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It may be easyer to re skin but i'm gonna see about that entry to the goat rodeo first and then decide, its something about the thinner gauge metal i don't like..

I'm thinking Tabco panels if i do as i hear they are suppose to be the same thickness, naturally i learned that after ordering the stuff i have. I need to check into this.

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So nothing much done this morning but a little thinking ect.. Had to run across town and killed my morning.

The doors are suppose to have a compound curve so front to back is about 1/4 to 3/8" higher in the middle than it is front and back, i posted earlier about how the upper skin popped inward when i made my first cut, i just put a straight edge on it and its pretty much flat until it gets to the front and back edges..

Trying to figure out how i could possibly get the remaining skin to curve out a little before i try and weld in my patch, if i pull it its tight so no oil canning. Would slow and careful shot blasting the outter skin stretchit enough to raise the skin to make that contour or would that just be a waste of time?

I did notice both of my doors don't ( or didn't ) have a true contour front to back at the body line, the back half is convex, the front half is concave.

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I'm following along. Unfortunately I can only offer moral and not technical support. But I like what ya doin and keep up the good work!

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Thanks for the support, much appreciated!


I have had a super busy week and have had no time to work on the truck, or get good sleep for that matter, this weekend is also a no go. what time i have had has been spent researching and bugging a few people for ideas ect, i have a plan of attack now so hope to give it a go next week.


In the mean time i cant remember where to order EASB Easy Grind wire in .024in a 5 lb spool, i found .034 on amazon but want the smaller dia. can someone point me to a place i can mail order some? Thanks!

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You know how pretty our welds are so that's what HF wire can get cha! :lol:

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Sorry no picture on this one.. can get later if someone needs to look.

I started working on the door again Monday I roughed the repair panel down close to the body line and the first thing i noticed is the repair panel folds (at 90 deg) are about 3/16 wider than the folds on the stock door skin, i know the folds on the door skin are slightly wider than the inner shell.

If i fold the repair panel at the existing fold then it will end up being too wide, do you body guys actually use a hammer and dolly to bump that fold in further to match the existing skin?

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So being as i didn't buy lower inner's for the doors i went to work on the lower corner, i cut the rust back a bit and wire brushed, then i had to figure out how to shape the end of the triangle, i got a piece of wood and my little wood router and did a rough triangle the same size as the door, then i hammered out a patch panel and welded it in.

Then i took the rest of the paint off the bottom of the door and treated the remaining rust.

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Now for the bad news... I was working yesterday and noticed a little splatter that looked like it could have been moisture coming thru my dremel on my work bench, i had to leave for work so i drained the water trap on the manifold and left, today i was working and i realized that that splatter is still there and its worse!

Further investigation made my heart sink, my life time investment has a blown shaft seal... I didn't find it yesterday because it was the back side of the compressor... Guess i need to call Quincy tomorrow to figure out what to do, this was a purchase through Lowes that i didn't bother with the Lowes extended warrenty plan, now i wish i would have!

Sometimes ya just want to give up.....

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That is bummer. It should be covered under warrenty.

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The compressor repair guy is suppose to be out Tues or Weds.

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I'm assuming Quincy will cover it under warranty. Still, it sucks after all the research you did plus the $$$.

As for the cleanup, I use solvent for messes like this. The stuff I buy is hard to find (Hangsterfer's Ozonic 117) but any Varsol type product would work equally well. You can also get Wax and Grease remover from most places that sell paint and body supplies. Usually available in quarts or gallons.

For homemade wax and grease remover, mix one third isopropyl alcohol, one third acetone and one third water. Works great and the components are readily available.

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That is not good news on the compressor, but like most new things a little tweak/repair and it'll be good to go for a long time. Pressure gauge biffed it on our new compressor immediately. Couldn't wait for the replacement to get here so now I've got a spare.

Your rust repair work is progressing very nicely, keep up the good work!

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Yes absolutely under warranty, even the travel time and miles for the tech to get here, thankfully.

Before i read this post i got a bottle of Super Clean degreaser and a bunch of rags and wiped off my tools and work bench, Vic i knew painters used something before painting but couldn't remember what, Wax and grease remover.. LOL! I'll get some and make sure to wipe down the body stuff one last time before priming. :)

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Yea i sure hope your right, i don't think the pump has cycled but 50 times since i bought it, admittedly i hooked it up and it pretty much sat for a couple months cause i was sick of the winter.. Anyway i want to blast the rust off the inner door before i treat it and attach the skin, that speed blaster is small so easy to control.

I had to make room for the service tech so today my redneck car cover came down and the truck went back under the 10X20 cover, but not before i took the truck for a ride around the block with out the door on it, needed a cheap thrill i guess.

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That's how the real off roaders do it isn't it? :lol:

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Red Neck off roaders do it that way. No doors no tailgate pretty much anything with hinges just leave it off.

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Yes, yes they do.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l8...ps3vuki8fw.jpg

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My post in Facebook..

