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Steeveedee 03-21-2022 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by denverslim (Post 9054759)
My '66 C-20 is pretty original. I bought it from the original owner. He thought it was too white when he got it from the dealer so he had the dealer paint the trim insets red.
I have repainted the boards in the bed and replaced the split rims with later model wheels. Other than that she's an original. Keith

Red makes it go faster. ;) That is one nice looking truck!

EdWeeds 03-22-2022 03:50 PM

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I am new to this forum as I just purchased a "bone stock" 66 C10 SWB Step side. Somewhat rare MT 327. Seller/dealer said that a restoration was done in 2019, which appears to have been primarily cosmetic, repainting the frame and body (in original color) etc. Not sure where the fender badges are, maybe aftermarket replacement fenders. Original wiring has given me fits chasing down shorts and bad grounds. Other than a complete tune up and running some dedicated grounds I am probably going to leave it as is. Maybe power steering as tight turns are an effort.

60-66 03-22-2022 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1971 GMC SHORTY (Post 9054467)
Wonder Why it Has Rivets on Vin Tag?

I cant focus, either on my computer or phone well enough to tell if thats actually a rivet or the factory spot welded tag . Wish we could get a closer look. If thats what your seeing , fine but when these were welded , sometimes it left a bigger impression in the tag. That GMC script on the tag cant be reproduced . Ive tried . One of my tags was severely damaged so I just straightened it the best I could


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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9054691)
Rivets are also used in this super low mileage '62 GMC. Probably same assembly plant, my guess Pontiac, Michigan.

1960-1962 GMC yes , round rivets . 1963-1964 was spot welded on GMC. 1964 they discovered these tags were falling off do to water getting behind them and freezing popping them off. This was mainly on cars of the era, not so much trucks. Then later they started using either rivets in 65 and some a combination has been found of one round and one Rosette .They went to all rosette rivets completely in 1966 . This is GMC only . Chevys were spot welded 60-64 , 65 round and rosette, 66 all rosette . This does have the P in the vin for Pontiac.

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My understanding is that rosettes were used then, and these appear to be pop rivets. I wouldn't touch that truck with a 10 foot pole without seriously good documentation.

Rosette was not used till 1965-1966

60-66 03-22-2022 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by oem4me (Post 9054287)
Looks like it's worthy of a closer inspection. Suspiciously clean wheels and other concerns, like remnants of green paint on bedwood, when claimed "has had no paintwork".

That paint in the bed , doesn't make sense ? Why is it not on the inner fenders ? Pontiac didn't paint the wood body color . I agree on the wheels , they definitely look redone and hubcaps look very nice .

Steeveedee 03-22-2022 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 60-66 (Post 9055166)
I cant focus, either on my computer or phone well enough to tell if thats actually a rivet or the factory spot welded tag . Wish we could get a closer look. If thats what your seeing , fine but when these were welded , sometimes it left a bigger impression in the tag. That GMC script on the tag cant be reproduced . Ive tried . One of my tags was severely damaged so I just straightened it the best I could




1960-1962 GMC yes , round rivets . 1963-1964 was spot welded on GMC. 1964 they discovered these tags were falling off do to water getting behind them and freezing popping them off. This was mainly on cars of the era, not so much trucks. Then later they started using either rivets in 65 and some a combination has been found of one round and one Rosette .They went to all rosette rivets completely in 1966 . This is GMC only . Chevys were spot welded 60-64 , 65 round and rosette, 66 all rosette . This does have the P in the vin for Pontiac.



Rosette was not used till 1965-1966

Huh, I learned something today! Thanks!

The Rocknrod 03-22-2022 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EdWeeds (Post 9055129)
I am new to this forum as I just purchased a "bone stock" 66 C10 SWB Step side. Somewhat rare MT 327. Seller/dealer said that a restoration was done in 2019, which appears to have been primarily cosmetic, repainting the frame and body (in original color) etc. Not sure where the fender badges are, maybe aftermarket replacement fenders. Original wiring has given me fits chasing down shorts and bad grounds. Other than a complete tune up and running some dedicated grounds I am probably going to leave it as is. Maybe power steering as tight turns are an effort.

