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62 Barnfind 09-11-2016 04:57 PM

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Truck is looking good! What size brake line did you use?

Northwest Outlaw 09-12-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by metalprelude (Post 7709826)
I bought a 61 two months ago with almost identical engine and problems. I'm watching your posts as each of the changes, repairs, and upgrades you make are certainly the items I'm planning. I had a front wheel fall-off while driving last weekend so the brakes, spindles, booster, and MC are my next items. Did you have good luck with the Summit parts you ordered? Did you have any problems with the pushrods length or the brake pedal length bottoming-out?

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Originally Posted by 62 Barnfind (Post 7709932)
Truck is looking good! What size brake line did you use?

Thanks guys. It's always encouraging to have other looking on and rooting me on. Hopefully my progress isn't too slow for you all, I know i'd love it to be going faster!
As for the new spindle and brake parts from McGaughys (thru summit) I am very pleased with them so far. Since I haven't been able to rode test them, that whole "no engine" problem...I can't give a full report. As for install and fitment they were great. One problem with the disc brake kit was I got a bad rubber brake line that leaked. McGaughys' customer service was quick to supply a replacement part and all is well.
The MC and booster came from a 1976 C10, according to the man off craigslist. Because the MC and booster were already together there wasn't any push rod issue between them. I did have to add an extension to the push rod to reach the brake pedal; i used some threaded rod and a coupling nut.
Running the brake lines went much quicker than I anticipated. I used the old lines as "jigs" to bend the new lines and used 3/8 line for everything. The original had 1/4 running from the MC to the front lines and then down to 3/8 to the rear. The new MC is dual reservoir so 3/8 "should be plenty" according to my parts guy at Roxbury Auto Parts.
As for stopping power, they hold the truck still with me trying to push it! that's all the testing i've been able to do until i get the drive train put back in. Which should be soon, but not soon enough.
Thanks again to all who are following this build, even if it's just for a good laugh at an amateur busting his knuckles. So far i'm having more fun than i thought a truck project would be

61_FL_Apache 09-13-2016 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwest Outlaw (Post 7710991)
Thanks guys. It's always encouraging to have other looking on and rooting me on. Hopefully my progress isn't too slow for you all, I know i'd love it to be going faster!
As for the new spindle and brake parts from McGaughys (thru summit) I am very pleased with them so far. Since I haven't been able to rode test them, that whole "no engine" problem...I can't give a full report. As for install and fitment they were great. One problem with the disc brake kit was I got a bad rubber brake line that leaked. McGaughys' customer service was quick to supply a replacement part and all is well.
The MC and booster came from a 1976 C10, according to the man off craigslist. Because the MC and booster were already together there wasn't any push rod issue between them. I did have to add an extension to the push rod to reach the brake pedal; i used some threaded rod and a coupling nut.
Running the brake lines went much quicker than I anticipated. I used the old lines as "jigs" to bend the new lines and used 3/8 line for everything. The original had 1/4 running from the MC to the front lines and then down to 3/8 to the rear. The new MC is dual reservoir so 3/8 "should be plenty" according to my parts guy at Roxbury Auto Parts.
As for stopping power, they hold the truck still with me trying to push it! that's all the testing i've been able to do until i get the drive train put back in. Which should be soon, but not soon enough.
Thanks again to all who are following this build, even if it's just for a good laugh at an amateur busting his knuckles. So far i'm having more fun than i thought a truck project would be

Subscribed till your done!! Keep up the good work!!

