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Captainfab 05-20-2011 12:39 AM

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The powder coater I use 2 coats about 95% of the parts, but they do it a little differently. They preheat the parts, pull them out and shoot a medium coat. Let the parts cool some, then another medium coat, and then bake them for about 40 minutes or so depending on the parts. Their powder always holds up very well.

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Originally Posted by jimmydean (Post 4689061)
When I shoot chassis parts, I usually double up my coats. In my experience with my setup, I would shoot an even first coat, bake for about 12 minutes to flow the powder, but not fully cure it. Air cool, reshoot over room temp parts (hot powder will cause the second coat to be rough) then bake for about 20. The bottom layer will fuse with the top and the top will cure.

2 layers will not be heavy in the welds. I like to make sure my coats are even and details are visible. I don't like gloss frames, either.


I think that RAL-7042 will look awesome on that frame :thumbs:

A low gloss on a frame is the way to go IMO.......

jimmydean 05-20-2011 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 4690167)
The powder coater I use 2 coats about 95% of the parts, but they do it a little differently. They preheat the parts, pull them out and shoot a medium coat. Let the parts cool some, then another medium coat, and then bake them for about 40 minutes or so depending on the parts. Their powder always holds up very well.

I tried a lot of different things and found when I shot the powder onto hot parts, the surface wouldn't be as smooth because of how some powder would melt on impact, then some would sit on top.

Greg, not to hijack your thread, but would you mind sharing the process you'll use for shooting the frame?

kart34 05-20-2011 07:19 AM

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Ral 7042 from Tiger is a hi gloss 90 % gloss . Here is how we will coat the frame. We will wash it in our stainless steel 3 stage washer with Fremont 621 phosphate wash. We will seal it with Fremont 439 sealer/ rust protectant. We will then apply Cardinal Gr-533 epoxy primer ... may have to hot flock it too get it in the speed holes... jell the primer.. then topcoat it possibly 2 coats depending how it works in the speed holes. Hot flocking works well.;)

Final bake 392 degrees for 10 minutes peek metal temp. Watch it when you coat parts hot... hotflocking.... you can really get a high mil. coverage.... which leads to orange peel issues with some lower flow powders.

chevyrestoguy 05-20-2011 10:08 AM

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^^^That's great info, and again, I'm just blown away at the steps that the pros use to apply powder.

I'll lock that into my memory banks, and the next time I go to the local shop, I'll ask them if they wash, seal, and prime before they shoot the powder. Also, if they use the heating/cooling process when they're laying down coats.

Most of the stuff I see has excessive mil thickness in the joints, heavy particulates in the powder, and orange peel.

kart34 05-23-2011 11:27 AM

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Getting ready to coat today......:uhmk::uhmk::uhmk:

kart34 05-23-2011 05:00 PM

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We carefully hoisted the C-10 frame onto the trolley system in our shop...it went into the stainless steel washer and washed with Fremont 621 phosphate wash, and rinsed. From this point the frame went into the curing oven to dry and get ready for the next step in the process. The Fremont 439 sealer can be applied hot or cold. This product works very well to also stop flash rusting.


Randy Harris running the Komatsu forklift.... I got to run the hooks... Gary Harris running the washer.

kart34 05-23-2011 05:07 PM

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The frame came out of the oven hot, and we then sealed it with Fremont 439 sealer/ rust protectant. The frame will follow the path of the trolley system into the paint booth for a thorough coat of primer GR-533. I am the dude sitting in the shop stool, supervising !!!!!

Bryan Hernandez appling the Fremont 439 sealer... Jesse Hernandez and Tiffany " social media networking manager" Peterson working the video and camera.

kart34 05-23-2011 05:15 PM

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All necessary holes are plugged in the frame and start the hot flocking process into the speed holes. Soon the entire frame is coated with primer GR-533 and will move to the curing oven. Dain Schultz and Daryl Bouwman rocked the primer basecoat.

kart34 05-23-2011 05:23 PM

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This is the curing oven...these next photos show the hot flocking and this worked very well to coat the space between...and finally the frame complete, smoothly and perfectly primed!!!:metal:

jimmydean 05-23-2011 06:13 PM

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Damn, can't wait to see some color! I only wish I had your shop! Nice work, that primer looks awesome.

Captainfab 05-24-2011 12:52 AM

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That frame is looking very nice. You obviously have a first class powder coating shop. I'm anxiously awaiting to see some color on this frame.

kart34 05-24-2011 07:15 AM

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Today we will block out some areas... scuff the chassis... hot flock coat the speed holes... and give it the Tiger Drylac Ral 7042 topcoat.;););)

chevyrestoguy 05-24-2011 07:59 AM

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What does the term "hot flocking" mean?

kart34 05-24-2011 09:31 AM

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applying the powder when the part is hot ( Hotflocking) ... for hard to coat areas it will melt on impact ;)


blocking out the chassis now will be video taping this PM

jimmydean 05-24-2011 12:26 PM

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I never had much luck hot flocking with my home setup. The powder didn't seem to melt fully and left a lot more texture than I was going for. Can't wait to see how that Tiger powder lays with that high speed gun you have.

kart34 05-24-2011 01:06 PM

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If it orange peeled ? you need to turn the gun down... added too much material. Did you do a powder mil. reading? ;););) We hot flock a lot of our parts because we specialized in big mass ( large) parts (a large heat sink) so you really cannot always wait for the parts to totally cool. .

kart34 05-24-2011 01:10 PM

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2010 Gema OptiFlex 100,000 volt. powder gun.

jimmydean 05-24-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kart34 (Post 4697735)
If it orange peeled ? you need to turn the gun down... added too much material. Did you do a powder mil. reading? ;););) We hot flock a lot of our parts because we specialized in big mass ( large) parts (a large heat sink) so you really cannot always wait for the parts to totally cool. .

