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glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 11:34 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
I think the 89 crew cabs, the 89-91 Jimmy, and the 89-91 Burbs all have the same grill.

68 TT 09-15-2009 11:34 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3517740)

My 03 Tahoe is a flex fuel rig and I run it when ever I have the chance. With the stock GM tune it loses a little mpg but otherwise you notice no difference. I just wish it was more common around here.

We only have one station within 100 miles of here but fortunately it is only 10 miles from my house. Down side is that it is on the opposite side of town from me and I don't go that direction very often. I thought about just getting a fuel drum and fueling up at home that way I only had to make the trip over there once every couple weeks to refill the drum.

If you could run E85 all the time you could build and tune the engine to take advantage of the 105 octane and really see the benefits of it. I know people running massive amounts of boost on E85 and building some insane power numbers with it.

A friend of mine has a twin turbo 5.0 liter running E85 and the thing runs 144 mph trap speeds in the quarter.

I plan on making my 68 Camaro a dedicated E85 vehicle instead of running race gas when I convert it to EFI.

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 11:41 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Fortunately there are quite a few stations with E85 in town, and along the front range. A station I pass by on the way to and from town that's close to home is about 2 years old, so the E85 pumps have only ever had E85 in the tanks, so I know I will get good fuel there. And the place I always fuel up at has E85 and buried new tanks for it when they added it.

And the price spread is good at the station close to my house. Right now 85 octane is $2.45 and E85 is still $1.88.

About how many MPG's do you lose on E85?

68 TT 09-15-2009 11:51 AM

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Forgot the important part. With the 5.3 you can just pick up a 2001-up flex fuel version for the swap and as long as you install the fuel ratio sensor the converted rig can be flex fuel too.

The injectors are a little bigger and have a different pig tail connector.

On the early ones they used a fuel ratio sensor to tell the PCM how much ethanol was in the fuel mix so you could run any mix of gas & ethanol with no problems.

At some point (I think it was 2005) the newer versions deleted the fuel ratio sensor and it is all done in the PCM. It is probably about the time the reluctor wheel changed tooth count so it probably wouldn't be as simple as running the right injectors and the newer tune.

I will have to check into this to make sure there isn't a single year or application that used the newer tune and the older reluctor wheel tooth count.

68 TT 09-15-2009 12:00 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3519573)
Fortunately there are quite a few stations with E85 in town, and along the front range. A station I pass by on the way to and from town that's close to home is about 2 years old, so the E85 pumps have only ever had E85 in the tanks, so I know I will get good fuel there. And the place I always fuel up at has E85 and buried new tanks for it when they added it.

And the price spread is good at the station close to my house. Right now 85 octane is $2.45 and E85 is still $1.88.

About how many MPG's do you lose on E85?

The Tahoe gets right at 15 on gas and about 13 on E85 running around town.

I ran the numbers and it was pretty much a wash with the lower cost vs. the higher consumption.

I would rather run E85 and give my money to an American farmer rather than some scumbag in another country so E85 is my fuel of choice when I can get it.

rongstad 09-15-2009 02:03 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by 68 TT (Post 3519601)
The Tahoe gets right at 15 on gas and about 13 on E85 running around town. I ran the numbers and it was pretty much a wash with the lower cost vs. the higher consumption. I would rather run E85 and give my money to an American farmer rather than some scumbag in another country so E85 is my fuel of choice when I can get it.

He's about right, I have a 2007 Silverado Classic, I get about 15 with E-85 and 17 with gas on a factory tune. Dont forget about the fact that E-85 is higher octane....so you can really feel it...when you step on it...lol...:lol:

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 02:43 PM

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Big brown truck just brought a little chrome part! Phew, say THAT 5 times fast! :lol: It's the temp gauge sending unit adapter. :metal:

JohnC 09-15-2009 04:22 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Street & Performance is a good place from what I hear. My uncle built a street rod a few years back and it had a motor in it from them. When he got all the wiring done he took it over to them, and they tuned it all and worked everything out. He said it was a very cool place.

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 04:28 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Great guys to talk to, loads of info and are happy to give it out over the phone. But their prices on most of there stuff is insane!

Driveway Dreams 09-15-2009 05:14 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3519565)
I think the 89 crew cabs, the 89-91 Jimmy, and the 89-91 Burbs all have the same grill.

They are all interchangable. You just have to swap the grill center section and the headlight surrounds. I just did the Jimmy grill in my truck & love it. Bob, I think you should come over after you get Fred together and "accidently" trade me trucks. :D Fred is AWESOME!!!

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Driveway Dreams (Post 3520082)
They are all interchangable. You just have to swap the grill center section and the headlight surrounds. I just did the Jimmy grill in my truck & love it. Bob, I think you should come over after you get Fred together and "accidently" trade me trucks. :D Fred is AWESOME!!!

Thanks man! But, how about I give you this instead:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...adlightmod.jpg

JohnC 09-15-2009 06:29 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Your a wealth of information man!

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 09:10 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
LOL, thanks, but I need to redraw it. I came up with an easier way! :lol:

OK, here are some more pics. First is the temp sending unit adapter. It's polished aluminum. And I'm a little nervous. I think I may have overtightened it as it felt like it might have stripped. I would like to think that if something striped out, it would be the adapter and not the head. I guess I'll find out when I get it running.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...c/P1010164.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...c/P1010167.jpg

Then the air filter and the bracket I made last night. You can also see the brass fitting I put together for the steam line.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...P1010168-1.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...c/P1010169.jpg

I went and saw a friend of mine today, and he had a clutch fan for me to use for mock-up. It has a broken blade. But he also thinks he has a good one, so I will swing by his shop on Friday and see if he found it. If so, that will save me some time on Saturday and some $$$ too. I also got the shroud to fit too, I had to cut a little around the air intake, but it all fits real nice, but I need to trim it a little more (where the Sharpie line is). The fan sits just right in the shroud.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...P1010174-1.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...P1010175-1.jpg

joe231 09-15-2009 09:25 PM

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I believe you can accomplish the 4 high lights with a simple diode...hope you don't mind...I modified your drawing, quick and dirty like ;)
Attachment 497025

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 09:37 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Yeppers, that's the easier way! :lol: Except I want to run the diode to the switching/trigger wire on the low beam relay, instead of straight to the lights.