In bed at 2am, 3:30 up with acid reflux, alarm at 6:30, that damn repair compressor man better be at the moment the clock strikes 8am!

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The service tech was in my driveway at 7:45.. :) Turns out he used to work with the main service guy at the Quincy factory so as soon as he found the problem he was on the phone with the guy.

Ya know its hard for a seal to do its job when its not installed at the factory...... Yep you guessed it, the seal was non existent! the pic's even show the bearing with blue paint... After the service tech installed the seal he did an oil change, even added a ball valve on the drain for me at no charge, he also recommended that the compressor have a new valve kit installed in the pump as he felt there was a little too much crank case pressure coming out the crank vent, hopefully Quincy will cover that valve kit as well.

Part of me wants to fight for a new compressor due to shipping and running without the seal but i do know there units are really well built and the chances of anything larger than dust getting in are pretty slim. On a side note they can take any compressor number and trace the entire manufacture right down to the employee that should have installed the seal

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Glad this morning turned out to be a good experience.

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That's great the problem is just the seal. your lucky that you did not have to take some where to get fixed.

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So good, now it'll be good to go for a long time. BTW that was some great in home service it sounds like to me.

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That's a huge biff. I bet that dude feels like a dope when he gets called to the office...

Glad it's fixed and glad to hear of good customer service. That can be hard to find some times.

Back on the rat!

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Thanks guys! The company that came out normally works on much larger Quincy twin screw type stuff in industrial settings, he called my compressor a little compressor LOL!

The service tech did recommend that the valves (reed type? i forgot) be changed out and wrote that on the repair order, he's going to talk to his boss and then his boss will talk to Quincy about that, his reasoning is he did think there was slightly excessive crank pressure at the vent, but at least it was comming out of the vent! That got me wondering what else would cause crank pressure, if course piston ring blowby... I hope that whoever biffed on the seal didn't biff it on the piston rings too.. Lets hope not!

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I didn't get back to the 72 door today but instead i took a little road trip and picked up these 67 doors for my waiting in the wings 67 project.. the color is the same as the cab i picked up and real close to the longbed too.

Also about 2 weeks ago i ordered a spool of easb easy grind .023 wire, installed today, i cant believe i had a brain fart, i had bought a small spool of .023 wire long ago to start the body work, i forgot to change it out before i started on the gas filler and cover, not to mention the filler door... still had the .035 in it, Duh...

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Crazy deal about the seal on the compressor. It may have been assembled on a Monday. :)
Nice score on the doors.

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nice find on the doors. I did all my patches with .30 and .35 that is all my welder would fit. so Good luck George

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Hi George good to see ya round! best of luck with that engine.

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Ok i have been a little scarce, been working a bit of OT again and admittedly i have been fighting that 2nd shift rutt, cant fall asleep till past 2 every night ect..

But i have been researching and asking questions both in PM's and in the body and paint folder, following Vic's advice i found myself a small angle and put my shrinker (i bought a shrinker and stretcher last holiday season) on one leg and put a bit of a curve in it clamped it in place and drilled 5 holes and pop riveted it on (no Cleco's yet)

Then i started working the repair panel to size, now i never rolled an edge on a body panel before and was very concerned that i keep it straight so i improvised a little, i cut a piece of square stock to fit along the lower lip and clamped it in place and brought the lip to a 90 while keeping the radius consistent, now the next thing would make a body shop guy laugh his head off, with no other smaller angles to use i took a strip of oak and sanded a beveled edge to it then continued to roll the edge over in 3 stages sanding more of an angle every pass, stopped about 25-30 degrees, then i felt confidant that i could flatten it and not mess the edge up.

The inner door corner repair did change contour a bit so i had to bump the metal around to restore the contour the door had before i started, I also had to shrink the flange on the skin to match the door, i watched a video a while back and the guy traced contour templets so i did as well.

One of these day's i'll remember how to get the pic's in the correct order. :)

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Now whats left is I need to roll the front edge over and i'm still having to deal with that extra length it has, not too sure how nice its gonna look when i'm done, I still need to take the door out and blast the inside and treat the rust, but its been raining so hopefully this weekend.. once thats done i'll tack the skin in place and mount the door.

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I didn't read it all but I looked at the pictures and skimmed thru the thread. Pretty cool truck. My hats off to anyone who is willing to save an old K/20! I'll get you the part numbers as soon as the dang rain goes away!

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Thanks for stopping by!

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Working again this weekend, spending a little time with the wife before work.

I think what i'm gonna try on Monday is to mark where the fold should be and then start folding the edge over on the workbench first, then put it back on and tack it, then finish rolling the edge. I always thought that the skin was rolled tight on the inner edge of these doors so you would have something to roll the edge against, not the case at least with my truck.