Hey that's a clean truck right there. And welcome to the forum. :)

cwcarpenter98 03-22-2022 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EdWeeds (Post 9055129)
I am new to this forum as I just purchased a "bone stock" 66 C10 SWB Step side. Somewhat rare MT 327. Seller/dealer said that a restoration was done in 2019, which appears to have been primarily cosmetic, repainting the frame and body (in original color) etc. Not sure where the fender badges are, maybe aftermarket replacement fenders. Original wiring has given me fits chasing down shorts and bad grounds. Other than a complete tune up and running some dedicated grounds I am probably going to leave it as is. Maybe power steering as tight turns are an effort.

That's a nice truck you got. Welcome!
Looks like either the fenders were replaced so the correct holes weren't there for the badges or the previous owner decided to close up the holes and leave the badges off. You can purchase an original set or aftermarket reproductions of the fender badges, add 4 holes, and you'll have the correct badges back on in a jiffy.

EdWeeds 03-22-2022 07:58 PM

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Could not find any body work on the inside of the fenders, so probably aftermarket. I have ordered the emblems from CJ Pony Parts. Thanks

60-66 03-23-2022 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oem4me (Post 9054287)
Looks like it's worthy of a closer inspection. Suspiciously clean wheels and other concerns, like remnants of green paint on bedwood, when claimed "has had no paintwork".

Just got off the phone with the owner of this 1963 GMC. Lots of history and an interesting story. Owner put this in his garage and locked it up , like he mentioned , but the guy painted his house the same color as the truck !

Yes current owner put the chrome mirror on ,he has the original . He powder coated the rims and new radial tires. Other than that the truck is original paint. Bed wood , as near as we can figure the original owner brush painted the green paint on the wood , possibly sprayed ? Hard to tell. But the bolts all around the perimeter are still plated like they should be on a Pontiac Michigan built GMC.

Current owner in California also lives in Wisconsin in the summers and is only 45 minutes from me .

VIN TAG is spot welded , he double checked that for me .

yote1234 03-23-2022 12:16 PM

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60-66... i thank you for your reply! i learn a lot from you and this site, you are a warehouse of information and again i thank you sir.

60-66 03-23-2022 12:21 PM

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Hopefully these pictures post, he just sent them

sscooter 03-23-2022 12:24 PM

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Here's a pic of my '66. Original paint (what's left of it) Texas farm truck.

Minus the lowering springs and steelies, it's pretty much as it left the factory. 230, column shift truck. Runs like a sewing machine, but smokes like a 2 stroke (valve seals? rings?)

It's probably getting a heart transplant this year....

factorystock 03-23-2022 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 60-66 (Post 9055552)
Hopefully these pictures post, he just sent them

Thanks 60-66 for posting those "true barn find" photos. Reminds me of your red '66 GMC when you first got it. Owner took a few liberties to spruce it up, but, IMO, looks better with black wall tires and painted mirrors.

60-66 03-24-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by yote1234 (Post 9055550)
60-66... i thank you for your reply! i learn a lot from you and this site, you are a warehouse of information and again i thank you sir.

Um , gosh , um .... I dont know what to say .:lol: . Thank you very much for the kind words .

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9055778)
Thanks 60-66 for posting those "true barn find" photos. Reminds me of your red '66 GMC when you first got it. Owner took a few liberties to spruce it up, but, IMO, looks better with black wall tires and painted mirrors.

100% agree on the whitewalls , I think if I ever found that perfect 1960-1962 Custom , I know I could never put the wide whites on one . That and trim rings on the wheels do absolutely nothing for me .

On another note , owner of this 63 sent a close up of the VIN last night, 100% the way it left the factory with the spot welds .

60-66 03-24-2022 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by yote1234 (Post 9055550)
60-66... i thank you for your reply! i learn a lot from you and this site, you are a warehouse of information and again i thank you sir.

