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toddoky 08-09-2015 09:40 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
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Originally Posted by indymachinist (Post 7268684)
Just thinking aloud here... I (and probably others here as well) would love to see more of the behind the scenes development and production of these swap parts. The cad, prototyping, casting, machining, bending, etc.

Is that something that would be allowed? I understand the inner workings of things like this can be pretty secretive but as a machinist I like to see the process. :)

I don't think it's out of the question, but I'd have to get permission from management to post any internal photos or proprietary engineering materials. We actually do post photos of the various departments within Holley on our Facebook page, so it may be worth a visit to guys like yourself who like to see such things. I'll see what I find out during the week.

1976K5CHALET 08-09-2015 10:12 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
My big problem is the cooling system. No body makes a radiator other than the old school brass copper or newer plastic tank with aluminum core that will bolt right in. I've had a champion installed in my 90 Jimmy that was to short and said shop used the 73/80 low mount radiator bracket to hold it in. I ordered an LS swap radiator from summit and sent it back as well due to fitment issues. Judging by your pictures you have this cured. Is the radiator available to purchase yet?

DW

toddoky 08-09-2015 10:18 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1976K5CHALET (Post 7268723)
My big problem is the cooling system. No body makes a radiator other than the old school brass copper or newer plastic tank with aluminum core that will bolt right in. I've had a champion installed in my 90 Jimmy that was to short and said shop used the 73/80 low mount radiator bracket to hold it in. I ordered an LS swap radiator from summit and sent it back as well due to fitment issues. Judging by your pictures you have this cured. Is the radiator available to purchase yet?

DW

The radiator in the red truck is made by CRS...make sure you're sitting down if you go looking for pricing information.

1976K5CHALET 08-09-2015 10:20 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Thanx for the advice. This issue has been the biggest pain in my rear end of this entire swap.

DW

RUN GMC 08-09-2015 11:05 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
A couple of thoughts here.....first I saw this truck awhile back on the Power Tour at the Holley display I think way before last year this was the truck that got me started looking for my 87 GMC that I have now....it was very nice motivation for me...........will you guys have this on display when the Roadkill Road Show rolls through next Sunday kind of made plans to jump in as they drive from Nashville to Memphis(working Sunday or I would roll up to Bowling Green)........I believe these are pics I took in Knoxville in 2014........
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/IMG_1054.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/IMG_1053.jpg

solidaxel 08-09-2015 11:06 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Ok, I am officially impressed. You work for Holley, it is Sunday afternoon and you are helping one of our own with the brackets he needs. Great service! Though hope you are getting down time for you.

Now I am going to buy something from you guys...maybe the Terminator system for my current build...don't know yet. Probably brackets I need for the build for sure.






.......................... he stated it !!!

Daaaanz67 08-09-2015 11:56 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Ok enough talk lets get working on that chevelle stuff just kidding thanks for all the info especially on a Sunday. I'm using the cast iron manifolds on my conversion been on my truck for three years now not driven in the winter to much especially in the rain at all. I was just wondering what would have caused my black ceramic finish to look like this? It was heat cycled when new. Really love the fit but disappointed in finish. http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/...217_140111.jpg

toddoky 08-10-2015 07:18 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
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Originally Posted by RUN GMC (Post 7268786)
A couple of thoughts here.....first I saw this truck awhile back on the Power Tour at the Holley display I think way before last year this was the truck that got me started looking for my 87 GMC that I have now....it was very nice motivation for me...........will you guys have this on display when the Roadkill Road Show rolls through next Sunday kind of made plans to jump in as they drive from Nashville to Memphis(working Sunday or I would roll up to Bowling Green)........I believe these are pics I took in Knoxville in 2014........
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/IMG_1054.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...3/IMG_1053.jpg

I'll ask the owner to be sure, but I don't think he has plans to show the truck anywhere before LS Fest.

toddoky 08-10-2015 07:20 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by solidaxel (Post 7268787)
Ok, I am officially impressed. You work for Holley, it is Sunday afternoon and you are helping one of our own with the brackets he needs. Great service! Though hope you are getting down time for you.

Now I am going to buy something from you guys...maybe the Terminator system for my current build...don't know yet. Probably brackets I need for the build for sure.






.......................... he stated it !!!

I'm glad I was able to help you out.

toddoky 08-10-2015 07:47 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daaaanz67 (Post 7268843)
Ok enough talk lets get working on that chevelle stuff just kidding thanks for all the info especially on a Sunday. I'm using the cast iron manifolds on my conversion been on my truck for three years now not driven in the winter to much especially in the rain at all. I was just wondering what would have caused my black ceramic finish to look like this? It was heat cycled when new. Really love the fit but disappointed in finish. http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/...217_140111.jpg

I'm personally not a fan of ceramic coatings (from Hooker or any other source) as I've never experienced good long-term results with their usage from a cosmetic standpoint. As long as the coating doesn't exhibit any signs of debonding from the surface then its primary engineered function as a thermal barrier has not been compromised.

toddoky 08-12-2015 09:28 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toddoky (Post 7268733)
The radiator in the red truck is made by CRS...make sure you're sitting down if you go looking for pricing information.

