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JNJchev77 01-25-2013 01:28 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Mike, something to think about with the LS1/LS6 intake. You will lose some torque with these intakes, as compared to the "truck" intake. The HP numbers are pretty even when comparing the two (Truck & LS Vette), until about 5500 RPM or so, then the HP numbers fall off the truck intakes.

I don't know the exact numbers, but if you're going to be doing some towing, you may want to look into that a bit, plus the blazer, I'm assuming, is a little heavier than a truck.

jkeating1 01-25-2013 01:48 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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Originally Posted by 67cheby (Post 5840094)
hmmmmm..i like that , maybe a drain pan with a hose going outside !

Gives a whole new meaning to 'Slosh Tub'

thor 01-25-2013 01:49 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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Originally Posted by thor (Post 5832775)


Quote:

Originally Posted by 67cheby (Post 5842022)
for you guys that know alot more about the ls stuff then me, i want to run one of the corvette or camaro intakes that set down lower and look alot cleaner , is there anything in particular i need to look for when trying to find one ?

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Originally Posted by jnjchev77 (Post 5842334)
mike, something to think about with the ls1/ls6 intake. You will lose some torque with these intakes, as compared to the "truck" intake. The hp numbers are pretty even when comparing the two (truck & ls vette), until about 5500 rpm or so, then the hp numbers fall off the truck intakes.

I don't know the exact numbers, but if you're going to be doing some towing, you may want to look into that a bit, plus the blazer, i'm assuming, is a little heavier than a truck.

FAST intake will provide low end torque that the truck intakes are famous for and deliver that top end HP too. Check it out. Kinda spendy though!

jkeating1 01-25-2013 02:02 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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Originally Posted by 67cheby (Post 5842022)
For you guys that know alot more about the LS stuff then me, i want to run one of the corvette or camaro intakes that set down lower and look alot cleaner , is there anything in particular i need to look for when trying to find one ?

a buck and a quarter seems to be the market:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/3556232473.html

DrppdBlazr 01-25-2013 02:30 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
^^^ nice deal for sure...

Hey Mike..not sure if you measured this at all when the tank and axle were still in but what was the space like between the axle and front of the gas tank? Is there any room in there at all? Any idea of how many inches it is, In other words do you know if a bag would fit behind axle and infront of gas tank...its hard to get under mine right now to tell. Thanks for any help

watahyahknow 01-25-2013 06:14 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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Originally Posted by thor (Post 5842377)
FAST intake will provide low end torque that the truck intakes are famous for and deliver that top end HP too. Check it out. Kinda spendy though!

i agree i was looking at the prices of one of those intakes and it was pretty steep it might be that there stand alone cpu was included in the set i looked at though

another option might be turbocharging or fitting a centrifugal supercharger to a otherwize stock motor , it would give a great wow factor to the motor too
compared to the prices of the fast setup it doesnt cost a lot more extra
the supercharger will give a ton of power down low , it will pull the towhitch right of the trailer , you are going to need a little bigger radiator though to keep everything cool enough to operate under boost for a longer time at highway speeds pulling cloud 9 , at low boost putting in 1 extra injector operating by a boostswitch mounting a stronger fuelpump and putting in a boostreverenced fuelpressurevalve should be enough to keep the fuelratio in the green
i seen a lot of turbo stuff using the lq and ls type motors they seem to be able to handle boost verry whell

black_sheep454 01-25-2013 08:27 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Ls1 intakes are cheaper than the ls6 intakes. Ls6 intakes make a little more power, but more importantly they don't have a large hole in the top of them for an egr valve like the ls1's do. You can block it of with a freeze plug but it doesn't look as good. Last time I checked it was pretty easy to find a ls6 intake for around $300-$350 but it's been a while since I've looked.
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YoungBurb88 01-26-2013 08:14 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Just call me "Johnny-Come-Lately", page 30 and I'm just now getting in on it and subscribed. Better late than never right?? lol

Admittedly I am quite the newby, however, I did notice that this is a lot of talk about intakes going on and something you may want to consider in the decision is the heads. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the ports on the LS- truck heads are a "Cathedral Port" design. If you're using the stock heads on an LS truck engine they may be different from the port design on the intakes built for the cars (Corvette/Camaro). I don't know how different the Cathedral port design is from the oval or square port, but you definitely want them to match.... again just a newby, but the thought crossed my mind anyhow.