Oh yeah, I don't mind at all! :D

joe231 09-15-2009 09:44 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Oh yeah...that is an even better idea :metal:

nlped 09-15-2009 10:07 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
All 4 of mine are on in High Beam stock ;)

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 10:08 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Hahahaha... did anyone see Jay Leno's monologue on his new show last night?

"The government had a program that gave you cash for your old cars. I made $5 billion dollars!!"

:haha:, love Leno!!

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 10:08 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by nlped (Post 3520630)
All 4 of mine are on in High Beam stock ;)

Mine were too..... then I had to go and change things! :lol:

joe231 09-15-2009 10:36 PM

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glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 10:43 PM

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Oh yeah, now yer talking!! :metal: Thanks!!!

joe231 09-15-2009 11:05 PM

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:thumbs:

I need to do a better one on a white background ;)

nlped 09-15-2009 11:17 PM

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You guys are DORKS :)

joe231 09-15-2009 11:23 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
ain't you got a build thread that needs pics or a camera to find or something ;)

glock35ipsc 09-15-2009 11:38 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Driveway Dreams 09-16-2009 12:08 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Dang that is funny!!!!!
Bob, maybe you can just wire mine all up for me? I hate electrical. We can work that in to our trade of services.

glock35ipsc 09-16-2009 12:13 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by Driveway Dreams (Post 3520961)
Dang that is funny!!!!!
Bob, maybe you can just wire mine all up for me? I hate electrical. We can work that in to our trade of services.

Consider it done!

Driveway Dreams 09-16-2009 12:16 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Nice! :metal:

Driveway Dreams 09-16-2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3520634)
..."The government had a program that gave you cash for your old cars. I made $5 billion dollars!!"

:haha:, love Leno!!

That, by the way, is signature material.

JohnC 09-16-2009 08:45 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
It's coming along nicely Bob. You'll have that done by the meet for sure.

glock35ipsc 09-16-2009 09:04 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
As long as I don't run into any electronic gremlins, I should be good to go!

Oh, and here is the revamped quad light wiring diagram:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...moddiode-1.jpg

Relay terminal 30: 12v from battery
Relay terminal 85: To ground
Relay terminal 86: Signal wire from dimmer switch (low or high beam wire)
Relay terminal 87: To headlights

joe231 09-16-2009 10:41 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
aw, what mine wasn't good enough? :devil:

j/k ;)

68 TT 09-16-2009 11:43 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3520488)
LOL, thanks, but I need to redraw it. I came up with an easier way! :lol:

OK, here are some more pics. First is the temp sending unit adapter. It's polished aluminum. And I'm a little nervous. I think I may have overtightened it as it felt like it might have stripped. I would like to think that if something striped out, it would be the adapter and not the head. I guess I'll find out when I get it running.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...c/P1010164.jpg

If you did strip out the head just tap the hole for a standard pipe thread size like 3/8" or 1/4" to match the sender and thread the sender right into the head.

If there is no room to thread it right in just use one of the common step up adapters that comes with most gauges to get the sender up off the surface and out of the way.

68 TT 09-16-2009 11:47 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3520488)

What application does that upper radiator hose come from?

glock35ipsc 09-16-2009 11:57 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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Originally Posted by joe231
aw, what mine wasn't good enough? :devil:

j/k ;)

Hehe, you should know me better by now!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68 TT
What application does that upper radiator hose come from?

It was the one on the engine when I got it, 2006 Silverado 5.3L 2wd ECSB.

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Originally Posted by 68 TT
If you did strip out the head just tap the hole for a standard pipe thread size like 3/8" or 1/4" to match the sender and thread the sender right into the head.

If there is no room to thread it right in just use one of the common step up adapters that comes with most gauges to get the sender up off the surface and out of the way.

I sat on the couch last night mulling over this, so I finally threw on some shoes and went back out to the shop. I removed the adapter/sending unit, and threaded the OEM plug back in to the head. It tightened firmly to the head, so I am confident it's not the threads in the head now. The adapter is REALLY light, so I'm not so sure it's made from a high grade aluminum. I put a couple extra wraps of teflon tape on the adapter's threads and put it back in. I just snugged it to the head, so I'll just keep an eye on it on I get it running to see if it's leaking. I'd rather buy another/different adapter any day that have to remove the head to repair or tap it.

Lesson learned! This was not one of the things I thought about when doing this swap, the temp gauge sending unit. Next time, I WILL tap the head and install it directly.

PS - yes, there is another LS swap in my future. :D

glock35ipsc 09-16-2009 12:23 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Gas tanks - "OUT FOR DELIVERY"

AN fittings for tranny cooler - "OUT FOR DELIVERY"

:thumbs:

joe231 09-16-2009 01:06 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
:metal:

nlped 09-16-2009 01:38 PM

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:cong:

glock35ipsc 09-16-2009 02:17 PM

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glock35ipsc 09-16-2009 02:42 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Saw this on LS1tech.com, it's in a 69, very similar to the 73-87 in this area. Make me a little nervous. Am I wrong?

http://www.lt1swap.com/pictures/kelly_69_ac2.jpg
http://www.lt1swap.com/pictures/kelly_69_ac1.jpg


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