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VDOG 08-22-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hopped up (Post 5552505)
Hey vdog i think i see your prob . Hahahaha!!!what truck is that in?
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Thats in my new project, 68 GMC shortbed stepside. It was going to be a stickshift.

On another note, talked to a friend of mine who owns a shop and has a few hotrods around. He asked what year engine it was? He mentioned that once you figure out the year, then get the starter and flywheel for that year engine and stay away from Kragen/O'Reily starters. I know your from LA, Rotex is on 140th and Western Ave right before Rosecranse. I would get one from them once you know what you have. The 350 in my garage, when I ran the numbers for engine size, it comes up a 327/350, either or.

hopped up 08-23-2012 12:42 AM

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I usually go to a starter place in Compton to rebuild my starters. They're pretty good, but I may have to try this place you're talking about. I'm not too far I'm on 49 and western. Def gonna check it out. Oh yeah good news today, I worked on my truck during lunch before I called the tow truck to come pick it up. And pretty much gave up after lunch but half an hour before I got out of work I decided to give it one last try
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hopped up 08-23-2012 12:45 AM

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I turned the flywheel manually to several different locations and tried the starter till finally it grabbed enough to start my truck! So I drove it to la no tow truck needed!! Felt good to get it back home without a tow. I pride myself in almost always getting my cars/trucks home under their own power!!!!
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hopped up 08-23-2012 12:46 AM

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I know the block numbers are located on top behind the drivers side head, any other spots I can look for the numbers on the block
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VDOG 08-23-2012 12:48 PM

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I know the block numbers are located on top behind the drivers side head, any other spots I can look for the numbers on the block
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Congrats on getting it running back on its own power. Driver side behind the head is the only spot. If your engine is not up against the firewall, you can look down and use a flashlight to see the numbers.
The pic is not the best example cause the heads are removed.
Also, the engine in my garage is another 327, not a 350.

hopped up 08-23-2012 01:52 PM

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Thanks vdog , yeab my engine is pretty close to the firewall . Cant see tbe numbers from above. Guess ill do the old tracing paper and pencil trick. Couldnt get the whole number last time
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VDOG 08-23-2012 02:23 PM

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Thanks vdog , yeab my engine is pretty close to the firewall . Cant see tbe numbers from above. Guess ill do the old tracing paper and pencil trick. Couldnt get the whole number last time
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That might work.

hopped up 08-25-2012 12:45 AM

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So here's the victim. Left work and came to my parents house and pulled the tranny. Fluid smells bad! The guy I was getting the tranny from sold it before o picked it up so I'm still looking for one ,gotta get a new flywheel tomorrow too. Then see whats up with the starter. The flywheel is worn pretty good on the starter side. Hope I fix this problem
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hopped up 08-25-2012 12:46 AM

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Thinking I'll put an indicator on the flywheel once I torque it down to be sure it true.
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Dano69c10 08-25-2012 10:27 AM

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Was the starter disengaging after you would start the truck? If it doesn't disengage completely, then the starter cog will run along the fly wheel and wear both out.
Dano

hopped up 08-25-2012 10:57 AM

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Yeah the starter was disengaging dano. I'm about to go pull another tranny to put into my truck, wish me luck guys. I will hopefully have my truck back together today.
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hopped up 08-25-2012 12:39 PM

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My victim , my bros 56 olds . Been sitting a while hope the tranny is good. Has chevy drivetrain
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VDOG 08-25-2012 05:55 PM

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My victim , my bros 56 olds . Been sitting a while hope the tranny is good. Has chevy drivetrain
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LOL!! Im sure he wont mind you borrowing his trans. We wont tell. :lol:

nibs 08-25-2012 07:30 PM

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ohhh man, that thing is BAD ASS!

hopped up 08-25-2012 08:47 PM

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Block number info any help 397 3010 or 397 8010. Please any hell guys these arw the nunbers behind the driver head
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VDOG 08-25-2012 11:23 PM

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Try this link.

http://www.nastyz28.com/sbchevy/sblock.php

I will still research the numbers you gave me.