Northwest Outlaw 11-21-2016 07:31 PM

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Project Update October and November 2016:
Engine and Trans are installed and bolted in for the last time (fingers crossed).
Threw on a new starter, oil filter, rotor/cap/points, spark plugs and wires, alternator and headers (switch to block huggers since the last picture cause the long tubes i had weren't clearing the frame on the drivers side). The torque converter was a little tricky as I had to re-thread one of the bolt holes, saved by Helicoil. My buddy wasn't around to help this time, so i risked the solo install with my sketchy cherry picker (two wheels don't rotate and one doesn't spin...) here is the video: https://youtu.be/61QrMdg9BKE

Once the engine was in I remembered that I still needed to drill two holes for each engine mount. Luckily i was able to lift the engine up high enough to get the drill under without having to pull it all back out! My buddy did make me some slick 3/4" aluminum spacers so I could use the old mounts. There was enough clearance above the cross member to low mount the alternator on the driver's side. At some point i'll think about upgrading to power steering and will have to relocate it.
The new wiring harnesses came from ClassicParts.com (http://www.classicparts.com/Wiring-H.../products/205/) I had to use the '63 version since i now have an alternator not a generator. The plugs match and everything has a place to go so i'm thinking it's going to work out fine. The previous-previous owner did quite the hack job on the wiring so i'm sure i'll run into some problems under the dash, but at least the engine bay looks super clean!
A spark plug wire kit from JEGS (http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performan...40200/10002/-1) allowed me to cut the wires to lengths i wanted. One of the header tubes was running tight against the number 3 plug so i had to break out "the persuader" and make room for the plug boot. I'm hoping the high temp boots do well as they are still a little closer to the headers than i'd like.
As I expected there are lots of little things that I wasn't able to foresee as i'm trying to button up this swap. The Edlebrok intake doesn't have the same mounting location for the automatic-mechanical choke, so now I have to figure out what to do about that. Making progress forward and it now looks a lot closer with an engine sitting in it!

Joe Pass 11-21-2016 11:43 PM

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nice work...

Northwest Outlaw 01-04-2017 07:39 PM

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SHE'S ALIVE!!!
https://youtu.be/txtKBJ_lQXc
After spending a couple weekends getting a bunch of little things buttoned up on the engine, and a small break for Christmas back home with the folks, I had my buddy Erik come back over to help get things fired up. I was hopeful that i was within a day's worth of work from getting the engine started, but only about 60%. It was probably a combination of doubt in my wrenching skills and managing my expectations.
I had thrown the old radiator back on just for this as i'm going to order a new 3-row champion aluminium rad with trans cooler, but the new one has the same inlet and outlet placements and sizes so I pick up new hoses.
Once we poured some new gas in the tank and finished off the last of the wiring to the battery and starter, I was sure i would have get under the dash and fix what the P.O. had done in there (see previous posts to witness the wire nests I've had to deal with). On Erik's advice "lets see if it works as it should and then track down any problems" I turned the key and she cranked! She cranked and cranked and cranked and cranked...
Drained one battery but luckily i had another, sitting in a '75 f100 i had recently picked up, and we threw it in. Gas started showing up in the in-line filter so we knew the pump was working, but we were helping out by giving her a little extra shot straight down the throat. After getting a bunch of backfires, Erik popped open the distributor cap and my novice skills presented themselves. I had installed the distributor 180 out. We flipped that thing around and she fired up on the first crank! In the video it sounds off at first because we forgot to put the #1 spark plug back in after finding TDC.
Erik spent 15 min fiddling with the carb, swearing the whole time at the Rochester Quadrajet and how i should get a holley. He was able to get the idle to a decent spot.
Such a good feeling to have a running truck! well, the engine runs. I still need a drive shaft, new radiator and exhaust before she's street worthy.
For all his help, and his Christmas gift I made the saw for him.

61_FL_Apache 01-04-2017 08:43 PM

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Sounds great! Nothing better than the first start!

The1960APE 01-05-2017 03:42 PM

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Congratulations on the fire up!!! No matter how many times I experience it, the thrill is always incredible! Good work man!

realvc 01-13-2017 08:06 PM

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Congrats. on your truck.
I just found your thread looking for info. on mounting the power brake booster on a 62.

My plan is to use everything I can from an 82 donor.
Thanks for a great write up on your fine truck, well done.

