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coloradosean2009 09-20-2009 11:16 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
I wish I had a couple of helpers like that. I love how the little one moved the step stool out of your way.

I guess having little helpers around can have a downside though; If that was my house, I would have tripped on the stool, busted up my camera and shin, all followed by a 3 minute burst of expletives that would make a sailor blush. While the bad language does not look good, it always makes me feel a little better.

I hope that you are able to figure the throttle control out. I know the Colorado folks are looking forward to seeing Bob at the get together next week. Good luck.

nlped 09-20-2009 01:32 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
So close!!! I hope you get it figured out, and it turns out to be something rather simple. To bad your so far away, 'cause I have a really nice scanner :).

glock35ipsc 09-20-2009 08:27 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
I wish you were too, Ed! I pretty much have narrowed it down to the TAC module.

Well, FRED IS DONE!!!!

Well, other than fixing the throttle and installing the OBD II connector, he is done! My son and I took him for a drive down the driveway this afternoon. Yeah, no throttle, but we idled all the way!! :D

Otherwise, everything is done. Bed is on, both bumpers, grill, hood, interior is all together. I also got the headlight relay mod done to where they are powered directly from the battery, and also all four lights come on in high.

Also had a visitor today. Asphaltburner (Todd) came over, the first board member to see the "new" Fred.

I'm wiped out, so I'll just leave y'all with a few pics.

One of my little helpers. She got to button up the splash guards and filler necks.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...c/P1010172.jpg

Two bright eyes:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...P1010173-1.jpg

Four BRIGHT eyes!!

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...P1010174-3.jpg

All happy again. I'm afraid I'm liking the Chevy grill too much to put a GMC grill in, but there are too many GMC items to change, so it'll stay a GMC. For now......

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...P1010175-2.jpg

I LOVE this shot!!

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...P1010178-1.jpg

lolife99 09-20-2009 08:58 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Looks Good!
Everything you did was top notch!
When you catch your breath,... I'd be interested in purcha$ing a step by step install guide from you.
Make plenty of copies,... I'm not the only one.
Congrats, again.

menace121978 09-20-2009 09:18 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Fred looks awesome with that front end! nice job man. i had to watch that video again too.

joe231 09-20-2009 09:49 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
dude you flat busted ass on this thing...i'm super impressed :thumbs:

:cong: for making such a killer truck!!

tell the kids...the next LS swap, they have to do it, you can just over-see the work as the shop foreman ;)

glock35ipsc 09-20-2009 10:16 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lolife99 (Post 3528998)
Looks Good!
Everything you did was top notch!
When you catch your breath,... I'd be interested in purcha$ing a step by step install guide from you.
Make plenty of copies,... I'm not the only one.
Congrats, again.

Thanks a lot man!! I'll probably be taking my time writing it up. I've been thinking of breaking it down in to sections; electrical, exhaust, fuel system, mounts, trans, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by menace121978 (Post 3529051)
Fred looks awesome with that front end! nice job man. i had to watch that video again too.

It's too bad there are so many GMC tags on him, because I really like the Chevy grill too! And I'll admit, I've watched it a bunch of times too! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe231 (Post 3529118)
dude you flat busted ass on this thing...i'm super impressed :thumbs:

:cong: for making such a killer truck!!

tell the kids...the next LS swap, they have to do it, you can just over-see the work as the shop foreman ;)

Thanks Joe!!! Just under one month total, I'm pretty surprised myself. And I don't think my son would mind that at all!

mcbassin 09-20-2009 11:20 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 68 TT (Post 3525312)
I was a machinist in the Air Force for 13 years and worked at the flight test center repairing and building test aircraft parts & equipment and have made & redesigned many things like that over the years. There are a couple minor things you may want to fix if you are going to make a new one.

Where the small metric male threads transition to the hex stock put a 1/4" fillet radius there. It will increase the strength of the part tremendously.

It doesn't need to be that long either. Less length will put less load on the threads if you accidentally lean against it while working on the truck. It would suck to snap that thing off flush with the head. The closer you can get the sensor to the head the better.

If you can make it out of brass or aluminum bronze that would be much better too.

The stainless will need antisieze compound on it to keep from galling the threads and getting stuck in the head plus the galvanic corrosion from the dissimilar metals will cause the aluminum head to oxidize around the fitting possibly causing it to leak down the road.

Aluminum bronze or brass will only need Teflon tape as they are much closer to aluminum in the dissimilar metals range chart.

You could make it out of round stock and just put a set of wrenching flats on it to use more common scrap material.

I really don't think we can put a .25 radius in the corner. If I'm not mistaken the seal is made on the face of the metric end. Also, I think the length needs to be pretty close to what he purchased because the length of the original sender has to fit inside. I like the idea of using brass. I had thought about the dissimilarity of the metals too. It may cause corrosion in the future.



Bob,
Great progress! You have that puppy just about ready to roll! congrats I know you have some serious time invested.

nlped 09-21-2009 06:28 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Congratulations!!!

silvereagle07 09-21-2009 07:44 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Congradulations! It looks and sounds great. I like the updated front end too.