VDOG 08-25-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hopped up (Post 5557333)
Block number info any help 397 3010 or 397 8010. Please any hell guys these arw the nunbers behind the driver head
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This is about as close as I found.

3970010 69-79 302/350 car & Truck 2 & 4-Bolt Most common
3970014 68-79 350 car & Truck 2 & 4-Bolt
3970020 69-73 307 car & Truck 2-bolt

hopped up 08-26-2012 12:00 AM

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Thanks vdog looks like the first is prob right.I always say 75 350 so I guess I was right with the info I was given. I got the tranny from the olds in ,driveshaft mounted, just have a few things to finish off and keep my fingers crossed that its a good tranny. I'll finish it up in the morning. I'm pretty beat!
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VWNate1 08-26-2012 09:27 AM

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How many teeth are on the starter's Bendix ? .

Once in a while you'll get an odd tooth count and this causes jamming & binding .

Dano , you said oil droplets all over the back of the cab , that's not likely rings as rings woud spew oil & smoke out the exhaust pipe , not from under the cab....

I'm just thinking out loud here , maybe you blew a rear main seal or oil filter plate seal ? .

Dano69c10 08-26-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by VWNate1 (Post 5557988)
...Dano , you said oil droplets all over the back of the cab , that's not likely rings as rings woud spew oil & smoke out the exhaust pipe , not from under the cab....

I'm just thinking out loud here , maybe you blew a rear main seal or oil filter plate seal ? .

Hey Nate,
I did have a gigantic gray/blue cloud exhaust as I was comin' down Kellogg Hill (I-10).
I went out this morning and there's no leaking oil from the rear of the engine or the oil filter seal.
Since my "cheap b@st@rd homemade brand" exhaust system ends at the back of the cab, that's the reason everything was cab and bed.
The droplets were vaporlike drops, so I'm pretty sure I was blowin' oil out the exhaust pipes.
Dano

VWNate1 08-26-2012 11:19 AM

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O.K. , now I gotcha .

You seem in a big hurry to yank this engine , it's always easier and faster to yank heads & drop the pan , repair as necessary , this is how GM esigned it , to be simple , cheap and fast .

VDOG 08-26-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VWNate1 (Post 5558118)
O.K. , now I gotcha .

You seem in a big hurry to yank this engine , it's always easier and faster to yank heads & drop the pan , repair as necessary , this is how GM esigned it , to be simple , cheap and fast .


Dano has been having trouble with this engine since the first Legends meet when he was not sure if it was going to start or not. He is probably fed up with it. I know that feeling well.

hopped up 08-26-2012 01:09 PM

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How many teeth should the bendix have?
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Dano69c10 08-26-2012 04:58 PM

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Dano has been having trouble with this engine since the first Legends meet when he was not sure if it was going to start or not. He is probably fed up with it. I know that feeling well.

This engine is cursed, since I got the truck it's been nothin' but heartbreak.
I usually pull the PO motor when I buy a truck, but cash got tight.
I'd like to remove the curse, start fresh, and have confidence in my power plant.
I'm glad I have an engine waiting on deck...

hopped up 08-26-2012 06:27 PM

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So after thrashing for 3 days straight alone on the 64 , pulling 2 trannys ,putting a tranny into my truck,3 different starters. I quit! I done for today super frustrated and pissed off. Dont wanna mess up my new flywheel. But after shimminv everg which way and using 3 different starterz witb the same results. I have grinding when i turn the key. I pulled the solenoid on 2 of the starters and shimmed to get proper engagement only to still have the same result. I dont know what im gonna do , not sure how much longer i can borrow the car im using. Ok rant over
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hopped up 08-26-2012 06:28 PM

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Didnt even get the chance to see if the tranny i swapped in is good. Hahaha
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Dano69c10 08-27-2012 03:49 PM

August Bob's Big Boy Meet
 
Some more pics of the Broiler Meet, before we headed for the shade!