Northwest Outlaw 01-17-2017 06:22 PM

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Continuing to make steps forward, getting closer to a drive-able truck again. A running engine isn't much good without a throttle control, so i ordered some Mr. Gasket Carburetor Linkage Standard Ball Joints and whipped one out real quick! Luckily it didn't require anything crazy, just one rod from the stock pedal armature to the Quadrajet and a return spring. Took a cue from Roadkill Garage and used a zip-tie for one of it's million uses to get the right length of rod. I left some play for adjustment if needed.
Also got the back wheels on. I had to use 1.5" spacers to get the 245s to sit centered in the wheel wells. Spacers aren't the "right way to do that" i know, but for temporary wheels and tires off craigslist for cheap it will do the job until i can order some Detroit Steel wheels with the correct backspacing.
My new Champion 3 core radiator should be arriving tomorrow, i'll take the drive shaft in for shortening and balance and then I just need to button up a few hoses to the th400 before her first test drive.

mud.man.rj 01-18-2017 12:25 AM

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Congrat's, your making a lot of progress, wheels fit nice.

Northwest Outlaw 02-07-2017 04:49 PM

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NEW RADIATOR!!!
Ordered the bolt in replacement radiator from Champion Radiators. Its a fully welded, aluminum, 3-core with built in trans cooler and it fit right into place with only a minor trimming for the petcock. The first one delivered had been man-handled by FedEx and had a bent mounting bracket and the corner was smushed in just enough to make me uncomfortable. A quick call to Champion and they shipped a replacement right away.
Not wanting to waste a free Saturday in the garage, i picked up some 5/16 hard line and bent them for trans cooler lines. Lessons learned: i need a better tube bender and it would have been much easier to run the line before the engine was in!
Fast forward a week and the new rad arrived Friday afternoon (with much more protective packing foam this time) and went in Saturday. Since it was made for my truck specifically it fit right into place, almost. The petcock was moved from the passenger side to the driver's side and was bumping against the lower radiator shield. Once that was notched out a 1/2" i was ready to hook up all the lines and hoses. Needing only some slight massaging, the hard lines I bent the week before worked great.
Some other little bits of progress included replacing an eye sore chrome water filler neck with a black one to match the engine, cause looking good is really what it's all about. I also ran the old manual choke cable to the carb, which is set up for a mechanical choke. After swapping out the stock intake to the Edlebrock Performer I realized the choke actuator wouldn't work any more. So the temporary fix is to revert back to manual choke operations.

realvc 02-07-2017 05:57 PM

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WAY TO GO!!!
Congrats. on the new rad. install.

61_FL_Apache 02-07-2017 08:02 PM

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I did the same in my 61 and it worked perfect!! Looks great!

metalprelude 02-20-2017 02:44 PM

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Looking at the drop spindles and disc brake conversion that you picked-up from Summit. I have 15 inch, 6 lug steel rims and am a little worried about the wheel's clearance of the caliper. Did you have any issues?

rvrfoot 02-20-2017 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by metalprelude (Post 7864367)
Looking at the drop spindles and disc brake conversion that you picked-up from Summit. I have 15 inch, 6 lug steel rims and am a little worried about the wheel's clearance of the caliper. Did you have any issues?

I was told by brothers trucks that the stock steel wheels will not work.

Northwest Outlaw 02-21-2017 02:19 PM

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Looking at the drop spindles and disc brake conversion that you picked-up from Summit. I have 15 inch, 6 lug steel rims and am a little worried about the wheel's clearance of the caliper. Did you have any issues?

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I was told by brothers trucks that the stock steel wheels will not work.