I incorrectly stated the name of the source of the radiator earlier...the correct name is C&R Radiators.

Misled 08-13-2015 10:02 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
I bought the 20-137 kit. I keep hearing of an install kit I will need. Can you advise what that is (and part number) please?

toddoky 08-14-2015 07:08 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Misled (Post 7273233)
I bought the 20-137 kit. I keep hearing of an install kit I will need. Can you advise what that is (and part number) please?

Depending on the engine you are installing the kit with, you may need to use an available spacer kit to match the fore/aft offset of the Holley components with the water pump and balancer on your engine. What LS engine are you installing?

toddoky 08-14-2015 10:27 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Misled (Post 7273233)
I bought the 20-137 kit. I keep hearing of an install kit I will need. Can you advise what that is (and part number) please?

.

These are the part numbers of the Holley installation kits; pick the one you need based on the water pump/balancer offset you have on your engine...

Corvette/CTSV - 21-1, F-Body/GTO- 21-2 or truck- 21-3

Matt Cramer 08-14-2015 10:59 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Ok, something I'm curious about on '67-'72 trucks. Bit of a weird question, and I can understand if you don't have the answer.

I made a set of homemade mounts that have similar bolt positions to these: https://holley.com/products/ls_power...parts/12622HKR

Then I put the stock engine stands in the six cylinder position so the engine mounted in the same location. I used a set of used 2010 Camaro exhaust manifolds, and had to do a lot of sawing and welding on the stock engine stands to make them clear everything.

Would the Hooker manifolds have cleared this?

toddoky 08-14-2015 11:19 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Cramer (Post 7273710)
Ok, something I'm curious about on '67-'72 trucks. Bit of a weird question, and I can understand if you don't have the answer.

I made a set of homemade mounts that have similar bolt positions to these: https://holley.com/products/ls_power...parts/12622HKR

Then I put the stock engine stands in the six cylinder position so the engine mounted in the same location. I used a set of used 2010 Camaro exhaust manifolds, and had to do a lot of sawing and welding on the stock engine stands to make them clear everything.

Would the Hooker manifolds have cleared this?

I've not done any test fitting of any type of parts on 67-72 trucks, so I unfortunately don't have an answer for you either way.

Misled 08-14-2015 11:32 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toddoky (Post 7273689)
.

These are the part numbers of the Holley installation kits; pick the one you need based on the water pump/balancer offset you have on your engine...

Corvette/CTSV - 21-1, F-Body/GTO- 21-2 or truck- 21-3

It is the GTO, so thank you...I will get that on order as well:):)

roundhouse 08-15-2015 03:37 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
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Originally Posted by toddoky (Post 7262635)
The engine brackets are compatible with the later factory truck compressor that does not have the rear sensor on it, but the edge of the front lip of the clamshell mounting brace on the truck will need to be trimmed slightly to clear the compressor.

so you are saying that we dont have to relocate the AC compressor when for a LS 5.3 in a 73-87 ?

how does it not hit the frame?

or do we have to move the transmission?

we have a 76 K-10 4wd with a stock 70's 350 and a NV-3500 5 speed from a 2007 Silverado.

toddoky 08-16-2015 07:29 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
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Originally Posted by roundhouse (Post 7274690)
so you are saying that we dont have to relocate the AC compressor when for a LS 5.3 in a 73-87 ?

how does it not hit the frame?

or do we have to move the transmission?

we have a 76 K-10 4wd with a stock 70's 350 and a NV-3500 5 speed from a 2007 Silverado.

Hey Roundhouse. The later type A/C compressor can be used in the stock location by notching the front lower lip on the right side frame bracket that the clamshell mount attaches to. This applies only to 2WD trucks as I've not spent any time with a 4WD truck to be able to know what the differences are in that area. 4WD fitment validation has not been discussed here by management, so I don't know if or when that may happen. I'm suspecting that the only components in this system that would also fit a 4WD are the engine brackets and the headers; the trans crossmember and the exhaust systems will be a no-go.

Misled 08-17-2015 11:31 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
toddoky,
Yet another question for ya......:):)

The PART# 12646HKR crossmember. Mine is on order, is it painted or powdercoated from the factory?

Thanks again,

Barry

toddoky 08-17-2015 11:52 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Misled (Post 7277038)
toddoky,
Yet another question for ya......:):)

The PART# 12646HKR crossmember. Mine is on order, is it painted or powdercoated from the factory?

Thanks again,

Barry

Semi-gloss black powdercoat finish.

Misled 08-18-2015 03:35 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
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Originally Posted by toddoky (Post 7277061)
Semi-gloss black powdercoat finish.

