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Gregski 03-25-2022 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher (Post 9056624)
Those fit in there pretty nicely. So you're thinking you will have roughly 160 miles of range with those 6 batteries?

no all six of those equal just one battery pack and I hope to get 27 miles out of a single pack

I plan on having at least three of those battery packs so a total of 18 of those "batteries" twelve up front and another six under the bed

YellowK5 03-25-2022 06:29 PM

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Fun project! More value as of lately

Gregski 03-25-2022 09:56 PM

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Fun project! More value as of lately

thanks mate, indeed, I could not wait to get crackin' on this project

Gregski 03-25-2022 09:58 PM

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Costco Jack & Craigslist Jill what could possibly go wrong

Oh no it's too big! how many times have I heard that before [don't nobody answer that!]

Gregski 03-25-2022 10:02 PM

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someone once said you haven't wrenched until you made or modified yer own tool, am I right fellas

I once volunteered at a motor cycle shop for Big Al the man who sold me this truck, we quick become friends, and I asked him once why he cut his ratchets down to stubbies and he said: "cause I got tired of snappin' them bolts"

that's some street credit right there you feel me Young Blods?

Gregski 03-25-2022 10:07 PM

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so let me get this straight, now we needs a jack to put the transmotor on the jack and we needs another jack to lift the rig up on ramps to git that trans on this jack under the jacked up rig??? follow all that? ha ha

this sounds like one of them two things we likes like chocolate and steak just not together there deals

I recon all them hernias from bench pressing those 850 lbs transmissions [I'm looking at you Muncie SM465] was a worth it

shout out if you know what a Granny Low SM465 feels like, ha ha

Gregski 03-25-2022 10:13 PM

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so here we go again, another one man slow dance

8man 03-26-2022 08:40 AM

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Trying to play catch up, and it's tough for an old guy. The batteries looked good inside the frame rail. Can you run them toward the tail end further too? Looked like there was some frame back there to put another row. If I remember your work from before, you've already considered that.

Also, like the jack conversion. Beats getting a buddy and laying on your backs to try and muscle that thing in!!! Did that with a Torqueflight 727 when I was much younger.

Mike Bradbury 03-26-2022 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 9056627)
no all six of those equal just one battery pack and I hope to get 27 miles out of a single pack

I plan on having at least three of those battery packs so a total of 18 of those "batteries" twelve up front and another six under the bed

Whoa, so one battery pack only gets 27 miles? Did I miss how the Leaf got close to 106 miles from its pack? Seems like a lot of batteries for 80ish miles. Are the new 2020 and newer batteries more efficient or just more of them? Some adds for the current electric vehicles claim 300 or more miles per charge. how do they accomplish this range?

Gregski 03-26-2022 03:31 PM

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Whoa, so one battery pack only gets 27 miles? Did I miss how the Leaf got close to 106 miles from its pack? Seems like a lot of batteries for 80ish miles. Are the new 2020 and newer batteries more efficient or just more of them? Some adds for the current electric vehicles claim 300 or more miles per charge. how do they accomplish this range?

this battery is from a hybrid called a BMW 530e the Nissan Leaf battery is from a 100% electric vehicle

this one is only 9 kWh the leaf one is 24 kWh

just last night I received some good news from a fellow EV Converter running the exact same battery pack and transmotor and he confirmed we can now calculate 3.25 miles per kWh if not 3.5 (son on par with the Leaf) I was being conservative at 3 miles per kWh

the BMW pack is much much more bang for physical space the Leaf battery pack is huge

Mike Bradbury 03-26-2022 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 9057178)
this battery is from a hybrid called a BMW 530e the Nissan Leaf battery is from a 100% electric vehicle

this one is only 9 kW the leaf one is 24 kW

just last night I received some good news from a fellow EV Converter running the exact same battery pack and transmotor and he confirmed we can now calculate 3.25 miles per kW if not 3.5 (son on par with the Leaf) I was being conservative at 3 miles per kW

the BMW pack is much much more bang for physical space the Leaf battery pack is huge

Okay that is good news, more miles the per pack the better. But you will need three of the BMW packs correct? Which should equal the Leaf pack size? But at total 27KWH (9x3), does it work that way?

Gregski 03-27-2022 06:28 AM

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Okay that is good news, more miles the per pack the better. But you will need three of the BMW packs correct? Which should equal the Leaf pack size? But at total 27KWH (9x3), does it work that way?

yes you got it, it will be a bit bigger capacity wise 27.3 kWh vs 24 kWh of the leaf

and that's just Phase I, cause BMW makes a newer pack that is 12 kWh instead of the 9.1 yet it is exactly the same physical size, so in Phase two I plan to upgrade to three of those for a total of 36 kWh so maybe a 125 mile range with that one, we shall see

Gregski 03-27-2022 06:36 AM

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just increased my chances of injury by 400%

making a bell housing block off plate since there will no longer be a Lexus V6 internal combustion engine in front of this hybrid transmission or transmotor as I call it, because there are two electric motors inside of it

Gregski 03-27-2022 06:42 AM

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took a bit of back and forth, and for some odd reason Lexus decided to use two different sizes of bolts on this bell housing, the red circles mark the larger ones which in SAE or American standard sizes equate closer to a 1/2" and the smaller ones are roughly 7/16s

it may take another round of nip and tucking to get the plate to match that weird shape it happens to be

Gregski 03-27-2022 06:55 AM

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next it was time to work on the Ninja star, this is the clutch plate coupler I cut out of the original clutch plate thingie, I will be using it to lock out the input shaft of the transmission, doing so will force the front electric motor to spin the output shaft assisting the second larger electric motor, win win

Gregski 03-27-2022 09:37 AM

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cutting 1/2" aluminum plate a mil at a time using my FREE Craigslist Craftsman Radial 10" saw with a Diablo 84 tooth non stick blade, yeah baby

thrilling I tell yah!