If you read all the info on the spindle/disc brake kit there is one line that reads "suggested wheel diameter: 17"
I did not see this when i ordered and was hoping to use a set of stock steelies while i saved up for the Detroit Steel Wheels that i ultimately will use. When i got the kit I set the disc rotors and calipers inside the 15" wheel and they just barely fit (pic 1). I found the 17" black wheels im using now on CL for stupid cheap with basically brand new rubber. They work, but also just barely. The deeper back spacing pulled the lower ball joint into the wheel but because of the larger wheel diameter it was ok. (pic 2 the angle is weird but there is clearance of the ball joint)
I would suggest bigger wheels if you use this kit. If you're set on the stock wheels you may be able to get a smaller rotor that works on the spindle, but you'd have to call McGaughys to find out for sure

HugoV 02-21-2017 02:39 PM

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Looking good man! I'm also in the Seattle area and am currently doing a frame off on my 64'. Let me know if you ever want to get together and wrench some or just swap ideas about our builds. I'll be starting my build thread soon!!

Northwest Outlaw 02-21-2017 02:49 PM

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February 11th Update: Transmission tunnel repair time.
At some point in the truck's life, a blind 5 year old with a chainsaw tried to open up a place in the trans tunnel for a shifter. Needless to say, that workmanship was less than sub-par and needed to be addressed, aesthetically and for the fact that i'm not Fred Flintstone and don't need to put my feet through the floor! Once again "that buddy", Hotrod Erik, came down to help me fix the problem. We borrowed my neighbor's welder, cut out the hacked up mangled mess and replaced it. Hotrod Erik's previous life as a fabricator/metal worker came in quite handy as he recreated the step flange to match the cab floor's shape perfectly. After tacking it in he let me handle filling the seams around the patch panel. I haven't welded in years, and even back then it was minimal and well supervised by smarter people. I'm please with the result though.
Finding a high hump trans tunnel isn't the easiest, or cheapest, thing to do so i figured that I'd make my own. The truck is no where near a restoration project and i like the idea of putting my own touches on her. Using what we believe was part of an old car's roof, I traced out the template Erik made and cut, bent, trimmed, drilled, bent, re-bent, trimmed, cut and massaged the tunnel replacement into place. I wanted to retain the ability to access the top of the transmission/shift-linkage and made the new tunnel to fit and bolt into the same place as a stock tunnel would. The large radius just happened to be a match to the driveshaft i had just got back and the smaller curve was made with a pipe from an old chainlink fence gate. Who says you need the "right tools" to get a job done!
With this work done and a new driveshaft on hand there is very little standing in the way of driving...

Northwest Outlaw 02-21-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HugoV (Post 7865468)
Looking good man! I'm also in the Seattle area and am currently doing a frame off on my 64'. Let me know if you ever want to get together and wrench some or just swap ideas about our builds. I'll be starting my build thread soon!!

That would be great man! I'd love to meet up and get more connected with others in the community. Once the Boomstick is road worthy we'll have to set up a time a place to grab a beer

HugoV 02-21-2017 04:18 PM

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That would be great man! I'd love to meet up and get more connected with others in the community. Once the Boomstick is road worthy we'll have to set up a time a place to grab a beer

Sounds good! I am just finishing up my chassis and should have a roller in the next few days. I hope to complete the frame off restomod by Sept./Oct. Let me know when you want to grab a beer.

