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daverod 10-06-2009 10:23 PM
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Drained my transmission oil in the 64 found 3 parts of a hand grenade.:waah: I wonder if it's cheaper to pull it take it down and get it fixed or pull it and put in on from the junk yard. Guess I better go pull it out.;)Suck:lol: Think I should put in another 3 speed?

jgh64pkup 10-06-2009 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by padresag (Post 3555493)
as long as the axis of your external components run parallel to one another within a few degrees you are fine. the centre line of the eng and tran should be parallel to the cetre line of the pinion shaft to within those 3 degrees. the centreline of the eng and trans may sit 5" higher than than the pinion centreline. If you projected those centrelins past one another those lines should run parallel to one another.
next; sya that your vehicle is north and south and eng is north. pinion shaft is 1 1/2" to the right or east. the eng and trans centreline is straight N & S as is the pinion centreline. project those centrelines and they are running parallel to one another 1 1/2" apart. a d/shaft with a working ujoint on either end compensates for all this as long as they (the front and rear centreline are within certain parameters; 0-3 degrees of one another)
ron
im confused

daverod 10-06-2009 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jgh64pkup (Post 3555905)
im confused
Ya eh, is he talking magnitic north or true north.:lol: I'm thinking as long as the axle is straight and the engine is straight the driveline makes up the slack. As long as the angle coming out of the axle and the transmission are out of phase and set to around 3 degrees past magnetic northeast.:lol:

padresag 10-06-2009 10:50 PM
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maybe that is why your having a problem
ron

daverod 10-06-2009 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by padresag (Post 3555949)
maybe that is why your having a problem
ron
:smoke:Maybe thanks for trying to help though. I'm sure it's not my only problem.:canada: Born in Vernon BC. Only lived there a day though.

tiggamonsta 10-06-2009 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by daverod (Post 3555868)
... I wonder if it's cheaper to pull it take it down and get it fixed or pull it and put in on from the junk yard. Guess I better go pull it out.;)Suck:lol: Think I should put in another 3 speed?
If you plan to keep it, I would get it rebuilt. Getting one from the yard you do know what has been done to it. However if your long term plan is to replace it with something else, then go the cheapest route. Then again if it is really trashed then it may not be worth rebuilding.

Does this help? :lol:

daverod 10-06-2009 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggamonsta (Post 3555966)
If you plan to keep it, I would get it rebuilt. Getting one from the yard you do know what has been done to it. However if your long term plan is to replace it with something else, then go the cheapest route. Then again if it is really trashed then it may not be worth rebuilding.

Does this help? :lol:
Kinda. I guess I'll find out tomorrow when I see what they want for one from the yard. I have 3 auto transmissions sitting in my garage. I might put one of those in. I was just thinking what would be the easiest. The ones from the yard are guaranteed.:lol:

watahyahknow 10-07-2009 04:59 AM
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another thing about having one rebuild is that you can have them make it a little stronger
i agree with tiggamonster that you dont know wat a tranny from a junkyard been trough it might just be that the rebuild one on an exchange basis aspecially a 3 speed wont differ so mush with a yard one

MacAttack 10-07-2009 11:04 AM
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Yeah - bite the bullet and rebuilt the tranny with heavier stuff inside - then you can tromp on it without worrying.

On Ron's description - I kind of get it.

3 degrees maximum drive-line angle, I'm assuming - in any plane.

Tail shaft of transmission to pinion of rear end. Piece of string from centerline of each component - from one to the other: Maximum angle can't exceed 3 degrees.

These components must point directly (parallel) down the centerline of the vehicle however even if they're offset - if they don't, that will create a situation that increases possible vibration.

Mac. :mm:

padresag 10-07-2009 11:26 AM
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sorry, the driveshaft can run at a greater angle. the 0-3 degree variance is the alignment between the centreline of the engine and pinion or in other words the variance of the parallel lines
eg. look at the difference in d/shaft angle between a 4 x 4 and a 2 wheel dr. quite a difference. the alignment of the eng and pinion between both remain the same
ron

MacAttack 10-07-2009 11:31 AM
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;) Ah, now I get it - in the vertical more than 3 degrees is okay.

padresag 10-07-2009 12:26 PM
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yes and it can be offset to the side at the same time, as in the pinion being offset to one side. the ujoints should be sync also with one another for it to work properly.
the same if you have bag suspension and you can raise and lower the car at a whim. the d/shaft compensates through the ujoints
simple things can be quite complex at times even if the same theory has been used now for over 100 years
ron

daverod 10-10-2009 12:08 AM
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Been working on removing my 3 speed from my 64. I have it almost all the way out the problem is I can't seem to get it to clear the trans mount. It does come out the bottom right? I don't have to remove the trans hump do I? Are there any tricks to getting it out. I have removed the mounts. Can seem to get it the last inch?:waah:

ruffrida2005 10-10-2009 12:25 AM
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If you cant get it to clear the mount, take the mount out.

daverod 10-10-2009 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ruffrida2005 (Post 3560911)
If you cant get it to clear the mount, take the mount out.
I guess its not the mount it the cross member and its studded in not bolted. That would be to easy.

jgh64pkup 10-10-2009 09:44 AM
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take out the crossmember i think thats what ruffrida was saying
just get an air chisel and pop the rivets off then replace them with grade 8 bolts