Craftsman Radial Saw cutting aluminum plate

8man 03-27-2022 09:53 AM

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Are you going to convert the space in front of the transmotor into a trunk?

Gregski 03-27-2022 10:15 AM

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Are you going to convert the space in front of the transmotor into a trunk?

ha ha a Frunk? the wife and I joked about that, how I should mount the batteries under the bed and leave the engine bay completely empty and pull up to car shows like that and pop the hood

8man 03-27-2022 10:20 AM

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Put some motor mounts on and the radiator, with torn off hoses like it just jumped out of there somewhere along the way.

Gregski 03-27-2022 10:30 AM

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Put some motor mounts on and the radiator, with torn off hoses like it just jumped out of there somewhere along the way.

that would be hilarious, and stand there all like: "it's the second time this has happened this week, damned LS!"

Mike Bradbury 03-27-2022 07:19 PM

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The two motors in the original vehicle were working in conjunction? Or on and off at different times? LS motors have a fan relay in the Computer that turns the fans on and off as needed if the motor is working harder. Sometimes only one is working while other times both are working. Is the two motor transmission using the second motor as it needs it but in your arraignment locking them together will any computer reprogramming be necessary?

Gregski 03-27-2022 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Bradbury (Post 9057715)
The two motors in the original vehicle were working in conjunction? Or on and off at different times? LS motors have a fan relay in the Computer that turns the fans on and off as needed if the motor is working harder. Sometimes only one is working while other times both are working. Is the two motor transmission using the second motor as it needs it but in your arraignment locking them together will any computer reprogramming be necessary?

no MG1 works as a starter to crank the engine over when staring and then acts as an alternator, there is no traditional starter on the Lexus GS450h, the larger MG2 drives the output shaft, I'll link to an animation gif when I'll get the chance

Mike Bradbury 03-27-2022 10:20 PM

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Wow that is cool, Alternator and starter in one. I have heard that the giant (three story tall) quarry dump trucks use electric motors for breaking.

Gregski 03-28-2022 10:13 AM

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Wow that is cool, Alternator and starter in one. I have heard that the giant (three story tall) quarry dump trucks use electric motors for breaking.

here is the video I promised showing you how the internals work and operate

Lexus Toyota Hybrid Transmission Project 02 : Internals

Gregski 03-28-2022 10:41 AM

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Also, like the jack conversion. Beats getting a buddy and laying on your backs to try and muscle that thing in!!! Did that with a Torqueflight 727 when I was much younger.

I bet, well unfortunately Robert the trans jack adapter sucks big time, it is wrong in so many ways, it is way too tall, and the plate is not long enough (trans falls off of it)

with the truck almost one foot off the ground on blocks, I still could not roll the trans on the jack under it, so here I am literally hoisting up the trans with an engine crane just so I can set it on that stupid jack with the trans adapter on it, PIA PIA major PIA

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8man 03-28-2022 10:43 AM

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I got the HF trans jack, worked ok for the 4L60.

Gregski 03-28-2022 10:45 AM

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I got the HF trans jack, worked ok for the 4L60.

was it this thing?

8man 03-28-2022 10:49 AM

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No, I splurged for the Pittsburgh $200 one. https://www.harborfreight.com/media/...0/60234_W3.jpg

layinrocker65 03-28-2022 09:39 PM

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I always us a motorcycle jack with blocks of wood under the trans. If its not high enough, I add more blocks while under the truck. I usually have to jack up the truck to get the trans slid under too.

10/10 would not recommend for safety reasons. But I still do it.....

Gregski 03-28-2022 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by layinrocker65 (Post 9058280)
I always us a motorcycle jack with blocks of wood under the trans. If its not high enough, I add more blocks while under the truck. I usually have to jack up the truck to get the trans slid under too.

10/10 would not recommend for safety reasons. But I still do it.....

thanks, yeah that's what I did until I sold my bikes and that lift, like a fool

Gregski 03-28-2022 09:46 PM

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so what are the odds one of my existing trans crossmembers will work (couple more on the floor not shown)

Gregski 03-28-2022 09:51 PM

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having eliminated the original crossmember that held the Turbo TH350 transomatic in place in the first place, I moved on to one with some drop, using rubber feets from my stock radiator core support (run what you brong!)

layinrocker65 03-28-2022 09:53 PM

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looks like it was made for it

8man 03-29-2022 09:07 AM

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That fit nice.

I just noticed that the front of the transmission looks like a "fidget". Yeah, keeping grandkids this week....

Gregski 03-29-2022 10:21 PM

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mounting the transmission is by far the biggest job on this project

Gregski 03-29-2022 10:24 PM

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I'm going with these Jeep like AMAZON motor mounts, figuring if they was strong enuff to hold an engine they ought to hold a transmission

now hang on to your comments as this is all just spit ballin' mock up, and that frame's got more twist and turns than you know it

Gregski 03-29-2022 10:27 PM

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so like most I make big plans in my head and then use what I got layin' around the garage

Gregski 03-29-2022 10:29 PM

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and if you've followed any of my prior builds, you know I like to class things up with rounded corners, ha ha

Gregski 03-29-2022 10:30 PM

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one down three to go

slow is the tempo

Gregski 03-29-2022 10:33 PM

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I just trace sum random washer I find laying around

and I do two passes, first one is a ruff cut with a cutoff wheel


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