselwrencher 11-19-2015 08:45 PM

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Looking nice!

JJorgensen52 11-19-2015 09:05 PM

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It's amazing how just a little time in the spray booth can make SO MUCH difference in how far along your project looks and feels. I better get busy catching up! ;)

7dee2 11-23-2015 11:22 AM

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Thanks guys so used to looking at the old fugly, greasy frames for so long it is a bit of a shock! :lol:

Paint booth is gone and starting assembly, putting in all of the cross members finger tight so we don’t have to fight them.

7dee2 11-25-2015 10:24 AM

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We used a ½” impact gun to tighten all the bolts from the center of the frame working outward. Here are some pics of the hangers & bump stops installed.

Still need to add a couple more small brackets (front shock, front & rear brake line), braces (gas tank mount) and the frame will be done.

rgunlock 11-25-2015 01:51 PM

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Frame is looking really nice Brett. I like that you know its also rust-free and painted behind the brackets.

Dieselwrencher 11-25-2015 10:27 PM

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That is some nice work! It looks very nice.

7dee2 11-26-2015 12:38 PM

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Thanks Rick & DW! When bolting the frame together the flange bolts did tear into the paint layer and the bolts have no corrosion protection. Thought we better put a coat of paint on all the bolts followed by a coat of satin clear over the whole frame. Here are some pics after clearing, looks dusty but it is just overspray dust that comes right off.

mjensen 11-26-2015 12:43 PM

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Thanks Rick & DW! When bolting the frame together the flange bolts did tear into the paint layer and the bolts have no corrosion protection. Thought we better put a coat of paint on all the bolts followed by a coat of satin clear over the whole frame. Here are some pics after clearing, looks dusty but it is just overspray dust that comes right off.

This is looking killer Brett!

You'll be happy to know I'm actually going to make some more progress this weekend as well! I'm now considering switching over to the NP205 TCase because I don't want to deal with this T-221 and reworking the exhaust.

72MARIO 11-27-2015 10:18 PM

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I am trying to get all my parts together to build my 1968 longhorn frame I bought what I believe to be a 1981 1 1/4 ton military frame. The rear spring hangers look diffirent than yours any idea what the differences are in years ? I also looked at a 1972 2500 4X4 and yours look so much taller.What year was your dually chassis ?

JJorgensen52 11-28-2015 12:23 AM

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I am trying to get all my parts together to build my 1968 longhorn frame I bought what I believe to be a 1981 1 1/4 ton military frame. The rear spring hangers look diffirent than yours any idea what the differences are in years ? I also looked at a 1972 2500 4X4 and yours look so much taller.What year was your dually chassis ?

The high GVWR military trucks are an animal all to themselves, so there is not a lot of commonality with what Brett is doing here.

The major reason for the height difference is the axles themselves - the 2500 series trucks used a Dana 44HD front axle, while the 3500 series trucks used a Dana 60 - the axle is larger and taller in every respect, making the front of the truck sit up higher.

Zane M 11-28-2015 12:59 PM

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I don't know how I missed this thread previously.
You are doing a fantastic job! Looking forward to further progress.

71blksuper4x4 11-28-2015 05:18 PM

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Looking good Brett!

7dee2 11-30-2015 11:07 AM

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This is looking killer Brett!

You'll be happy to know I'm actually going to make some more progress this weekend as well! I'm now considering switching over to the NP205 TCase because I don't want to deal with this T-221 and reworking the exhaust.

Thanks Mike, glad to see the forward progress happening on your project. You get your truck running again and it’ll motivate you finish I’m sure of it!

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I am trying to get all my parts together to build my 1968 longhorn frame I bought what I believe to be a 1981 1 1/4 ton military frame. The rear spring hangers look diffirent than yours any idea what the differences are in years ? I also looked at a 1972 2500 4X4 and yours look so much taller.What year was your dually chassis ?

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The high GVWR military trucks are an animal all to themselves, so there is not a lot of commonality with what Brett is doing here.

The major reason for the height difference is the axles themselves - the 2500 series trucks used a Dana 44HD front axle, while the 3500 series trucks used a Dana 60 - the axle is larger and taller in every respect, making the front of the truck sit up higher.

