Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

I shorten a tilt van column go to my build post#81

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

WOW great job. Your level of ingenuity weather its need or want is inspiring.
:metal:

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Looks good with all the new paint...

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Thanks a lot guys!!!

Rude Dude, I saw your post (ofcourse!!) I think I'm going to tackle that problem.
Looks more of a problem then it really is.....I hope ;) :lol::lol:

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Busy day today :metal:
Got the front brake lines installed and cleaned the frame a bit

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-L...o/P1260414.JPG

Then I hanged the engine in the crane for the last time (I hope...)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--...o/P1260415.JPG

Asked my buddy Niels to come over and help install the engine.
I was a bit surprised that he finally came over with his beautiful '66 VW Type 3

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c...o/P1260426.JPG

So said and done, engine is in his natural habitat ;)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--...o/P1260422.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--...o/P1260429.JPG

But, Houston, we've got a problem...
The clearing of the headers isn't what I expected.
the "downpipes" are way close to the rack and pinion and the starter:

Left side

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...o/P1260423.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a...o/P1260424.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-H...o/P1260425.JPG

Right side:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...o/P1260427.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/P1260428.JPG

Now I have to think about a sollution to make this work.
My first thought was to sell these and get a pair of half long headers, but that doesn't clear the column. That's a bigger problem.
After a second look I might get away with some tricky welding...:lol:

Stay tuned....

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

I had the same problem with the right side, it looks like you used the same starter and headers I did. Initially, I ground the header collector flange until it cleared the starter, which worked fine. I later put a starter from a 95 Chevrolet truck on it, which is very small. You could do either one. But, for the other side, I can't really see well enough to tell what is in the way. Eventually, I put a set of factory Corvette C4 manifolds on it, which are tubular and very much like the block hugger headers. The collectors on these are very similar to yours, but much further away from the engine block. Would that help?

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Thanks Gary.

The collectors clears both side well enough, but when I want to bolt the exhaust pipes onto the collectors, then the clearing issues begin.
But with a bit of creative welding, that problem should be solved too.
Just a lot of extra work.

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As you say, tricky welding! I think Chev 305 truck manifolds with the outlet in the rear would work for this situation. But, they aren't as cool as headers. Maybe some guys who have done this Jag suspension may know what works. Good luck!

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Excellent work Kees, I really like the build and am impressed with the quality of work you're achieving with "minimal tools" true hot rodding. Keep up the good work, hope you have more good days than bad. I'm in that boat myself and it's not fun, though I think it forces you to come up with easier better ways to do things. Work the mind not our battered bodies.

Cheers,
Cory

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Looking good.
Hope you get the header problem worked out.
These guys have some that may work.
http://www.sandersonheaders.com/Chev...eaders/?page=2
Kim

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Kees, this is an unfiltered thought. Which means I'm not responsible. Remove the header and at the top of the header flange, "pie" about 3/4" cut each tube leaving about a 1/4" of the tube at the bottom of the header flange uncut, re-weld the closed tube back to the flange. This should move the collector out away from the block. This might give you some relief. No ruffled feathers if you don't use this idea. Good luck NC

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Thanks Cory!
Appreciate your words a lot!

Thank you Kim, I will look at their headers.
I think I've find a way to make mine work...just old skool welding required ;)
If that doesn't work out, Sanderson must have the right ones!

Tips are always welcome!!
But the problem is not that the headers are too close to the block, my steering rack is too close to the header flange.
It's difficult to see at the pics, sorry.
I have to make a "special" pipe from the flange down.

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

You could cut the straight pipe off the flange and weld an angle on to the flange, similar to what I did from my turbo. Sorry don't have a close up.
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Thanks Lower50's, that was my first plan.
I think I have to notch the rack and pinion pipe too, to clear the rack.

Some creative welding requiered ;)

No problem :metal:
We'll see in the near future....

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Was a bit busy with the headers today.
I think it's going to work like I thought.

Rightside clears the starter good:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k...o/P1260438.JPG

I shortened the pipe a bit and put it on at a slight angle.
Easy :metal:

But then the leftside...
Rack and pinion is in the way...
I shortened both the collecterpipe and the downpipe, both ground in an angle.
Then I notched the downpipe as it fits around the rack.
I think its going to work this way ;)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-w...o/P1260439.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--...o/P1260440.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0...o/P1260441.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...o/P1260442.JPG

Yes, it's tight!
But, when finished, it should have half an inch clear of the rack, everywhere.
It's 2,5 inch pipe, I could have made the first few feet in 2 or 2,25 inch.
Didn't thought of that....Maybe that was easier...

Yesterday, I primered the inside cab floor, and put on the first layer of black paint today :lol:

Progress is being made here :sexy:

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Kees, sorry I didnt see this post earlier.... maybe could have saved you something.

The problem with making that "work" in that area is the heat that is going to come off that header is going to burn or destroy every part in there. Its going to melt the rack rubber cover, melt your power steering hoses, cook the oil in that steering gear box, not to mention the xtra heat on that oil pan. You really need to get the header collector out of that area.

Get a header with a rearward facing collector like a camaro or chevelle application, a shorty style with a rear dump. and go down the firewall with it. It will save you alot of grief. Or just cut yours up and make your own - you can do it man!;)


http://www.phastekperformance.com/v/...Y-402005-5.jpg

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

PTC, you are absolutly right about the heat.