Strodder 10-10-2009 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by daverod (Post 3560889)
Been working on removing my 3 speed from my 64. I have it almost all the way out the problem is I can't seem to get it to clear the trans mount. It does come out the bottom right? I don't have to remove the trans hump do I? Are there any tricks to getting it out. I have removed the mounts. Can seem to get it the last inch?:waah:
BFH, or do you have a Plasma Cutter. :haha:
Just kidding. I have no idea. :uhmk:

watahyahknow 10-10-2009 01:38 PM
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eeehmm maibe loosen the cab and raise it of the mounts a little

daverod 10-10-2009 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Strodder (Post 3561385)
BFH, or do you have a Plasma Cutter. :haha:
Just kidding. I have no idea. :uhmk:
It's 64 Chevy not Ford.:lol: I have a hard time believing I have to take the member out. I'm thinking just more time, more sweat clean some of the crap off it oh ya and a BFH.:lol: Plasma for christmas.

daverod 10-10-2009 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by watahyahknow (Post 3561410)
eeehmm maibe loosen the cab and raise it of the mounts a little
I was thinking that too.:uhmk:We'll see I think I just have to turn it just right.:uhmk:

ruffrida2005 10-10-2009 03:18 PM
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Dave while you have a chance now I would take it out like Gage said and put grade 8 bolts back in it. I would do that to every crossmember. Makes it a lot easier to work on when you need to. Just make sure you use loctite and lock washers.

daverod 10-10-2009 06:03 PM
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The tranmission is out. Taking it down tomorrow to see whats up. Came out easy when I took the bell housing off.:lol: Guess I better do somthing to the clutch too, eh.

daverod 10-10-2009 10:41 PM
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Do you think a 4 speed would be stronger than a 3 speed?:ito:

Captainfab 10-11-2009 12:08 AM
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I've not had a 3 speed, but the SM420's and SM465's are pretty damn tough.
You still only have 3 forward gears that you use most of the time, but you have the low 1st gear for those times when you need that extra low gear for pulling.


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Originally Posted by daverod (Post 3562170)
Do you think a 4 speed would be stronger than a 3 speed?:ito:

daverod 10-11-2009 02:08 PM
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The 3 speed I have is a 344. I never pull anything so I don't think a 4 speed would be any better, unless it's a lot stronger. Most the time with a 4 speed you take off in second anyway. :uhmk:

Strodder 10-11-2009 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by daverod (Post 3563052)
The 3 speed I have is a 344. I never pull anything so I don't think a 4 speed would be any better, unless it's a lot stronger. Most the time with a 4 speed you take off in second anyway. :uhmk:
You don't start out in 1st with these trannys. Your talking about a 4 speed transmission with a compound low.
http://www.nastyz28.com/chevy-manual...tification.php

daverod 10-11-2009 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Strodder (Post 3563151)
You don't start out in 1st with these trannys. Your talking about a 4 speed transmission with a compound low.
http://www.nastyz28.com/chevy-manual...tification.php
I would'nt I start out in 1st?:lol: What gear would I use?:ito:Relax it's bezel time again.

Strodder 10-11-2009 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by daverod (Post 3563206)
I would'nt I start out in 1st?:lol: What gear would I use?:ito:
First is the first gear you start out in, then shift into second, then third, and finally shift into the 4th position. That is 4th :haha: :haha:

Strodder 10-11-2009 08:02 PM
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Now if you can do that really fast you might churp the tires in second gear. :burnout:

Strodder 10-11-2009 08:02 PM
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I bet Gage can do it. :burnout: :haha:

daverod 10-11-2009 08:03 PM
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Did you say no beer? I was thinking just one might help to relax.:metal: I'm getting pumped. Bezel ,bezel, bezel. I ewas thinkinh maybe two on each side one set hooked up to a cut out and the other to the mufflers.:uhmk:

jgh64pkup 10-11-2009 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Strodder (Post 3563482)
I bet Gage can do it. :burnout: :haha:
yep i can do it with an automatic too :metal:
with a shift kit of course

daverod 10-12-2009 09:24 PM
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Started thinking about my front end parts. I want to get everything powder coated. I'm going with 2 1/2" dropped spindles and air bags. My cross member has been pancaked 1 1/2". Do you think I'll need to remove the rubber bumper and its bracket to lay frame. What about the shock mount location? Does this stay in the same location or will this also have to be moved? I'm also thinking about the steering. If I lay frame do I need to go with rack and pinion or can I do it some other way.:uhmk:

daverod 10-12-2009 09:48 PM
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Found these pictures of some steering stuff and stuff. Ruff have you any of your rack and pinion?http://www.thehollisterroadcompany.com/rackpinion.html

ruffrida2005 10-12-2009 10:05 PM
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I think you will still have to cut off the bump stop, since it sticks up over a 1 1/2" Best thing to do is just put it together and ley it on the floor. And about the steering look at the post before mine. I've sent you those pics before!

ruffrida2005 10-12-2009 10:07 PM
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check out my photobucket. http://s581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/ruffrida2005/

daverod 10-12-2009 10:07 PM
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Now I have to build stuff and rember too.:sumo: Good thing I kept my rear notch maybe I can use it in the front.

daverod 10-12-2009 10:10 PM
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Now that's more like it. All I wanted to know. Whats the diff between the mustang one and the pinto one? Is yours a mustang?

Strodder 10-12-2009 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by daverod (Post 3565565)
Started thinking about my front end parts. I want to get everything powder coated. I'm going with 2 1/2" dropped spindles and air bags. My cross member has been pancaked 1 1/2". Do you think I'll need to remove the rubber bumper and its bracket to lay frame. What about the shock mount location? Does this stay in the same location or will this also have to be moved? I'm also thinking about the steering. If I lay frame do I need to go with rack and pinion or can I do it some other way.:uhmk:
U need shorter shocks.

daverod 10-12-2009 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Strodder (Post 3565709)
U need shorter shocks.
Do they go in the same spots? Did I tell you I screwed up and fell asleep and missed out on some more bezels. Sold for like 60 bucks some used ones for 40 somthing. Woke up missed them by 15 min.


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