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Dano69c10 08-27-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hopped up (Post 5558723)
So after thrashing for 3 days straight alone on the 64 , pulling 2 trannys ,putting a tranny into my truck,3 different starters. I quit! I done for today super frustrated and pissed off. Dont wanna mess up my new flywheel. But after shimminv everg which way and using 3 different starterz witb the same results. I have grinding when i turn the key. I pulled the solenoid on 2 of the starters and shimmed to get proper engagement only to still have the same result. I dont know what im gonna do , not sure how much longer i can borrow the car im using. Ok rant over
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Are the starters you are trying have offset holes or straight across mounting holes?
Dano

hopped up 08-27-2012 04:35 PM

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Staggered and i have a 168 tooth flywheel
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Dano69c10 08-27-2012 04:50 PM

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I had an old v-8 that when I took a starter that had straight across mounting holes. Everytime I would go to the auto parts store they would tell me that the starter for a v8 with a th350 needed to have the offset mounting holes. I would tell them, that is not what is on there now. One parts clerk did not believe me and told me to bring my old starter in. When I did, he confirmed it was not for a manual tranny set-up and as a matter of fact he could not even find the starter in his picture parts book. He sent me to an old skool starter rebuild place and when the old-timer there saw the starter he said, that's an old-one! (whatever that meant.) He went in the back and came out with a rebuilt starter for me, took my old one as the core. I will take a look in my stash and see if I can find that starter and maybe get a part number or pic of it for you. Maybe your v8 needs one of these types of starter.
Dano

VDOG 08-27-2012 07:48 PM

Re: SoCal checkin' in
 
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Originally Posted by hopped up (Post 5558729)
Didnt even get the chance to see if the tranny i swapped in is good. Hahaha
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How did the engine dowel pins look?

I have a starter that came off my 283, that could use a rebuild if you want to try it. Free price.

hopped up 08-27-2012 08:38 PM

Re: SoCal checkin' in
 
Its a 9 tooth starter. I have a 168 tooth flywheel. Dowels looked normal. I may take you up on that offrr vdog.
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VDOG 08-28-2012 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hopped up (Post 5560928)
Its a 9 tooth starter. I have a 168 tooth flywheel. Dowels looked normal. I may take you up on that offrr vdog.
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No prob. Let me know.

hopped up 08-28-2012 01:17 PM

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Hey vdog could you check how many teeth your starter has. I know mine are 9 tooth. Im wondering if i need to use an 11 tooth starter. Kinda doubt thats the problem but im willing to try something i havent tried
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Dano69c10 08-28-2012 02:57 PM

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"hopped up",
I found the starter (on my dad's old car). Would you like to try it to see if it will work on your engine? I do need it back, but you can at least see if this is the type of starter you need.
Dano

hopped up 08-28-2012 03:50 PM

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Hey dano yeah im willing to try it. Is it staggered bol pattern. I work in jndustry not toj far far from kntario
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Dano69c10 08-29-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hopped up (Post 5562436)
Hey dano yeah im willing to try it. Is it staggered bol pattern. I work in jndustry not toj far far from kntario
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Not staggered, but if your block has holes for a non-staggered starter it might work.

VDOG 08-29-2012 07:49 PM

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Hey vdog could you check how many teeth your starter has. I know mine are 9 tooth. Im wondering if i need to use an 11 tooth starter. Kinda doubt thats the problem but im willing to try something i havent tried
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Hey bro, its a 9 tooth, again, yours if you want it.

Dano69c10 08-29-2012 08:55 PM

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Hey bro, its a 9 tooth, again, yours if you want it.

Mines looks like VDOG's...

hopped up 08-29-2012 10:56 PM

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Thanks alot vdog and dano but i have a 168 tooth flywheel and im pretty sure that requires a starter witb the staggered bolts. Someone correct me if im wrong
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