Um , gosh , um .... I dont know what to say .:lol: . Thank you very much for the kind words .

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9055778)
Thanks 60-66 for posting those "true barn find" photos. Reminds me of your red '66 GMC when you first got it. Owner took a few liberties to spruce it up, but, IMO, looks better with black wall tires and painted mirrors.

100% agree on the whitewalls , I think if I ever found that perfect 1960-1962 Custom , I know I could never put the wide whites on one . That and trim rings on the wheels do absolutely nothing for me . The chrome mirror and arm just cheapens the entire look .

On another note , owner of this 63 sent a close up of the VIN last night, 100% the way it left the factory with the spot welds .

sodly 03-25-2022 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9054705)
Thanks for posting Sodly, excellent addition to this thread.

It got me fired up! Right in your back yard there, Bruce! Wonder if he'll get anywhere near his asking price. Pretty crazy.

factorystock 03-25-2022 07:15 PM

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I hope they took their time cleaning and polishing, would hate to see unecessary burn marks from a buffer. There is no better original paint reviver than you Sodly!

sodly 03-25-2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9056858)
I hope they took their time cleaning and polishing, would hate to see unecessary burn marks from a buffer. There is no better original paint reviver than you Sodly!

Ha ha! Yes, lot of elbow grease! Guess that's why I have such enormous elbows, lol.

factorystock 03-26-2022 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 60-66 (Post 9055172)
That paint in the bed Pontiac didn't paint the wood body color.

Question about the ivory white paint process on outside of bed. Did GMC take a completely white bed panel and repaint the bottom section body color or was the body panel all one color and white was added to the top? Or in other words, is the top section 100% white and the bottom section 100% body color?

60-66 03-27-2022 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9057071)
Question about the ivory white paint process on outside of bed. Did GMC take a completely white bed panel and repaint the bottom section body color or was the body panel all one color and white was added to the top? Or in other words, is the top section 100% white and the bottom section 100% body color?

From what I can tell by looking at faded trucks and some my own , the top section of white on the bed was painted first . Not the entire panel . Then was masked and painted main color. Chevy cab two tones were done the same way. It wasnt the entire cab , just enough below the line to get the job done.

60-66 03-27-2022 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sodly (Post 9056763)
It got me fired up! Right in your back yard there, Bruce! Wonder if he'll get anywhere near his asking price. Pretty crazy.

well it made it to 20 K ish , but in talking to the owner , hes looking for 39K or close . I doubt he will talk to me again though :lol: as I offered 25K after the auction and it seemed , well , Ill just say he wasn't happy :lol:

sscooter 03-27-2022 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9057071)
Question about the ivory white paint process on outside of bed. Did GMC take a completely white bed panel and repaint the bottom section body color or was the body panel all one color and white was added to the top? Or in other words, is the top section 100% white and the bottom section 100% body color?


This should help to answer the above question.

This is my old (original paint) '65 GMC. Now belongs to a good friend.

If you look at how thin the green paint is on the bedside, you can see that it is definitely painted white beneath.

factorystock 03-27-2022 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sscooter (Post 9057544)

If you look at how thin the green paint is on the bedside, you can see that it is definitely painted white beneath.

Thanks for posting photos sscooter, that's what I was thinking. Tu tones were pretty common on Custom's, so they probably had a lot of exterior bed panels already painted white and ready to go whenever a tu tone truck needed it.

factorystock 03-27-2022 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 60-66 (Post 9057535)
I offered 25K after the auction and it seemed , well , Ill just say he wasn't happy :lol:

IMO, 25K would be right in the ball park and playing it safe. I put the original '63 cost ( approx $2600? ) into the CPI and it came out around 24K. If it was loaded with the options your red '66 has, 30K+.

60-66 04-01-2022 09:45 AM

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Heres another Barn find GMC . This showed up on Facebook a year or so ago. I was in contact with the New owner but lost track of the conversation and do not have interior pictures . 9199 original miles . Stripe was added , Canadian built GMC . New owner kept talking about painting this and that to make it look new again , I did my best to try and get him to leave it alone , but ?

