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smartass12 02-04-2014 10:10 PM

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I might be an idiot...please chime in if so..So my battery is located in the rear of my truck...What gauge wire should i run from the battery to the starter? Rather not say what i ran..might be a tad inadequate

ls1nova71 02-04-2014 10:20 PM

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The longer the cable length the bigger the diameter should be. With a battery mounted in the rear of the truck I wouldn't go any smaller than 0 gauge. Have you heard this engine run before? Maybe pull the plugs and see if it cranks over fast?

smartass12 02-05-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6508640)
The longer the cable length the bigger the diameter should be. With a battery mounted in the rear of the truck I wouldn't go any smaller than 0 gauge. Have you heard this engine run before? Maybe pull the plugs and see if it cranks over fast?

I have never heard the engine run. I did however pull the heads to inspect things and all seemed well, had good compression with no leak down after valves were lapped. Put on new head gaskets, head bolts, new plugs, new wires...etc..

Low Elco 02-05-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by truckdude239 (Post 6482992)
thats why i paided to have mine done 225 plus 80 for a hd relay/fuse box i only had to hook up 5 wires! and it start on the second turn of the key

Who did yours?

BR3W CITY 02-05-2014 02:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smartass12 (Post 6508610)
I might be an idiot...please chime in if so..So my battery is located in the rear of my truck...What gauge wire should i run from the battery to the starter? Rather not say what i ran..might be a tad inadequate

I have a 0/00awg wire from the battert to a power distro terminal underhood, then a 2awg from that to the starter.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps6c530bcc.jpg

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truckdude239 02-05-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Low Elco (Post 6509662)
Who did yours?

it was 225 for harness 80 for the hd fuse box and 100 to flash the computer


www.lsx-harness.com

smartass12 02-06-2014 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BR3W CITY (Post 6509676)
I have a 0/00awg wire from the battert to a power distro terminal underhood, then a 2awg from that to the starter.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps6c530bcc.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps705514e4.jpg

Then that is how ill do it.

smartass12 02-08-2014 05:08 PM

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OK....so i run a 2 gauge from the battery to the front of my truck. BINGO! One problem solved. The truck now turns over like it should but does not start. Next problem to take on...must be some wire issues. The fuel pump doesnt kick on for that first 2 seconds or any time after for that matter.

dec010974 02-08-2014 09:29 PM

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if the fuel pump is not priming the fuel system as it should, check your fuel pump relay to ensure its wired correctly. Also, check the fuel pump signal wire with your test light. I hope your pcm had the vats removed.

smartass12 02-08-2014 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dec010974 (Post 6515932)
if the fuel pump is not priming the fuel system as it should, check your fuel pump relay to ensure its wired correctly. Also, check the fuel pump signal wire with your test light. I hope your pcm had the vats removed.


I still haven't looked into changing the way the current performance harness is wired like you have suggested..So far I just hooked up the wires as suggested in there instructions...I think I need to call you...am about to just throw my hands up and have bill at BP make me an idiot proof harness

Iceburgh 02-09-2014 01:28 AM

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Internal or external pump?
I have seen this before....ther is a positive and negative on the pump. I have seen people wire them backwards and it will buzz like it should but it wont pump.
Something to check

smartass12 02-09-2014 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceburgh (Post 6516426)
Internal or external pump?
I have seen this before....ther is a positive and negative on the pump. I have seen people wire them backwards and it will buzz like it should but it wont pump.
Something to check

Internal..I will check that out..thanks

dec010974 02-09-2014 09:16 AM

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If possible, disconnect everything on that box. Grab (1) relay and wire it for the fuel pump relay. In this order, Id test the fuel pump signal first. If that works, connect and wire the fuel relay by itself.
30-Fused Battery Power
87-Power to (+) on Fuel Pump
Note: Fuel Pump must have Ground(-) also
85-Fuel Pump Signal
Note: PCM Sends (+) Fuel Pump Signal
86-Ground(-)
Note: #85 & #86 can change polarity, which means that the signals are interchangeable, but you must have both the (-) & (+) to power the relay/accessory properly.
These are relays instructions I die by. If someone wires a relay in this fashion and it doesn't work, I'll shoot myself in the foot.

smartass12 02-09-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dec010974 (Post 6516584)
If possible, disconnect everything on that box. Grab (1) relay and wire it for the fuel pump relay. In this order, Id test the fuel pump signal first. If that works, connect and wire the fuel relay by itself.
30-Fused Battery Power
87-Power to (+) on Fuel Pump
Note: Fuel Pump must have Ground(-) also
85-Fuel Pump Signal
Note: PCM Sends (+) Fuel Pump Signal
86-Ground(-)
Note: #85 & #86 can change polarity, which means that the signals are interchangeable, but you must have both the (-) & (+) to power the relay/accessory properly.
These are relays instructions I die by. If someone wires a relay in this fashion and it doesn't work, I'll shoot myself in the foot.