Northwest Outlaw 02-21-2017 04:52 PM

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February 20th Update: Running and DRIVING!
The day everyone dreams of, a day that lives in our memory forever, the day the wife never thought would happen. The first drive of my first major car project.
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Having President's Day off from work and all the parts i needed, it was time to make this project a driver again. The last part i needed was the driveshaft that would fit between the th400 and the rear differential. Drivelines NW was the shop that everyone recommended and they got the job done. Cut to length and balanced, plus new u-joints on both ends. The driveshaft came as a "bonus" when i got the truck, along with the th400 and a seized small block, all of which came from a mid 70's truck according to the serial numbers on the block. I brought the driveshaft from the '61 with me to the shop and they were able to measure for the correct size u-joint to connect to the rear diff. With a new set of straps for the front u-joint the installation was a piece of cake.
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A few other items were quickly crossed off the list; a better alternator bracket so it didn't shake, "fill" the trans with fluid (i'll explain in a minute), slap on some temporary exhaust flex pipes, reinstall the seat and hood (neither super easy by myself) and finally clean out the bed and windshield from a year+ worth of dust and garbage collection.
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With everything i could think of prepped, i started her and warmed up the engine. She still runs a little rough and needs some more tuning/adjustment to the idle mix and timing.
Since this is the first time i've ever attempted anything like this, and i was flying solo today, i was on the nervous side. I set up some wood blocks about 6' behind the truck so i wouldn't roll into the neighbor's cars if there was a catastrophic failure. With the engine warmed up I jumped in and shifted into reverse, maybe...or neutral...oh yeah there it is, reversing slowly, brakes work and we're stopped. Letting her idle a few seconds in park i reveled in my accomplishment; reversing for a whole 5'. It felt great.
Drive didn't seem to catch so i used 1st and rolled forward. Ok good, i can go backwards, forwards and i can stop. After repeating this twice more i figured we were ready for the alley.
Backing out of a garage door that is only 10" wider than your truck, into an alley with neighbor's cars really close, with a fresh engine and tranny swap and not having power steering makes you a really cautious driver. Luckily i had done this a few times when the truck had the inline 6 so i knew what the pattern was. Now that i was lined up and pointed down the alley I dropped her back into 1st and drove 100', then backed up, then drove it again. The brakes are spongy, the idle is rough and stalled out a time or two, and the trans hesitated going into gear, but i was driving a truck that i had pulled the engine out of and replaced with a V8! I felt like a bonafide hotrodder.
Killing the engine and starting it a bunch of times finally trained the battery (sidenote, i need to check and make sure the charging system is working). My neighbor was home and able to give me a quick jump and i pulled the Boomstick back into the garage after her maiden voyage. I claimed the day a major Win.
After talking with Hotrod Erik he informed me that i didn't use enough trans fluid and that was causing the shift delay. I poured 6 more quarts in for a total of 12 and the dipstick reads full. Quicky internet research had only given me the pan capacity, not the whole system capacity. I can't wait to get more time behind the wheel

realvc 02-21-2017 06:43 PM

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Congrats. on the first drive of you hot rod truck.

61_FL_Apache 02-21-2017 07:44 PM

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Congrats. on the first drive of you hot rod truck.

2nd that!!:metal:

mud.man.rj 02-22-2017 07:32 PM

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Good for you, nice to finally get it out for a short rip.
Mudman.

metalprelude 02-25-2017 01:29 PM

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Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions about your brakes and providing pictures. That level of detail is extremely helpful.

Northwest Outlaw 02-27-2017 02:08 PM

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Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions about your brakes and providing pictures. That level of detail is extremely helpful.

Absolutely man, that's what we're all here for. I knew just about nothing when I first started this build and have gathered a ton of knowledge from the guys and girls here. It feels good to be able to share what little i know when i can.
After a few test drives I have found another thing to point out with the front wheels, backspacing. The wheels i have are running about 6.25" BS and while they mount up and clear everything while straight, at full left and right steering there is scraping. The bolts on the lower ball joint scrape the inside of the wheel. I think i'll be able to adjust the torsion bars and change the angle just enough to get clearance. Just another thing to think about

Northwest Outlaw 03-17-2017 02:48 PM

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Started work on the new exhaust system. Took some time to model up the 1961 X-Frame and get an idea for routing the 2.5" pipe and placement options for the crossover pipe and Thrush Welded mufflers. Spent another 2 hours laying under the truck pulling pieces of the Speedway DIY Exhaust Kit in and out to get a real layout of angles and measurements. I should start making cuts and getting a full mock up this weekend.

metalprelude 03-18-2017 01:33 PM

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Looks awesome. What software are you using to mock-up the frame and exhaust path?
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Started work on the new exhaust system. Took some time to model up the 1961 X-Frame and get an idea for routing the 2.5" pipe and placement options for the crossover pipe and Thrush Welded mufflers. Spent another 2 hours laying under the truck pulling pieces of the Speedway DIY Exhaust Kit in and out to get a real layout of angles and measurements. I should start making cuts and getting a full mock up this weekend.