You know, I never measured how heavy I laid powder other than by sight. I have a good feel for the amount. If I ever get a chance to start on my suspension, I will post up pics of everything in powder. My work is 75% cosmetic, 25% function. Powder, when applied well looks as good as wet paint without the upkeep.My oven is only 4x4x6 :lol:

superflysteiny 05-24-2011 01:20 PM

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looken good

kart34 05-24-2011 03:27 PM

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Chassis is in the bake oven... stay tuned !!!!

kart34 05-24-2011 04:33 PM

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This is the process for top-coating the C-10 frame...we sanded the frame down, and blew the dust off ... wipe down with wax and grease remover... tag rag off the dust and apply top-coat.

kart34 05-24-2011 04:44 PM

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The frame moved back into the paint booth where it got its final coat and headed into the curing oven...came out looking like glass. Tiger Drylac Ral.7042 gray 90 -95 percent gloss . You always get a good finish with Tiger products. We used about 4 lbs. of powder for the topcoat on the chassis and misc. parts.

jimmydean 05-24-2011 06:17 PM

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Wow, that looks incredible. Nice work, now get that pig back together!

kart34 05-24-2011 06:31 PM

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OK assembly starts Wed. AM Powdercoating inside of cab / roof /firewall soon .. maybe Friday.;)

lolife99 05-24-2011 06:55 PM

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Quality work in those pics!
There are alot of powdercoaters should take a look at your process.
I wish you were closer to me,... so I could send you some business!

kart34 05-24-2011 09:02 PM

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Lolife99, We are working on a small parts powdercoating program. You ship it too Extreme .... we pay the frt. back to you via US Post office.

jimmydean 05-24-2011 09:21 PM

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I want to see a shot of Nate's bridge in that color in the sunshine. Damn that frame looks so good.

kart34 05-24-2011 09:47 PM

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Going to have a little pinstriping done asap on the Porterbuilt bridge. Looks like we will have the rolling chassis at "Back to the Fifties" June 17,18,19, on display in the Extreme Powder Coating booth.

kart34 05-25-2011 03:13 PM

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Rear End Housing and Pallet of parts for the C-10 coated!!


Organizing other parts for powdercoat! Cleaning up the C-10 shop today

Delmo 05-27-2011 11:57 AM

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Awesome as usual. I can't imagine the time you guys have into that beast.

jimmydean 05-27-2011 11:59 AM

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This truck isn't back together yet? Man, I am dying to see this bridge with the pin stripes.

kart34 05-27-2011 01:15 PM

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Working on it this weekend... stay tuned in !!!!

kart34 06-01-2011 02:49 PM

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Got the cab back from the sandblaster.. GT Blast-Tech. We have to fix a few rust spots that appeared in the blasting process. We will shoot a red oxide epoxy powdercoat primer on it asap. Then fix the rust spots and starting working with the powdercoatable bondo product we will be testing. stay tuned.

kart34 06-01-2011 02:52 PM

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Jesse is getting it put back together... should have a rolling chassis this week. Relic Pinstriping is going to work his magic on Monday.

kart34 06-02-2011 01:23 PM

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The center council has a built in tray for the Garmin - Dynamat is in - fixed up the floor in the cab - this is our powdercoat bondo we will be using - and the frame and parts are coming together!

:metal::metal::metal:

kart34 06-02-2011 01:27 PM

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more shots of putting the C-10 back together

SCOTI 06-02-2011 01:29 PM

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What is your exhaust coating process? What type of material is used?

jimmydean 06-02-2011 01:38 PM

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Man, that looks awesome. Love the exhaust, too.

Scoti, there is a powder I have used that looks exactly like that called "header coating" that cures at 400 and is supposed to be good to 1500 degrees or so once cured. I was going to use it on my street bike project until I round the titanium ceramic.

The ceramic coating worked better than the powder as far as engine performance, but did not hold up to daily driving like the powder does.

I hope to see that chassis in person some day, that powder looks incredible.

pdxhall 06-02-2011 02:51 PM

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Hey Kart, been following your build for a while. The frame is looking great(and everything else). I just noticed that it looks like you might be using an early mustang or falcon gas tank. Is this true? If so I'm curious about what you did about the sending unit ohms or do you have a guage that matches? I'm seriously thinking with going with that tank on my 66 LWB with stock fuel guage and need to adapt to the stock fuel guage.

kart34 06-02-2011 09:09 PM

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Scotti, The exhaust was custom built in house . I purchased some mandrel bends on e-bay and Jesse worked his magic. The coating process is burn off all oils ( bake in oven for a few hours or more) . Then we blast them with alum. oxide and apply the liquid ceramic . This is the same coating that we sprayed on the 2011 Ridler Award winner for Bruce Ricks.


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