60-66 04-01-2022 09:47 AM

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After a wash

60-66 04-01-2022 09:49 AM

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Thats all I have on it

oem4me 04-01-2022 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9057776)
IMO, 25K would be right in the ball park and playing it safe. I put the original '63 cost ( approx $2600? ) into the CPI and it came out around 24K. If it was loaded with the options your red '66 has, 30K+.

I'll politely disagree. The 63 money may equal 24K today with inflation, but one cant just go pick up a brand new 1963 truck from their local dealer anymore. All orig, low mile survivors are increasingly rare these days. Calculating the value of rarity isn't so simple.
For instance, if you were to plug in the original cost of a pack of baseball cards from back in the day, inflation would show a value of just a few dollars in todays money. Tell that to those that are currently paying millions for a single rare card, gum not included. Lol!

factorystock 04-01-2022 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by oem4me (Post 9060044)
I'll politely disagree. The 63 money may equal 24K today with inflation, but one cant just go pick up a brand new 1963 truck from their local dealer anymore. All orig, low mile survivors are increasingly rare these days. Calculating the value of rarity isn't so simple.
For instance, if you were to plug in the original cost of a pack of baseball cards from back in the day, inflation would show a value of just a few dollars in todays money. Tell that to those that are currently paying millions for a single rare card, gum not included. Lol!

Your right oem4me, the CPI is about price of a generic gallon of milk or a generic hammer. A piece of Americana that is rare and desirable is a whole different ballgame. I'm old school, don't like paying collector car prices, still thinking it's used vehicle in outstanding condition price.

factorystock 04-01-2022 07:51 PM

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Heres another Barn find GMC .

Wow, thanks for posting another incredible find, 60-66. I agree, leave it alone, or try to figure out how to remove white stripe without damaging paint underneath. Canadian GMC's were basically Chevy's, even the engine is painted Chevy Blue instead of GMC red. Rims are painted black like Chevys also, but prefer the white painted rims found on American GMC's. A Canadian ad from '66. Red truck is a '64 or '65? ASFIK, almost impossible to detect a base model '64 GMC from a base model '65 GMC.

60-66 04-03-2022 10:04 AM

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I'll politely disagree. The 63 money may equal 24K today with inflation, but one cant just go pick up a brand new 1963 truck from their local dealer anymore. All orig, low mile survivors are increasingly rare these days. !

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 9060070)
Your right oem4me, the CPI is about price of a generic gallon of milk or a generic hammer. A piece of Americana that is rare and desirable is a whole different ballgame. I'm old school, don't like paying collector car prices, still thinking it's used vehicle in outstanding condition price.

So , what do you guys think its really worth ? The 63 GMC ? I've been looking to buy a truck and haven't added anything in two years worth mentioning. I respect and am not complaining about current markets , but I think I'm out of touch anymore for pricing .

oem4me 04-03-2022 11:30 AM

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So , what do you guys think its really worth ? The 63 GMC ? I've been looking to buy a truck and haven't added anything in two years worth mentioning. I respect and am not complaining about current markets , but I think I'm out of touch anymore for pricing .

My comments were meant to convey that supply/demand and competition determines value on things like this, not some index on how todays dollar compares to yesterday's when buying common goods.
As far as this truck or any other collector car goes, the old saying that "it's only worth what someone will pay" is true. It's hard to say why the bidding on the GMC didn't go higher, but that week it didn't attract all the right buyers, I guess. It takes more than one to drive an auction.
I'm more out of the loop than you Jon, so I certainly can't give you an answer on what you should pay. If the seller is holding out on you for more money, and you eventually crack and pay enough to buy it, well, there's your answer.
Lotsa help, I am. Lol.

factorystock 04-03-2022 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by oem4me (Post 9060764)
As far as this truck or any other collector car goes, the old saying that "it's only worth what someone will pay" is true. It's hard to say why the bidding on the GMC didn't go higher, but that week it didn't attract all the right buyers, I guess. It takes more than one to drive an auction.