Northwest Outlaw 03-20-2017 01:09 PM

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Looks awesome. What software are you using to mock-up the frame and exhaust path?

Our office, an architecture firm, uses a program called Vectorworks, it's very similar to AutoCAD. I found 3D models of our truck for free online and then used the 1961 shop drawings to rebuild the frame to match my '61. Check out the next post to see how things matched up to reality once i started cutting up the pieces. I will say that having modeled the path way was very helpful once i was working on my back under the truck

Northwest Outlaw 03-27-2017 04:26 PM

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Finished up the new exhaust system. https://youtu.be/XyORTgEMcdA
The kit was really easy and fun to use, piecing the pipes together and figuring out where i would need to make my own cuts for the correct routing. The "X-frame" under these years, 1960-62 only i believe, and Torsion-Bar suspension, '60-61, didn't really leave me anywhere to run the exhaust pipes in/through the frame zone. Luckily i hadn't lowered the truck too far to still run under the chassis and keep enough clearance.
From the headers i dropped down right along the frame until the back side of the trans pan, 45 angle towards the center and another 45 to straighten back out. The driver's side has an extra kick out to allow access to the oil filter, something i'm glad i realized now and not later. Both sides came together just behind the trans, then I had to carefully route the paired pipes under the t-bar cross member, as the lowest point on the chassis, which in the end still left 7" clear from ground to exhaust at ride height. With my x-pipe tucked just below the drive shaft tunnel in the x-frame, i was able to slightly angle the exhaust pipes on either side on the driveshaft and start the climb up to wrap over the rear axle. Setting the mufflers vertical and using the offset inlet/outlet to gain height over the axle, the last piece was a 45 angled down between the axle and panhard bar.
With all the pieces cut and fitted together, held by duct tape, i double and triple check the routing before tack welding the pipes. Starting with the header to x-pipe sections, i would tack the pipes, pull them out and run a full weld around each seam. To get the right angle to level out the path, just before the x-pipe i sliced the straight sections about 90% through and then bent the pipe until the opening closed. The thick cutoff wheel i used was the perfect dimension to create the angle. Once the front sections were each welded i placed them back under the truck, bolted to the headers and positioned them correctly while attached to the x-pipe. Tack, tack tack and pulled the whole things out to weld the seams. Repeated that process for the back half and i had myself an exhaust!
The mufflers i decided to clamp in place so that i could have the option to replace them without cutting welds. I also plan on running a few more pieces to get all the way past the rear bumper, once i get around to replacing that. For now dumping right behind the axle will be just fine.
Sprayed all the pipe with black BBQ paint, rated to 1200 degrees, and wrestled the whole contraption under the truck and into place. Fought one bolt on the driver's side collector and ended up having to unbolt the header, secure all three collector bolts, and then bolt the header back on. The passenger side was much easier. Clamped the mufflers on and the last little kickers over the axle, then installed hangers from the last frame cross member, right after the mufflers. When i tried shaking the pipes there was very little movement.
It was about 745 on Saturday evening when I got her set back on the ground and fired up the engine to hear my handiwork. She roared to life with a throaty rumble that made me think of all the best sounding cars i've heard before. At idle she has lumpy growl, the engine probably needs to be tuned better, and when she revs up you can feel the power. I'm pleased with outcome and am listening closely for any leaks, which i'm sure i'll find.

61_FL_Apache 03-27-2017 06:58 PM

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Sweet!! Nice job!