Will do! Thanks, i will report back..

smartass12 02-12-2014 10:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dec010974 (Post 6516584)
If possible, disconnect everything on that box. Grab (1) relay and wire it for the fuel pump relay. In this order, Id test the fuel pump signal first. If that works, connect and wire the fuel relay by itself.
30-Fused Battery Power
87-Power to (+) on Fuel Pump
Note: Fuel Pump must have Ground(-) also
85-Fuel Pump Signal
Note: PCM Sends (+) Fuel Pump Signal
86-Ground(-)
Note: #85 & #86 can change polarity, which means that the signals are interchangeable, but you must have both the (-) & (+) to power the relay/accessory properly.
These are relays instructions I die by. If someone wires a relay in this fashion and it doesn't work, I'll shoot myself in the foot.

So i pulled the fuel pump wires off the (Current performance/wired to there isnstructions) relay and wired it up like you suggested to a separate relay....BINGO...fuel pumps seems to come on properly....truck still wont fire so i guess i need to search for the next issue...

ls1nova71 02-12-2014 11:07 AM

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Double check to make sure your coils and injectors are getting power. Also make sure the crank and cam sensors are plugged in.

How long has the engine been sitting? Could have stuck injectors.

Hart_Rod 02-12-2014 11:38 AM

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Make sure the injectors and fuel pump are receiving a constant 12V while you are engaging the starter.

smartass12 02-12-2014 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6521966)
Double check to make sure your coils and injectors are getting power. Also make sure the crank and cam sensors are plugged in.

How long has the engine been sitting? Could have stuck injectors.

No clue how long the motor has been sitting...Was almost thinking of just buying new injectors because of that fact..Will check power next.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hart_Rod (Post 6522012)
Make sure the injectors and fuel pump are receiving a constant 12V while you are engaging the starter.

I will check that..Thanks

dec010974 02-12-2014 11:53 AM

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smartass12, no need to buy new fuel injectors, there is a product called Sea Foam. Submerge the fuel injectors for 24 hours and reinstall them. that's how I cleaned my injectors.

dec010974 02-12-2014 11:57 AM

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this stuff is sold at the auto parts store. Also is your PCM sending a fuel pump Signal?

smartass12 02-13-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dec010974 (Post 6522033)
this stuff is sold at the auto parts store. Also is your PCM sending a fuel pump Signal?

ill try that first then.. Also is it safe to assume the PCM is sending signal if the pump kicks on for the two seconds when the key is switched on or is it better to check for signal as engine is being cranked over?

dec010974 02-13-2014 09:18 PM

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when you turn the key, and the fuel pump turns on for two seconds, then turns off your, then you are on the road to LSX freedom. Also, when you turn on the key power, (+12v Switch), things such as coil packs, MAF sensor, injectors, O2 sensors, Tranny, and Tac Module/foot pedal should have power. the above listed items are waiting for the PCM to send ground to operate them in proper PCM Fashion.

smartass12 02-18-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dec010974 (Post 6524499)
when you turn the key, and the fuel pump turns on for two seconds, then turns off your, then you are on the road to LSX freedom. Also, when you turn on the key power, (+12v Switch), things such as coil packs, MAF sensor, injectors, O2 sensors, Tranny, and Tac Module/foot pedal should have power. the above listed items are waiting for the PCM to send ground to operate them in proper PCM Fashion.

The fuel pump NOW does just that. So in terms of the others having power does that mean i can check for power at there respected connectors with the key on?

ls1nova71 02-18-2014 11:09 AM

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Yes. ;)

BR3W CITY 02-18-2014 03:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smartass12 (Post 6511054)
Then that is how ill do it.

If you are still planning on doing or re-doing the battery in back, you can take a look at what we did on my 66 in our video.


smartass12 02-20-2014 10:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BR3W CITY (Post 6532178)
If you are still planning on doing or re-doing the battery in back, you can take a look at what we did on my 66 in our video.

Optima Battery Relocation in Lsx 66 C10 - REV J HD - YouTube

thanks for the info. i did already move it to the rear.

littlevictories 02-20-2014 11:43 AM

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lol, welding cat


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