72Mario, Jim is spot on with the Dana 60 info and his 72 GMC K3500 build has been a huge help and inspiration for this project, so if you have not yet make sure to check his build out. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=573671

My donor was a 1984 GMC K3500 3+3 (D60F/T400/NP205/14BFF DRW C&C) we are using the axles, transfer case and various other bits & pieces. Everything in our suspension is 71-72 K20 except the rear, rear position spring hangers and the rear spring packs (9/1) which are refurbed from the 84 K3500. These rear hangers measure just barely over 8” from the top of the bracket to the center of the inner eyelet. Sorry not the best pic holding the tape and camera at the same time but you get the idea.

We got all of our K20 stuff from forum vendor DLTruck1973, Tom & Thomas they are great to work with and I’m sure could help with any square body parts as well.

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I don't know how I missed this thread previously.
You are doing a fantastic job! Looking forward to further progress.

Thanks Zane M, me too!

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Looking good Brett!

Thanks Trevor, I like the new avatar looks great!

7dee2 12-01-2015 11:58 AM

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So the boy & I are thinking of going in a new direction? :baa:

flashed 12-01-2015 01:09 PM

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Now that there is an uptown rig .

7dee2 12-08-2015 10:45 AM

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Yep, still waiting for somebody to pass us the gray poop on! :lol:


Back to the build, it's time to do something with the diffs. Started on the 14b and found it needs a little more than I originally thought. Drums are to be discarded @ 13.09" ours are both about 13.125". Also on closer inspection decided we should speedi-sleeve both hub seal areas both have multiple grooves.

JJorgensen52 12-08-2015 11:08 AM

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Yep, still waiting for somebody to pass us the gray poop on! :lol:


Back to the build, it's time to do something with the diffs. Started on the 14b and found it needs a little more than I originally thought. Drums are to be discarded @ 13.09 ours are both about 13.125. Also on closer inspection decided we should speedi-sleeve both hub seal areas both have multiple grooves.

Seems like it might almost be easier just to pick up an axle in better shape?? Rebuilding the axles was one of my favorite parts of the K3500 build.

7dee2 12-09-2015 10:12 AM

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Ha, my donor was no low mileage cream puff for sure! But I’m like you Jim rebuilding them is a big part of the fun and when done you know what you have and can count on.

After documenting the location of the remaining shock mount we removed it. With the narrow c&c 14b our mounts were centered @ 10.25” in from the brake backing plate mounting surface. For reference it also looks to be fairly in line horizontally with the housing and backing plate mounting bracket. That will not make much difference though our new ones are shaped more like the original GM ones.

7dee2 12-10-2015 01:06 PM

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I’ve been on the fence about re-gearing the truck for a long time. It’s currently 4.56 and I’m thinking a 4.10/4.11 might be better for our application but with the carrier breaks between the two ratios that’s a big $$ commitment. I know I don’t want the rear to remain open so a new carrier is going to be needed, and no a locker is not an option for this build. Leaning towards a Truetrac carrier Eaton has a spiffy video here http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsS...dex.htm#tabs-5

Did find just a little bit of metal fragments hiding behind the left adjuster and tube don’t know if you can see it in the picture. Everything looks pretty good and that’s the only place I found it so may have been left over from an earlier problem.

JJorgensen52 12-10-2015 02:16 PM

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I’ve been on the fence about re-gearing the truck for a long time. It’s currently 4.56 and I’m thinking a 4.10/4.11 might be better for our application but with the carrier breaks between the two ratios that’s a big $$ commitment. I know I don’t want the rear to remain open so a new carrier is going to be needed, and no a locker is not an option for this build. Leaning towards a Truetrac carrier Eaton has a spiffy video here http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsS...dex.htm#tabs-5

Did find just a little bit of metal fragments hiding behind the left adjuster and tube don’t know if you can see it in the picture. Everything looks pretty good and that’s the only place I found it so may have been left over from an earlier problem.

+1 on the TruTrac - I've got one in the '50 and one going into my Sonoma GT. My brother used to work for Eaton Powertrain and I got to see the testing they do on those things - pretty impressive!

Regards the metal flakes - nothing in the bearings? That would be my major concern.

Strider 12-10-2015 06:09 PM

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Hi 7dee2

Love the build and have been following.

I had to ask: What brand is your lift in your garage? Capacity?

I'm thinking of buying one myself!