N2TRUX 01-26-2013 09:43 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
When your trying to decide what intake to run, note that most of the low pro intakes make the motor look squished. They sit low in a square making them look even flatter. If asthetics are of concern, you will need a taller truck style intake.

babyblueoval 01-26-2013 09:50 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
That's squished area is where the supercharger goes.....duh

;)

67cheby 01-26-2013 11:27 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thor (Post 5842377)
FAST intake will provide low end torque that the truck intakes are famous for and deliver that top end HP too. Check it out. Kinda spendy though!

they are sweet though !
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Originally Posted by jkeating1 (Post 5842413)
a buck and a quarter seems to be the market:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/3556232473.html

great deal !
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Originally Posted by DrppdBlazr (Post 5842464)
^^^ nice deal for sure...
yep !
Hey Mike..not sure if you measured this at all when the tank and axle were still in but what was the space like between the axle and front of the gas tank? Is there any room in there at all? Any idea of how many inches it is, In other words do you know if a bag would fit behind axle and infront of gas tank...its hard to get under mine right now to tell. Thanks for any help

yes that is how mine will be mounted !
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Originally Posted by watahyahknow (Post 5842930)
i agree i was looking at the prices of one of those intakes and it was pretty steep it might be that there stand alone cpu was included in the set i looked at though

another option might be turbocharging or fitting a centrifugal supercharger to a otherwize stock motor , it would give a great wow factor to the motor too
compared to the prices of the fast setup it doesnt cost a lot more extra
the supercharger will give a ton of power down low , it will pull the towhitch right of the trailer , you are going to need a little bigger radiator though to keep everything cool enough to operate under boost for a longer time at highway speeds pulling cloud 9 , at low boost putting in 1 extra injector operating by a boostswitch mounting a stronger fuelpump and putting in a boostreverenced fuelpressurevalve should be enough to keep the fuelratio in the green
i seen a lot of turbo stuff using the lq and ls type motors they seem to be able to handle boost verry whell

i would love to have the supercharger....but dont think that extra cash in the budget
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Originally Posted by black_sheep454 (Post 5843230)
Ls1 intakes are cheaper than the ls6 intakes. Ls6 intakes make a little more power, but more importantly they don't have a large hole in the top of them for an egr valve like the ls1's do. You can block it of with a freeze plug but it doesn't look as good. Last time I checked it was pretty easy to find a ls6 intake for around $300-$350 but it's been a while since I've looked.
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hmmmmmm....
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Originally Posted by YoungBurb88 (Post 5844205)
Just call me "Johnny-Come-Lately", page 30 and I'm just now getting in on it and subscribed. Better late than never right?? lol
LOL, welcome aboard !
Admittedly I am quite the newby, however, I did notice that this is a lot of talk about intakes going on and something you may want to consider in the decision is the heads. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the ports on the LS- truck heads are a "Cathedral Port" design. If you're using the stock heads on an LS truck engine they may be different from the port design on the intakes built for the cars (Corvette/Camaro). I don't know how different the Cathedral port design is from the oval or square port, but you definitely want them to match.... again just a newby, but the thought crossed my mind anyhow.

good point , i am new to this LS stuff also i will look at that !
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Originally Posted by N2TRUX (Post 5844293)
When your trying to decide what intake to run, note that most of the low pro intakes make the motor look squished. They sit low in a square making them look even flatter. If asthetics are of concern, you will need a taller truck style intake.

great point..maybe i will just keep it and make a cool cover ?
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Originally Posted by babyblueoval (Post 5844300)
That's squished area is where the supercharger goes.....duh

;)

I would love that.....just cant afford that ! LOL

N2TRUX 01-26-2013 11:30 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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Originally Posted by babyblueoval (Post 5844300)
That's squished area is where the supercharger goes.....duh

;)

Good idea. I like spending other peoples money for them.