Perfect...saves me a step!!

roundhouse 08-18-2015 04:13 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toddoky (Post 7275239)
Hey Roundhouse. The later type A/C compressor can be used in the stock location by notching the front lower lip on the right side frame bracket that the clamshell mount attaches to. This applies only to 2WD trucks as I've not spent any time with a 4WD truck to be able to know what the differences are in that area. 4WD fitment validation has not been discussed here by management, so I don't know if or when that may happen. I'm suspecting that the only components in this system that would also fit a 4WD are the engine brackets and the headers; the trans crossmember and the exhaust systems will be a no-go.

we are keeping the 2007 NV3500 5 speed thats currently in the truck,
the trans should stay in the same place?

dont think we;d need the crossmember, its for swapping in a 4L60, right?

toddoky 08-19-2015 10:10 AM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roundhouse (Post 7277696)
we are keeping the 2007 NV3500 5 speed thats currently in the truck,
the trans should stay in the same place?

dont think we;d need the crossmember, its for swapping in a 4L60, right?

Hey roundhouse. The Hooker crossmember can be used to install a TH2004R,TH400, 4L60-4L70, 4L80, T56 or T56 Magnum transmission in a 2WD truck. None of the parts in this system have been designed for or tested for fitment on a 4WD truck, so any information I give you is likely to be erroneous or useless in regards to your 4WD K-10. I would be happy to see you use Hooker components in your swap, but they just weren't designed for your application; you may have success with the engine mounting brackets, but that's about it.

Houston Ben 08-21-2015 04:14 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Sooo...no worky for 6L80?

toddoky 08-21-2015 05:08 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
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Originally Posted by Houston Ben (Post 7280920)
Sooo...no worky for 6L80?

There is no direct accomodation for that trans, but because the location of its mount lies between a TH400 and a 4L60, it would be easy enough to fabricate an adapter bracket to pick up its mount off of the Hooker crossmember.

Malo83 08-22-2015 12:50 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Glad to see you over here, been following on LS1tech :metal:
http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversion...m-preview.html

toddoky 08-22-2015 01:27 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Malo83 (Post 7281619)
Glad to see you over here, been following on LS1tech :metal:
http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversion...m-preview.html

I'm glad to be here as well. I'm a long-time and repeat squarebody owner myself, so I have more personal interest in the topics on this forum than what is present on any of the other sites I frequent in support of the Hooker LS swap kits.

Misled 09-08-2015 05:49 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
5 Attachment(s)
Some Hooker pieces in place:):)

toddoky 09-08-2015 07:24 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Misled (Post 7302527)
Some Hooker pieces in place:):)

Looks great, glad to see more Hooker components in use.

indymachinist 09-08-2015 08:48 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
does look good. clean and simple.

Advanced Design 09-10-2015 07:58 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
This LS swap competition looks very interesting with a focus on the 73 - 87 C10.
Winner gets to keep the provided LS engine and Holley parts.
https://www.holley.com/events/lsfest/engineswap/

Pulse_GTO 09-15-2015 03:03 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toddoky (Post 7280947)
There is no direct accomodation for that trans, but because the location of its mount lies between a TH400 and a 4L60, it would be easy enough to fabricate an adapter bracket to pick up its mount off of the Hooker crossmember.

Would love to know more about this.

toddoky 09-17-2015 02:38 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pulse_GTO (Post 7309715)
Would love to know more about this.

The process is rather straight forward as long as you have fabricating abilities and equipment. You would start by installing your engine and trans in your truck using the Hooker engine mounting brackets and then jack up the rear of the transmission high enough to allow you to position the Hooker crossmember under the mount of the 6L80 trans. You would next adjust the height of the rear of the trans up or down until you achieve U-joint working angles that are optimized for your trucks' ride height/suspension configuration. Once that is achieved, you then need to design an adapter bracket that will connect the trans mount to the crossmember. If the crossmember crossbar is too high and leaves too little room for the design of such a piece, then you would just move the crossmember back about 4" and purchase/use the Hooker T56 crossmember cantilever bracket with the crossmember to provide a lower mounting surface height to build to.

Misled 10-19-2015 09:06 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
toddoky, I'm having trouble figuring out which 2.5 exhaust fits my truck. It is a shortbed and I want the side exit exhaust.

Thanks,

Barry

toddoky 10-19-2015 09:37 PM

Are you wanting the full 304SS version, or the 409SS system with 304SS mufflers?
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Misled 10-19-2015 09:53 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
The 409/304 is fine....no plans for bad weather driving.

toddoky 10-19-2015 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misled (Post 7346946)
The 409/304 is fine....no plans for bad weather driving.

I'll get you a part number in the morning...are you using the Hooker transmission crossmember in your truck?
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Misled 10-19-2015 10:51 PM

Re: Hooker 73-87 GM truck LS swap system
 
Yep, Hooker/Holley everything swap-wise so far...

toddoky 10-20-2015 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misled (Post 7347029)
Yep, Hooker/Holley everything swap-wise so far...

The part number for that system is 70501414-RHKR.
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