JohnC 09-21-2009 09:40 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
:cong: Man it looks, and sounds amazing. I love the chevy grill, and truth be told I bet many people won't catch that it has a bowtie on the grill, and GMC everywhere else. :thumbs: to you and your helpers man. :metal::metal::metal:

glock35ipsc 09-21-2009 09:53 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Thanks John!!

I just called a yard in Loveland, and they have a throttle module! So I am heading there right after work to get it. HOPEFULLY that is the problem!

JohnC 09-21-2009 10:20 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Fingers crossed man! :metal:

glock35ipsc 09-21-2009 10:31 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
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I like this! Regular GMC grill with a 4mm billet insert.

menace121978 09-21-2009 10:38 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
X2 on the fingers crossed!

^^^^ thats the same grille i put on my '85 blaze... i loved it!! looks cleaner and meaner than the chevy grille. i think you have found the winner!!

JohnC 09-21-2009 10:40 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
That looks good, but to me it's just hard to beat the Chevrolet version. Just my .02

glock35ipsc 09-21-2009 01:12 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
I gotta agree with ya John, but I don't really want to change all the GMC badging over to Chebby right now. $$$$! :lol: I am still thinking I will do it when it is time to paint him though. I'll probably just run a driver quality GMC grill for now.

On another note, my wonderful wife is on her way to Loveland and pick up the module for me. :D And I have just enough left to run to Autozone on the way home and get a fairly decent code reader.

menace121978 09-21-2009 01:15 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
:metal:

Oilbrnr 09-21-2009 01:52 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Wow, I'm glad I stumbled on this build thread! I've had a 2007 4.8l sitting in my garage now for about a year that I want to put in my K5. Now that things are cooling down in my shop, I think the time has come. Not to mention the fact that the Goodwrench 350 is drinking a quart of oil every fillup. ;)

One of my challenges will be flywheel/clutch combo to work with a SM465.

Great work and good info! Anxiously awaiting the write-up with part #'s etc!!! :metal:

nlped 09-21-2009 04:52 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3529798)
I like this! Regular GMC grill with a 4mm billet insert.

I like that Grille!!! That's what I plan to do to "Bob"

glock35ipsc 09-21-2009 09:17 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Grrrrr, TAC module didn't fix it. It's also giving me 2 codes for the sensor on the pedal. If I get really lucky, the refund from the fuel hose I sent back will be in my account in the morning and I can get one ordered from Rock Auto.

:banghead:

rongstad 09-22-2009 08:49 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3530142)
I gotta agree with ya John, but I don't really want to change all the GMC badging over to Chebby right now. $$$$! :lol: I am still thinking I will do it when it is time to paint him though.

Are you sticking to the same color?

glock35ipsc 09-22-2009 09:27 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Kind of. It will still be red-ish, but I'm thinking it will be darker. Maybe much darker. Maybe darker to the point that it almost matches the carmine red interior. :D

Well, the news is so-so this morning. The refund did indeed show up n my checking account this morning, so I have the APP sensor on order from Rock Auto already via 2nd day express.

However, when I ran in to the shop this morning to grab my glasses off the tool box, there was a small puddle of antifreeze under the area of the right rear cylinder head. I think the S&P adapter is leaking. Didn't have time to check, but I'll bet that's it.

So, I'll wait for the APP sensor to get here on Thursday and give that a try. I was careful to remove it from the pedal before I started cutting and welding on it so I wouldn't damage it, but I guess it was either damaged before or...... eh, who knows.

Oh, I was also getting codes for the rear O2 sensor heater circuits, so I might have to send my PCM back to make sure they removed the rear O2 programming.

JohnC 09-22-2009 11:34 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Hope that's all the snags. Keep us updated.

menace121978 09-22-2009 11:55 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
bummer to hear the adaptor is leaking and the sensor trouble Bob. you'll get it!! and good luck!!

btw, darker red sounds sweet... i'm planning on a beautiful color called red jewel found on the tbss's. you should check it out. there's so many different shades of red out there... the new metallic red on the titans is amazing too.

68 TT 09-22-2009 12:23 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3530142)
I gotta agree with ya John, but I don't really want to change all the GMC badging over to Chebby right now. $$$$! :lol: I am still thinking I will do it when it is time to paint him though. I'll probably just run a driver quality GMC grill for now.

On another note, my wonderful wife is on her way to Loveland and pick up the module for me. :D And I have just enough left to run to Autozone on the way home and get a fairly decent code reader.

With a connection cable and a converter box with your laptop you can read and reset the codes with some free software. I did it with my 03 Tahoe and it helped me diagnose an intake leak.

http://www.scantool.net/obdlink-ci.html

Costs $65 plus shipping.

Driveway Dreams 09-22-2009 03:03 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3529798)
I like this! Regular GMC grill with a 4mm billet insert.