N2TRUX 01-26-2013 11:34 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
If you really want some "wow" factor under the hood, consider on of the Harrop intakes.

http://www.harrop.com.au/prodimages/..._cable_470.jpg

http://www.harrop.com.au/prodimages/...eLS126_470.jpg

67cheby 01-26-2013 12:06 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
i think i am in love....i would take that over the supercharger !

DrppdBlazr 01-26-2013 01:30 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
$5000 DAMN haha

watahyahknow 01-26-2013 01:34 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
expencive maibe but oh wow
http://www.youtube.com/embed/NK1JThr...layer_embedded

btw check out the australian raptor supercharger there about 3000 dollar new not sure if they have a setup that will fit the LS1 though

babyblueoval 01-26-2013 03:59 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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Originally Posted by 67cheby (Post 5844536)
i think i am in love....i would take that over the supercharger !

I agree!!! That thing is real purdy. :D

watahyahknow 01-26-2013 04:17 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
the single intake tubes on the harris intake will kill all the low down grunt i was thinking about sumting like that on a turbo motor but the builder advised me not to as it would be out of the operating range of the turbo's cam and basicly the engine as a whole

another nice option would be the stock coveringplates from a corvette painted in the same colour as the body and some plate over the intake itself , i seen it a few times and it looks verry clean
http://image.corvettefever.com/f/103...engine_bay.jpg

you might even be able to let that plate flow intoo the same type of radiatorcovering you did on cloud 9 and hide the airfilter under it too

black_sheep454 01-26-2013 06:36 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
The ls1/ls6 intake will work with truck heads just fine. If you get into the ls3 and newer heads they will not. But that doesnt really matter for you because to run those heads you gave to have a bore bigger than 4.000 which the 5.3 doesn't have
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VA72C10 01-26-2013 06:38 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
You're thinking about this all wrong.....you need a sponsor for your intake or supercharger....


:D
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babyblueoval 01-26-2013 08:41 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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Originally Posted by VA72C10 (Post 5845331)
You're thinking about this all wrong.....you need a sponsor for your intake or supercharger....


:D
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Exactly what I was thinking....;)

jtp67-72 01-27-2013 10:36 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Mikey...thought u and every one else need to check these guys out...someone posted this on lateral-g.....talk about every fab skill explained....check out the hidden door release for shaved doors when they won't work............jim

http://www.jefflilly.com/fabrication/#

classicchev 01-27-2013 12:11 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
You think that cool, look at his 11 year old son!!!!!!!! Wonder how old he is now? Amazing stuff they do there, and the write ups are killer.
http://www.jefflilly.com/fabrication/metal-work/

watahyahknow 01-27-2013 03:12 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
its all in the feel for the material and less to do with strength , i think a young person would learn it eazier as long as hes somewat patient
i used to work with the paintstripper at a place where they overhaul airliners we where packed in pretty good but i was sweating and after wiping myself off i noticed there was a blob of the stuff on my sleeve i used to wipe my forhead with , it turned intoo a cartoonish (myheadisonfiremyheadisonfire) run to the badroom to wash the stuff off and i had a big red burn on it for a few weeks after , the kid actually shouldve worn long sleeves along with the gloves when working with the stuff

67cheby 01-28-2013 11:34 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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LOL...maybe i can find an intake sponsor dont think i wont ask ! LOL That is some pretty cool fab stuff !

Here is what we did this weekend, got the frame table unloaded (wheel welded back on) started mocking up stuff

I was revisiting the thought of using the stock frame once again but once i trim off the bottom of the frame i will then have to lift my front crossmember so...i think it is complete frame now !