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Mike,

You might want to check out this video. It's an Aussie demonstrating how to repair rusted corners on doors. Around the 12 min. mark, he begins to roll the lip on the patch over the door shell... similar to the technique for attaching a full door skin or patch panel. There are certainly other methods, most requiring more expensive tools, but carefully working with the right hammer and dolly can get the job done.

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Thanks for the link Vic, i know your pushing that deadline so doing my best not to keep asking you questions right now, my HF body kit has a similar dolley, just not sure about the shape on the tip of it being the same, i may wanna do a little fine tuning on that thing. I think i'll go back and read sevt chevelle's What's hiding in the tool box threads
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I have come to the conclusion that i wish our doors had a squair corner rather than the radiused corners, i think they are much easyer to work with. :)

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I have been stuck trying to figure how to have the skin mounted on the door and get some type of backing dolley in the correct place to reposition the skin edge while dealing with the inner shell flanges not being true to the required bend and also in the way of the dolley, i couldn't get outta the box so to speak... Some time later and a couple weekends of OT I read a thread where one of our resident body metal masters affixed a rear corner to the cab and the front bend was way off, so he marked it where it needed to be bent with tape, removed it first then hammer and dollied it over, probably holding it with his legs i assume, I finally had that light bulb moment, Well lets just take the skin off the door after marking the bend line with some tape, lay the skin on the bench and clamp it carefully and hold a dolly to it and hammer the edge over.... Such a simple thing....I feel like an idiot. :jest:

Now that said i was real careful about following my tape line but as it was being folded over it shortened the length of the skin a little, I should have known better, I tried to open it a little and massage it over but it wasn't cooperating so i guess when i do weld it on i'll have to add a little weld to the side of the skin and smooth it out.

I also sand blasted lightly on the rusty areas on the inner shell, discovered that the other inner corner needed to be replaced too so i got to try out the EASB .023 easy grind wire, i think this is going to help a lot. Still have to do some touch up before i remount the door and fit it all up.

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So as posted above i bought a small angle and used my shrinker to put a slight curve in it then drilled some holes and pop rivited it on place. I finally got to working in it the other day and i drilled some holes so i could weld the angle to the upper skin before joining the two skins together, i'm not sure why but i welded a couple holes on the end then drilled the pop rivet out and as soon as i removed the pop rivet the angle and skin separated, not sure why that happened, i decided to remove the angle and re clean it and the skin then put it back together, this time i welded 5 holes with the same result, still don't know why the weld wouldn't stick to the angle, it is magnetic, it was clean bare metal even on the back side of the skin, i'm left scratching my head, don't know if maybe its just a heat and feed setting but if i used much more i would have just burned holes in the skin i think...

So i decided to give up the angle approach and got out my little harbor freight butt weld clamps and ran a spot weld about every 3 inches across the skin, now i'm at the same place i was at with the gas door where i didn't planish the welds and the skin sunk in.. So I've been trying to figure out how i'm going to be able to back up the spot welds with a dolly and somehow reach around and swing a hammer on the skin side to planish the welds, man i'm just not seeing it, I'm looking at the inner opening and where i'd need to be to swing a hammer, the only thing i can think of would be to weld a handle onto a dolly and somehow maneuver the dolly in place, but even that seems like an impossibility looking at the inside opening.

EDIT: I did have a wet rag and cooled each spot weld completely before doing a second weld, something i didn't do on the gas door, wondering if this alone would keep the shrinkage at bay enough to not have to cut the inner open?

Now i'm thinking what may be the only viable alternative would be to cut a rectangle opening in the bottom of the door just large enough to get a dolly thru with a handle welded to it. Man i hate to cut into a perfectly good, rust free inner door bottom!

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Nice work!

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Would something like this work?

http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/spoo...FYOTfgoddVUASA

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It's a shame the angle piece didn't work out, Mike. As you're seeing, a long unsupported run of thin sheet metal is a bear to keep straight. Even when I weld a few short stretches and walk away, there's enough heat to warp the metal somewhat. Quenching the hot spots with water shrinks the metal, which is only a good thing if the area is crowned. I try to stay with the hammer and dolly until the last weld is done. Then use a shrinking disc or stud welder tip to heat the crowned spots and quickly quench with a cold wet rag. Some guys can work magic with an acetylene torch, but I always overdo it so I avoid that technique.

Sometimes access to the back of the panel with a dolly is a function of how the door is positioned. For instance, if I lay it flat on my scissor stands, the top is accessible, but the underside requires a triple jointed arm which I don't have. If, however, I stand the door on the top of the window frame and stand at one end or the other, I can comfortably reach both sides of the panel. At least I can hold a dolly on the inside and hammer on the outside. If I need to work out a low spot and have no room to swing a hammer I try to use wood blocks and a prybar. As a last resort I grab the stud welder and spot pull pins to the low area - which understandably isn't an option for everyone.

Just keep rubbing on it and work to get it close. For most of us, bondo is our friend. A true metal man can drastically reduce the amount of plastic filler needed, but I don't know anyone that can eliminate it completely.