Northwest Outlaw 04-10-2017 07:50 PM

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^Bright lights after replacing with some LED bulbs (http://a.co/7VMIsYI)

The alternator wasn't charging. It was only reading 11.9-12.5v at both the battery and alternator positive post. After making sure all my grounds were good, wiring was all going to the right places and doing a bunch of research i was able to find the problem. I'm using a Front Wiring harness for a 1963 truck since that's when they started using alternators. The firewall plug is the same so i was hoping that it would work seamlessly. Well the external voltage regulator needs a 12v feed from the ignition switch, this doesn't exist in the 1961 dash wiring harness, at least not on mine. So first i tried to make a patch of my own by running a wire from the Front Harness to the ignition switch. It gave the regulator power alright, enough to start it smoking after about 5 seconds when the key was turned to "On". In the end I figured that now that i knew what the issue was i should just go with what everyone told me to do in the first place. I picked up the internally regulated, single wire alternator and it works like a champ. After removing the now unnecessary alternator wires from the harness i wound it back up with electrical tape and you can't even tell it was modified.
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With that problem fixed, i took the rest of Sunday afternoon and drove around the neighborhood. Driving video: https://youtu.be/tNjguboyxIs
She makes a lot of noises while driving, most of which is the bed hardware bouncing around but there are a few clanks and clunks that i'll be investigating. The exhaust note is really nice.
I have a month and a half to get ready for the first road trip, a 3 hour drive from Seattle to Manson, WA for their annual Rat Rod Show.

Northwest Outlaw 04-17-2017 01:02 PM

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Having a driver is so much more fun than the truck sitting in the garage!
I've been able run a few errands with her and its a blast, but the work is far from done. This pic is a recreation of the first time i had the truck at my parts shop, a year and eight months ago!
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With the new alternator i wanted to be able to monitor the charging system so I replaced the P.O.'s ammeter with a Sunpro Voltmeter. The dash cluster was already "modified" by one of the previous owners putting in Sunpro Water Temp, Oil Pressure and Ammeter gauges. The installation was less than good looking, making any new modification easy to swallow since i'm not ruining a good original piece. The truck did come with a spare cluster that is still stock and complete in case i ever want to go back to that. I also installed a Sunpro Super Tach II to keep an eye on the RPMs. I hung this from the bottom of the dash just under the ignition key and it's pretty well hidden when you look in the driver's window but easy to read while driving.
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After installing and testing the new gauges, i lost my headlights! After some investigation i was able to trace the problem to a burnt out headlight switch. Hopefully it's a simple replacement and nothing else was hurt. I hear there is a "headlight relay mod" that a lot of people do to avoid this exact thing so i'll be researching that. While i was working on the lighting circuits i replaced a bunch of hack-job splices in the tail light harness and got my passenger side brake and signal light working.
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realvc 04-17-2017 05:07 PM

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Way to go all round on your progress. Driving in your truck after all the time and effort to get it on the road again is a huge accomplishment.

I'm looking forward to getting mine on the road in the distant future.

Northwest Outlaw 04-26-2017 08:05 PM

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Pulled a grille from a junkyard donor and stole the “CHEVROLET” text insert. Pulled my grille off and painted all of it satin black, accent color 1 of choice for all exterior trim. Outlined the letters with One Shot Red, accent color 2. Next ill pain the bumper and hood inserts black with some red pin stripes.