It has slipped my mind, but never did anything with that thought :dum:

But now you woke me up....
Have to consider new headers or make 'm myself....
More work on the go ;)

Thanks for waking me up PTC!!

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I found some headers on the Dutch "CL"...
Maybe one of you can tell me if these gonna work better on my setup?
They're Hedman Headers #68600, for Camaro, Monte Carlo...

If someone uses them, can you tell me if they clear the intermediate shaft?
Or do I have to modify the intermediate shaft to bolt these on?
Picture of these mounted is very, very welcome!

Thanks!

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Kees I realize you are not trying to build a gasser but have you considered possibly using fender-well headers where it would go completely above the steering shaft? Unlike the second photo you could route the collector and exhaust pipes between the frame instead of on the outside of the frame.

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

BC, I've not considered them.
And I'm not gonna use these ;)

If something is ugly, then it's these headers on a not-gasser...

But thanks for thinking with me!!

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

I hate to suggest this as you are so far along, but, what about moving the drivetrain closer to the firewall to gain the clearance you need for the steering rack. Last resort kind of thing but if you're stuck it might be a way out.

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Good point Baddflash, but that's no option for me.
If I find the right headers, maybe modify them, then it's all good.

Remember, I'm just at the point of buying my fourth set ;)

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Sold the headers again.
Now wait for new ones to arrive ;)

Bolt on the brakebooster, MC and brakepedal yesterday, finally going to built something :metal:
Plumbed the brakes and booster today:

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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H...o/P1260459.JPG
Brakepedal is in, it's all black, so a bit difficult to see...

After the brakes I testfitted the steeringpump. I've got a bracket with the pump from the same '76 Chevy Van as is the steeringcolumn.
Its a bolt in!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...o/P1260460.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-v...o/P1260461.JPG
Just have to make a bolt and bushing to bolt it the header later on.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...o/P1260462.JPG

Now that it fits so nice I have to make the steering hoses, to mate the GM pump to the Jag rack. I asked around and that shouldn't be a problem if I know the thread sizes of the connectors.
So looking for that.

One off the list.....

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Good progress Keys. I have to ask about the copper colored brake line...of course that isn't copper is it?

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Looking good.
Kim

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Thanks Kim and Doug!!

Doug, what is the problem with copper brakelines?
I've used them for 30 years and never had a single problem with them.
Just not overtighten them!
There legal too, overhere ;)

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and--use a lot of rubber isolated clamps and don't let them touch any steel parts (vibration abrasion)

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Thanks Kees, I learn something every day.

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Sure I use a lot rubber isolated clamps ;)
I know what can go wrong when the line breaks....

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I will lend you a hand since I've already worked through a few problems with the Jag IFS in my '57.
For headers, I ordered the Flowtech 11108FLT from Summit. The drivers side has the right bends to get away from the steering box, but I will have to run 3 steering joints and a support bearing, but if it works then I'm good with that.
The Jag steering ports are 1/2"-20 inverted flare and a 5/8"-18 inverted flare. I bought flare to AN adapters so that I can simplify my lines with AN fittings. Those adapters are also from Summit, part numbers RUS-640330 and RUS-640380.

I hope this helps. Keep p the good work!

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Yep, that sure helps a lot!!!
And right on time :lol:

I will have the lines made for me this week.
For headers, probably I go with the Ramhorns I have, I will testfit them and see of those will work.
If not, I will look into your Summit numbers.

Thanks a lot OneOffstroker!!!

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Will a set of '88-'95 headers fit my '71 SBC?
I mean, is flange at the head the same where you bolt the headers on the heads?

I ask this because the Ramhorns doesn't fit either...
The rack and pinion is playing with me ;)

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

just eyeballing it, this gm truck header from summit looks like it dumps far enough back to be behind the engine mounts and steering.
SUM-G9014
$179.97

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Thanks John!

I found some headers too, I just want to know if I can use headers made for SBC from '88-'95.
Does those fit the boltflange at my '71 heads?

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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G...o/P1260463.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...o/P1260470.JPG

Here can you see the problem.
They clear the rack and pinion, but the height is too short to make a decent downpipe. Now the u-joint get in the way...

They sure look cool thou!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-w...o/P1260464.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...o/P1260469.JPG

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Kees, I am not sure and hopefully someone else will chime in. I vaguely recalled something about exhaust manifold bolt placement and came across this picture showing a change in 1983. Best bet is to Google the headers you are looking at to determine if they will fit the bolt positions for sure.

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Well,
I thought, I give Sanderson a quick email....
Instant replay:
So, that's my answer right there ;)
If the're made for stck type heads, it should fit with no problem.

Super service overthere by Sanderson!

Now I can go on looking for some new ones, pair number five :metal:

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Nice progress!

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

I have the same problem even though my steering rack spline is on the other side.
I have tried stock cast manifolds, block huggers, tight block huggers, long primary headers.
None of them give enough steering column / shaft clearance.
I have come to the conclusion that a fabricated header, at least on the driver side (RH side for me ;) ) is the only way to solve this one

Re: Dutch '59 Fleetside Longbed
 

Good work Kees, you're getting on well...
I'm still a long way off this point with mine, but have you thought about altering the rack mounts, or making some spacers, to rotate it or/and move it back a bit?
might help, might not!