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More new parts today. This picture shows the new wipers and inside mirror. Not seen is the new dome light, dimmer switch and pedal pads. Going to be installing the rear fender braces tomorrow.
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Recent bits.
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Looking Great!! Love the 4-speed... I too have a 4-Speed, of the Muncie version...
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The replacement pair of tires arrived today. Now I just need to get around to ordering and then painting the new wheels. The seatbelts are still scheduled to arrive Friday, so I should be able to get one or both installed over the weekend.
Other than that, I've been piddling around with some cleaning and detailing, since I'm pretty much out of parts to install. Still waiting to see if there's anything coming up for Black Friday sales that I need. |
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Two shipments arrived today. First was a replacement ash tray. The truck came with a pre-painted face plate and handle for the ash tray, but the guts were MIA. I bought a used one from forum member @pdxhall. Took it apart, sanded, cleaned and painted it, then assembled it with the painted face I already had. It fills the hole in the dash nicely.
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Then late this afternoon USPS delivered the new seat belts. Will begin that project tomorrow.
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I moved the truck into the middle of the garage today...
Attachment 2234355 Attachment 2234356 ...and started on the driver's seat belt. Finished it this afternoon. Quite pleased with the result. Will do the passenger side tomorrow. Attachment 2234358 Attachment 2234359 Attachment 2234357 |
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Passenger belt installed today. No issues, all looks good. The truck gets towed to the muffler shop tomorrow, with work to begin first thing Tuesday morning. I should pick it up either late afternoon Tuesday, or Wednesday morning.
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The truck was delivered to the exhaust shop this afternoon, no drama. Got it on the rack and up in the air, and all looks good. Now I need to wait for him to call me when it's done.
Took a few fresh pictures while it was out of the garage and waiting for the flatbed. I really need to get the new wheels ordered, I can't wait to get those big things off. Attachment 2234656 Attachment 2234657 Attachment 2234658 Attachment 2234659 Attachment 2234660 |
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I'm sure you can't wait to get it back from the exhaust shop. Any idea on the wheel/tire setup you're going to go with?
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I got the call that the exhaust is done at about 4:40 this afternoon. But since I live 30 minutes away from the shop, I won't be picking it up until tomorrow morning. Drat!
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Picked it up this morning, in a pouring rain. The exhaust is good, nice sound but not too loud. Stainless tips exiting behind each rear wheel look proper.
As for the drive home, it was mostly all good. This is the first time I've driven the truck more than a time or two around the block. The odometer (which works!) registered 17 miles for the trip home. The single speed wipers work surprisingly well. While the heater fan is DOA, the heater itself delivered heat while driving home. The non-boosted brakes work well, albeit needing a lot of leg, so adding a booster will stay on my list. The A833 3+OD manual transmission is a pretty interesting choice. It looks and shifts like a car-type Muncie, but drives (and sounds) like a wide ratio truck transmission (which is what it is, to be fair). The overdrive 4th gear is pretty much useless below 45 or so, but should make for relaxed highway driving. Of course, "mostly all good" is not the same as "all good". I fully expected to find areas that are lacking. But there are really only 3 of note. First, the fuel gauge (that I had tested early in the rewiring) doesn't do anything. Second, the 20 year-old tires have rubber that's about as hard as a bowling ball. Last, and most important, the steering is horrible—very heavy, and sloppy as all get out. Several inches of play at the wheel. The steering box must be totally worn out. The tires and steering are already on the priority list - the new tires are here and are just waiting for me to get the new wheels. The power rack & pinion set up has been ordered, and should be here by the end of the year. And I'll take another look at the fuel gauge either later today or tomorrow. |
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If the sending unit tested to work out ok while out of the tank, I'd put money on your float being full of gas
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It was in the tank when I tested it after the new wiring. I added a couple gallons of gas and it moved up as one would expect. But now it reads empty, even though I added 12 gallons of gas today. I went out and put the meter on it just now, it shows an open circuit. So I think it just decided that it was a Klingon and that perhaps today WAS a good day to die.
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I'm told it bolts to the frame on both sides. No drilling needed. Attaches to the factory steering box holes on the left and the idler arm holes on the right.
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Made it out to DMV this afternoon, after waiting until the snow and ice from the last couple days melted off. After 2½ months the truck is now legal.