Keep up the nice work.

7dee2 12-14-2015 11:13 AM

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+1 on the TruTrac - I've got one in the '50 and one going into my Sonoma GT. My brother used to work for Eaton Powertrain and I got to see the testing they do on those things - pretty impressive!

Regards the metal flakes - nothing in the bearings? That would be my major concern.

My son in-law told me they had one in a jeep frontend that he and his brothers use to pound on, on a regular basis when they were younger. I'm thinking both front & rear what do you think?

Didn’t notice anything wrong with any of the bearings/races and only found the flakes after completely removing the adjuster from the housing. We’ve got a master rebuild kit coming with all new bearings so the goal is to do a really thorough cleaning prior to reassembly and replace everything! :lol:


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Hi 7dee2
Love the build and have been following.
I had to ask: What brand is your lift in your garage? Capacity?
I'm thinking of buying one myself!
Keep up the nice work.

Thanks Strider I appreciate the compliment. It’s an Eagle SS7000XLT (extra-long & tall) 7K capacity, we’ve been very happy with the lift over the years (10+). First bought it to stack cars in a storage unit then moved it to our garage after it was built and used it as an elevator to insulate, hang sheet rock etc., now paint booth its been a great tool.




Front diffs turn and you probably guessed, rotors are also at the discard point. Funny thing is the donor truck stopped pretty darn good I thought. I drove it at freeway speeds and in town for about 40 miles before tearing it down. No death wobble, straight down the road and probably stopped so well because the pads and shoes were fairly new.

JJorgensen52 12-14-2015 11:23 AM

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My son in-law told me they had one in a jeep frontend that he and his brothers use to pound on, on a regular basis when they were younger. I'm thinking both front & rear what do you think?

A lot of the off-road guys like to run them up front and a locker in the rear, it allows for a limited amount of wheelspeed differential so you really don't notice it during daily driving. Good choice for an all around rig :metal:

mx289 12-14-2015 10:46 PM

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Frame looks great Brett.

Gonna be a roller before too long !

7dee2 12-15-2015 11:14 AM

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A lot of the off-road guys like to run them up front and a locker in the rear, it allows for a limited amount of wheelspeed differential so you really don't notice it during daily driving. Good choice for an all around rig :metal:

After reading that this type of carrier is recommended for front wheel drive and has very little feedback thought the steering that is the plan.

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Frame looks great Brett.

Gonna be a roller before too long !

Thanks mx289!


Both inner axles have a nice groove and are wet so we're calling them leakers and adding them to the scrap pile. It was hard to tell what leaked before teardown as everything had ¼”+ of grease on it! :lol:

DWilbur 12-15-2015 11:36 AM

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For a daily driver I would say away from a locker or posy up front. My friend Pat had Detroit locker in the rear and posy in front in a 1972 K20 and it was slide ways in the iced up roads in the winter.

JJorgensen52 12-15-2015 02:58 PM

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For a daily driver I would say away from a locker or posy up front. My friend Pat had Detroit locker in the rear and posy in front in a 1972 K20 and it was slide ways in the iced up roads in the winter.

I've actually had this problem in a truck with an open front and locked rear - most people I know who drive in snow and ice prefer posi in the rear for that reason.

7dee2 12-16-2015 10:56 AM

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For a daily driver I would say away from a locker or posy up front. My friend Pat had Detroit locker in the rear and posy in front in a 1972 K20 and it was slide ways in the iced up roads in the winter.

I’ve heard that same thing from several sources as well and you’re probably right, but I think I’m going to give it try and see firsthand how the helical-gear style carrier works out. Our off road plans do include pulling a lite weight 5th wheel and I want the extra pull when needed. We can always switch it back to an open and use this carrier elsewhere if it really doesn’t work out. :dohh:


The front gear set seemed noticeably looser than the rear.

7dee2 12-21-2015 12:26 PM

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First wave of axle stuff has shown up and the shock mounts are ready to be welded on. Found way too much travel in the rear springs, if we leave them like that it would possibly over extend our new shocks and could possibly bend or break the top leafs. We are going to have to limit the travel some.

First c10 12-21-2015 01:28 PM

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Merry Christmas too you!!!
Looking good! I like the stage when you have parts coming in!!! Paying part or working to pay for them stage not so much!!!:)


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