I did make a template of the outside of the complete frame rail

jkeating1 01-28-2013 12:14 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Diggin this phase! So---is the frame the same on a 4-by as a 2-by? Particularly the front crossmember 'arch'. And while I'm asking, maybe a '69-'72 K-to-C Blazer conversion veteran can chime in on the same Q for that gen.
JK

67cheby 01-28-2013 12:16 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
yes the frame is the same the 4x4 just doesnt have the factory holes for the crossmember to bolt in like the 2wd does

jkeating1 01-28-2013 12:27 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
"I was revisiting the thought of using the stock frame once again but once i trim off the bottom of the frame i will then have to lift my front crossmember so...i think it is complete frame now !

I did make a template of the outside of the complete frame rail "


I missed that line---I see now that the Scott's crossmember is lower than the rails. As an alternative to a custom frame, a 2wd square body frame would be easier to find (and cheaper) than a 1st gen C blazer---would that have the correct front crossmember location? Alternative #2--how about a C10 frame from the front horns back to the rear notch cut?
JK

jkeating1 01-28-2013 12:29 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Oh, didnt realize you were replying my first post while I was pondering the second. ......nevermind!

raull 01-28-2013 12:36 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
wow mike youre flying , missed a few pages , ive been busy u know why !!! looking good bud !!!!

babyblueoval 01-28-2013 06:20 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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Originally Posted by jkeating1 (Post 5850822)
Diggin this phase! So---is the frame the same on a 4-by as a 2-by? Particularly the front crossmember 'arch'. And while I'm asking, maybe a '69-'72 K-to-C Blazer conversion veteran can chime in on the same Q for that gen.
JK

On 67-72's the frames are not the same from 4x2 to 4x4. On the front suspension, the 4x4 arch is higher than the 4x2. In the rear, the frame rails on the 4x2 kick in after the rear suspension and the 4x4 rails continue straight all the way back. I'm converting my 4x4 to 4x2 by shortening a 4x2 frame and moving the body mounts as needed, that way I can use Nathan's Dropmember C4. Here are a couple pics to show the difference.
Looking straight down the 4x4 rails:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...r/CIMG2051.jpg
4x4 and 2x4 side by side, you can see how much higher the front suspension arch is, also an idea of the difference in body mounts:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...r/CIMG2053.jpg
Hope that helps.

watahyahknow 01-28-2013 06:41 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
i wonder of you can use the 4x4 frame with a 2wd frontsuspension to get a 2 wd laying frame instead of doing a Z on a 2x4 frame it might be the eazier way to go if youre doing a frame of build

babyblueoval 01-28-2013 06:50 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
In the front yes. The rear still needs a notch. If I had gone with the regular Dropmember that is what I would have done.

67cheby 01-29-2013 11:54 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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well me , chip and my son worked on stretching the frame table out last night getting a little closer to starting on this frame every day !

DrppdBlazr 01-29-2013 12:20 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Nice mike nice mike....Cant wait untill im to this point... Frame tabel extension looks good

67cheby 01-31-2013 10:40 AM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
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here is a little more mock up of the Scott's IFS and a little more work getting the frame set on the table

oldman3 01-31-2013 12:57 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
Mike, looks good. Based on what I see I take it for granted that you are sticking with the
orginal frame and making you mods as needed?....Jim

67cheby 01-31-2013 01:04 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
nope building a whole new frame !

DrppdBlazr 01-31-2013 01:58 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
not trying to thread jack or anything just curious to know if anyone knows...Is the 2wd blazer frame the same as your 4wd blazer frame?

Frame table extension seems to be turning out good man.

67cheby 01-31-2013 02:32 PM

Re: Slosh Tubz new company project "Square Peg" frame laying 1987 GMC Jimmy
 
I think they are...i will have this original frame for sale in a few weeks if anyone is looking for one to modifu, as soon as i am done mocking everything up off of it !


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