Northwest Outlaw 04-26-2017 08:09 PM

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Armed with a new headlight and dimmer switch I tackled my lack of headlights. Not only do I want to replace the broken switches but I also learned that a headlight relay mod in these old trucks is very helpful. So again I turned the forum and found about a dozen posts about doing the relay upgrade and it looked fairly simple. By using a relay to pull power straight from the battery you’re able to run brighter lamps and don’t need to worry about the headlight switch burning out.
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With a quick test to confirm that the new switches fixed my problem I moved on to adding the relays. I mounted them next to my Horn Relay and pulled the constant 12v power from there and then ran the ground wires all the way to the frame. Cutting my brand new wiring harness was a little nerve wracking, but it had to be done. Leaving as much wire as possible before the stock plug into the radiator support I maintained the correct color coding for headlight wires.
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A little snipping, stripping, soldering, crimping and heat shrinking and boom! I had working relays, for my low beams only… So I started checking all the leads and all my connections. Nothing was wrong. Why wasn’t I getting power to the high beams?! Finally I checked the main terminal in the fire wall and realized the high beam blade in the plug had be bent and wasn’t seating into it’s respectful location. Success!
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A bonus of replacing the headlight switch was that I got my dash lights back too! Even the high beam indicator works, which is a tiny little Chevy bowtie that lights up red, super cool. Lastly I installed a new dome light and license plate light. All lights are now working, except the front passenger blinker which has a bad socket.
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Since I have a pretty much complete working dash cluster now, I decided it needed to be pulled out and painted. The water temp gauge doesn’t have a disconnect on the sender wire, so I had to pull the sender unit from the head and thread the whole thing back through the cab to get the cluster out. I disassembled the cluster and the gauges. There is a clear plexiglass piece with all the lettering and speedo numbers painted on the back. I cleaned that really well and got rid of a bunch of fogginess. Next is a thin stamped aluminum sheet that was black on the front and light green on the back. This serves to reflect the light and make the original gauges glow, so I painted that and rest of the cluster housing white to reflect better. The front of the dash plate got sprayed red to match the exterior accents. Using pinstripe tape I masked off the speedometer face and needle and hit that with satin black to match the exterior trim. Honestly it turned out a lot better than I thought.
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Other work done was replacing the valve cover gaskets to stop the oil leaks, drained the extra fluid from the transmission to stop it from leaking, and added 1/4” spacers to the front wheels to stop the rims from scraping the control arms when turned all the way.
Im having a blast driving her every couple days.

realvc 04-27-2017 06:35 AM

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Some more great updates/repairs. Way to go!

mud.man.rj 04-27-2017 11:38 PM

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And, your using it, good for you. Enjoy the truck.
Mudman.

Northwest Outlaw 05-01-2017 05:18 PM

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Longest drive yet, 16 miles! Friday after work decided to take a longer drive than my typical neighborhood loop or run to the auto parts. I know 16 miles isn't a real test, but it was the longest, furthest and fastest i've driven the Boomstick yet. So i was excited to pull back into the garage with all the gauges where they should be, 170 degree temp, 30-40 psi oil pressure and constant 14+ volts. The best part was the stretch of road where i got her cruising at 50-55 mph, she handled it like a dream.

A few issues are still needing to be worked out. The biggest is my front wheels and there backspacing. Whenever there is a sudden jolt in the front suspension, pot hole or dip in the road, there is a teeth clenching sudden screech. I'm pretty sure its the lower control arm slamming into the inside of the rim. The wheels have about 6.5" of backspacing and are super close to the control arm. Gonna play with some spacers to see if i can push them out enough to clear.

Also hearing a noise from the front passenger brake when applying pressure. It sounds like something is rubbing a the speed of the wheel, but only when i'm on the brake, as soon as i let off it goes away. the rotor is clean and doesn't show a scrapes or grooving as if a rock was in there. I'll have to pull wheel and investigate further.

On saturday a neighbor was getting rid of some plywood, so i grabbed it and made a temporary bed. The weathered, used and aged look of the sheets fit perfectly with the look of the truck. And having a "solid" bed without all the metal straps and bolts clanking around make driving a much quieter experience. I use the extra bed fenders for the templates and some new carriage bolts. It's a good solution until i can do a proper wood bed.

I also rewired the ignition switch to the dash wire harness. the PO had, as with many other locations, done a shoddy job of crimping and extending the wires, so i got everything soldered and shrink wrapped and it looks a ton better under the dash.
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