Bob, that is the set up I want to run on mine too, just need $$. We need to take some pictures of Fred and The Toybox together. Maybe I will just come out one of these days and give you a hand with anything needed. Good work so far man!

glock35ipsc 09-22-2009 04:17 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by menace121978 (Post 3531887)
bummer to hear the adaptor is leaking and the sensor trouble Bob. you'll get it!! and good luck!!

btw, darker red sounds sweet... i'm planning on a beautiful color called red jewel found on the tbss's. you should check it out. there's so many different shades of red out there... the new metallic red on the titans is amazing too.

I got an email from mcbassin today that he has already shipped out the new replacement temp sensor adapter!! :metal: That guy rocks! Yeah, sooooo many reds to choose from!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68 TT (Post 3531918)
With a connection cable and a converter box with your laptop you can read and reset the codes with some free software. I did it with my 03 Tahoe and it helped me diagnose an intake leak.

http://www.scantool.net/obdlink-ci.html

Costs $65 plus shipping.

Plus $500 for a laptop, makes my scanner much cheaper! :lol: My laptop died a long time ago. :mad:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driveway Dreams (Post 3532172)
Bob, that is the set up I want to run on mine too, just need $$. We need to take some pictures of Fred and The Toybox together. Maybe I will just come out one of these days and give you a hand with anything needed. Good work so far man!

I've got some great spots for pics! Come out anytime!

BTW, this is the scanner I got. It's nothing like my old Snap-on MT2500, but it'll work for my needs. Plus I can just leave it behind the seat.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KJNHK0m7L.jpg

Palf70Step 09-22-2009 05:40 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Mine is in the drawer, but I think I have the exact same model scanner/code reader. It works on all the vehicles I have except the 70 ( I wonder why ;) ). It has been very useful, even to tell the Kia dealer things about the wife's car before it goes into service.

joe231 09-22-2009 05:59 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
what did that scanner cost ya?

glock35ipsc 09-22-2009 06:03 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
$179 and change

68 TT 09-23-2009 11:23 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mcbassin (Post 3529299)
I really don't think we can put a .25 radius in the corner. If I'm not mistaken the seal is made on the face of the metric end. Also, I think the length needs to be pretty close to what he purchased because the length of the original sender has to fit inside. I like the idea of using brass. I had thought about the dissimilarity of the metals too. It may cause corrosion in the future.



Bob,
Great progress! You have that puppy just about ready to roll! congrats I know you have some serious time invested.

It sounds like it is an O-ring type fitting then if it seals to the face of the adapter. Maybe the O-ring is missing and this is why the adapter is leaking now.

It sounds more and more like tapping the head out to 3/8-NPT is the best way to go.

The tap drill for 1/4-NPT is very close to the size of the 12 mm threads so it could even be tapped for the smaller senders too if needed. My Auto Meter temp gauge uses an 1/8-NPT sender.

glock35ipsc 09-23-2009 11:27 AM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
No o-ring, just a flat brass or bronze washer.

menace121978 09-23-2009 12:56 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
man... i'm dieing here!!! cant that sensor get here any faster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if i feel like this i can only imagine what your going through buddy. 1 more day....

glock35ipsc 09-23-2009 01:07 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
LOL, I closed the hood, rolled up the windows, locked the doors and took the keys in the house. I'll have to put in some extra effort to go do something to it!! :lol: Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow........

Now I'm on the hunt for an 88-98 rear end. I did find one locally at a yard for $275.

68 TT 09-23-2009 01:11 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Palf70Step (Post 3532390)
Mine is in the drawer, but I think I have the exact same model scanner/code reader. It works on all the vehicles I have except the 70 ( I wonder why ;) ). It has been very useful, even to tell the Kia dealer things about the wife's car before it goes into service.

I did the same thing with the Tahoe. I was able to read and identify the error codes and look at all the data and see that the long term fuel trim was off and that the vacuum was low. It told me that the engine had a major vacuum leak, most likely an intake gasket.

I was able to tell the Chevy dealer what was wrong right up front.

menace121978 09-23-2009 01:15 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by glock35ipsc (Post 3533770)
LOL, I closed the hood, rolled up the windows, locked the doors and took the keys in the house. I'll have to put in some extra effort to go do something to it!! :lol: Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow........

Now I'm on the hunt for an 88-98 rear end. I did find one locally at a yard for $275.

:lol:

that sounds like a lot i guess depending whats in it. miles, gears, posi!?... are the pretty sought after rear ends? my minds spinning now since i went the cheapo route w/ mine and just threw a set of spider gears in it... i know its width is more than our stock one. hmmmmm.... Amy already wants to kill you since i told her i'm hunting for a 6.0 that will cost just a little more than the 5.3.LOL

glock35ipsc 09-23-2009 01:44 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
I am guilty of nothing......

:exit:

glock35ipsc 09-23-2009 01:45 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
Average price on car-part.com is upwards of $400-$500 for one of those rears.

flamingbig10 09-23-2009 02:02 PM

Re: Glock's new project: "Fred"
 
looks good Bob


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