Attachment 2235559 Also finally ordered the new wheels, electric choke kit, new fuel sender and a shift boot late today. All items are supposed to be in stock, so should arrive in the next week or so. I've got to start looking at off-white paint for the wheels soon. |
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I received the first box of the rack & pinion conversion parts over the weekend, and so while waiting for the rack and special bracket to ship I figured I'd start test fitting everything I had so far. Not very successful yet.
Part of the reason I ordered everything (rack kit, pump, hoses, pump pulley and pump bracket) from POL was with the thought that by ordering everything from a single supplier I'd have a better chance of it all working together as it should. That does not appear to be quite true in this case. The first issue is that I received (ordered) the wrong outer tie rod ends. I will take at least partial responsibility for this one. When you order, you need to specify what spindles you have to get tie rod ends to match. The choices are listed as "Drum/OEM disc brake type" or "Disc brake 73-87 type". I bought my truck with the disc conversion already done, and mis-identified my spindles as being the later 73-87 units. I was wrong, and so I got the wrong tie rod ends. That said, I find it odd that all of the outfits that sell these conversions ask the same question, almost word for word, but none of them give you any clue on how to tell which you have if you aren't sure. The answer turns out to be quite simple, the later 73-87 tie rod ends have 9/16" threads on the swivel stud and use a ⅞" hex nut. The early style is much smaller, 7/16" threads and 11/16" hex nut. If this difference had been noted in the product description when I ordered I would not have ordered/received the wrong parts. (Side note for future replacement - the early style tie rod ends used with this rack conversion are part number ES415R, which appears to be the normal part for 71-72 C10. The later spindles use ES409R instead.) The second issue is that despite ordering the pump and pulley together, the pulley and shaft aren't quite compatible. Both parts are for bolt-on pulley with key, but either the pulley hub is too thick or the shaft is not long enough as the Nylock shaft nut provided bottoms out before the nylon lock ring reaches the threads. Like the tie rod ends, this is not a fatal issue, but I'll need to find a locking nut that is shallower before I get this all installed. The last issue is the most difficult to understand. The pump brackets do not appear to fit my early-80s 305 small block with long water pump. The pump bracket set is said to work on both short and long water pump engines. When I loosely bolt up the whole assembly, the pump is too close to the block. There is not enough clearance for the upper slotted bracket to fit, and the pulley grooves are off by a whole groove (inner groove on the crank and water pump lines up with the outer groove on the 2-groove pulley). Additionally, the upper slotted bracket is supposed to go to the lower bolt on the water pump, but in reality the water pump casting doesn't have clearance at either bolt to mount an additional bracket of this type. Based on lining up pulley grooves, I'd need to space the pump and brackets about ⅝" away from the block. And I'd still need to do something different with the upper slotted bracket, as there is no where it will fit on the water pump. It looks like all the other brackets I see offered besides Alan Grove's are essentially the same. Anyone else seen anything like this? Do the Alan Grove brackets space the pump farther away from the engine? Attachment 2236198 Attachment 2236199 Attachment 2236200 |
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Is it possible to flip the pulley over and install it the other way on the power steering pump? Looks like that would push the grooves further out.
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I've got another thread on the pump mount part going in the General Engine & Drivetrain forum, and there has been a promising looking tip there on the mounting. Will try it later today. As for the pulley, I'm not too concerned about which groove I use, as long as it lines up with the inner groove on the crank pulley. |
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I'm going to return the current steering pump brackets for refund, and will order a set from Alan Grove tomorrow. Got confirmation that the rack mounting brackets and rack itself have a 2-4 week lead time, so it is still a couple of weeks out.
On a happier note (not that the above is all that bad), the new wheels arrived today, and are good. Will start looking for paint to match the creamy-white on the roof tomorrow. Should be able to get them painted and the new tires mounted by the end of next week. Attachment 2236620 |
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Is there any reason your going with a long water pump?
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Admittedly, I do not spend as much time on this site as I probably should... but then again, time-management is not one of my strong points. Forgive this Dumb Hick for asking details of a subject that has probably already been discussed, but could you explain the "A-833 OD" truck transmission? Or aim me toward the area where has been described in more detail?