True, I believe vehicles like this are going to end up with a high roller at Barret Jackson or Mechum auction

sodly 04-03-2022 03:44 PM

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So , what do you guys think its really worth ? The 63 GMC ? I've been looking to buy a truck and haven't added anything in two years worth mentioning. I respect and am not complaining about current markets , but I think I'm out of touch anymore for pricing .

I'm with you Jon (and Bruce). I don't feel the CPI is a good comparison. I also find it funny that someone got offended at a realistic offer from someone who would know, perhaps better than anyone, what trucks like this are worth. Jon's got the receipts, lol. I thought he was awful proud of that turquoise GMC. More power to him, I guess. Not saying someone won't ever pay $50k for it but.... as much as I would love to believe trucks like that are worth $40-$50k I think $20-$25 is much more realistic... and about where it ultimately landed on Ebay. But like you said, it only takes two to make an amazing price happen once. All I know is one of the two won't be me, lol.

60-66 04-04-2022 09:57 AM

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I understood your comparison Bruce and completely agree .

As for Barret or Mecum Factorystock , I've watched a lot of survivors not bring anywhere near what this guy wants on the 63. Right now the trend is LS builds for the money at auctions it seems .

Sodly , Ill never be talking to that asshat after he replied to me the way he did. I threw out an offer , fully expecting a lower counter offer than his 39K . All I received were insults . Maybe he was having a bad Monday morning , but his comments back to me were unexceptible .

theastronaut 04-04-2022 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 60-66 (Post 9061182)
As for Barret or Mecum Factorystock , I've watched a lot of survivors not bring anywhere near what this guy wants on the 63. Right now the trend is LS builds for the money at auctions it seems .


It's not an original truck but the plain jane longbed '65 I restored is a fairly stock restoration. It was bid to $28,900 on Bring A Trailer about a month ago. The owners were thinking about listing it on eBay but after seeing the '63 GMC only reach $20k it's probably not worth the hassle of listing it. Kinda sad that there are so few people willing to pay for stock or well preserved original trucks, everyone wants efi, power steering, and disc brakes or they're not interested.

5Tractorguy 04-04-2022 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by theastronaut (Post 9061267)
Kinda sad that there are so few people willing to pay for stock or well preserved original trucks, everyone wants efi, power steering, and disc brakes or they're not interested.

.....And here I am looking for another stock 60-66 K20 to daily drive and work/use on a regular basis. Tough finding decent stock trucks now, even in the 73-87 world where I'm usually looking.

chevy barn 04-04-2022 10:44 PM

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I bought this grain truck a couple of years ago from southern Saskatchewan with 34k miles . All original right down to the tires , spark plugs wires , even the T3 head lights .The farmer said I was 3th in line to look at it he was asking $4500 , my chances didn't look good . I phoned back the next morning and offered him $5000, he was happy and I was really happy when he said ok . I put new tires rear wheel cylinders and a muffler on it . Many hours to cut polish and clean it up . I'ts not a pick up but I put more miles on it then my burb . Love it with no regrets i'ts all what the person likes

oem4me 04-04-2022 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chevy barn (Post 9061592)
I bought this grain truck a couple of years ago from southern Saskatchewan with 34k miles . All original right down to the tires , spark plugs wires , even the T3 head lights .The farmer said I was 3th in line to look at it he was asking $4500 , my chances didn't look good . I phoned back the next morning and offered him $5000, he was happy and I was really happy when he said ok . I put new tires rear wheel cylinders and a muffler on it . Many hours to cut polish and clean it up . I'ts not a pick up but I put more miles on it then my burb . Love it with no regrets i'ts all what the person likes

Love it! Really nice! Had to look back to see if it had made it to this thread once before. Check out post #621. I thought for sure it was the same one. Anyway, congrats!

factorystock 04-05-2022 05:27 PM

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Nice find! Can't beat those grain trucks, they are truely time capsules once buffed out! Too bad farmers didn't use pickups the same way.


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