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It was resurrected for GM light truck use in the early '80s. This version had a lighter aluminum case, and the shift linkages were reconfigured to make 3rd gear the direct 1:1, and 4th gear was an 0.75:1 overdrive. The OD version with the aluminum case was not good for high torque applications, GM only fitted it to smaller engines. I read somewhere that the 305 small block was the most powerful engine they put it behind. It was apparently not a popular choice when new, and is rarely seen now. But it should make a nice option for a tame cruising truck like mine. It cruises at less than 2000 RPM at 55-60 MPH. |
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New Grove steering pump brackets are ordered, will probably be here long before the steering rack itself arrives.
The first two wheels are painted, and the paint match is very good. Will prep and paint the last 2 tomorrow, let it all cure over the weekend, then look into getting the new tires mounted and balanced next week. More parts arrived today: fuel gauge sender; electric choke kit; and shift boot. I'm sure I'll have all this done by the end of the weekend at the latest. Attachment 2237235 |
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Got the other 2 wheels painted today, I'm going to let the paint cure for several days before taking them down to have the tires mounted. But will definitely get that done next week. I'm really looking forward to getting the over-deep current wheels off the truck.
Installed the shift boot and fuel sender today as well. The boot is great, fits just as I'd hoped. And the fuel gauge now tells me I have just over half a tank, which is about what I expected. Will pull the carb off to start on the choke conversion probably over the weekend, if other non-truck projects don't take up too much of my time. Definitely no later than Monday... Attachment 2237432 |
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One thing leads to another. Always.
I got the carb converted to electric choke, and it passed my bench test. So I put it back on the engine and tried to start it up for final adjustment. No start. I knew I was going to have to crank it a while to pump fuel back into the carb. Turned the key, the starter cranked nicely for a few seconds, then rapidly slowed down like the battery was flat. But it wasn't—volt meter showed 12.6v. Hooked up the jumper cables to my Tacoma just to make sure, and still mostly nothing, even though the meter showed 13.7v at the battery. I've caught hints of this in the past. It cranks great if the starter is cold, for a few seconds. But if the engine doesn't catch quickly, it starts to slow down noticeably. The engine normally starts easy enough that it hasn't been an issue. If the float bowl wasn't empty today, it probably would have fired right up this time also. But cranking it long enough the fill the bowl just showed how quickly the starter performance degrades. I will pick up a replacement starter tomorrow morning, and then finish final adjustment of the new choke. The new tires get mounted on the new wheels Wednesday morning, and I will swap them on to the truck later that afternoon. |
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Sucks about starter but hopefully ends up being a fairly painless job to swap. I can't wait to see it with the new shoes bolted up!
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The new electric choke has taken a little more fiddling to get dialed in than I expected, which takes time as I have to let it get cold again before the next test. But it's either good or really close now. Quote:
And so I finally have proper fitting wheels on my truck. They no longer poke out of the fenders. YAY! And I really like the look. Here's a few initial pics. Attachment 2238704 Attachment 2238705 Attachment 2238706 Attachment 2238707 |
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The new steering pump brackets from Alan Grove arrived today, but I'm probably not going the get around to test fitting them until Friday.
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Looks great with the new wheels!
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I found time to test fit the new steering pump brackets, and these (from Alan Grove) are nice, and fit properly. Will prep and paint them over the next few days, then I'll install the pump (w/o belt) while I continue to wait for the steering rack to arrive.
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I am going back and forth with using K rally wheels or going with steelies like yours. This is making it harder. Lol. Leaning towards the rallys just cause I already have them. But, who knows. I looked back in your post and didn't see the sizes. What size are the rims and tires and where did you get your hubcaps?
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The wheels are 15x8 Wheel Vintiques brand. I bought them from Summit as while the price is the same everywhere ($140 each in 2022), Summit offers free shipping. They have 4¼" backspacing. Mine are 5 on 5" for the disc brake conversion done by the OP, but they are available in 6 lug as well. They are also available in other 15" widths - 5", 6", 7" and 10" in addition to the 8" I used. Hub caps are the normal repro caps available at most of the usual suspects. I got mine from Classic Truck Parts as they seem to be a bit less than most other sellers. Attachment 2239501 |
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Was just reviewing a bit. It has come along nicely so far.
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Looks great! I love where the shifter placement is with the 4 speed.
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Looks great on the new rubber for sure. Nice overall stance too!
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