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1966gmc 12-07-2008 10:54 AM

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Just the way I bought er. Stock looking except the big old mirrors
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...d/IMGP0412.jpg

LILRED66 12-07-2008 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 1966gmc (Post 3013801)
Just the way I bought er. Stock looking except the big old mirrors
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...d/IMGP0412.jpg

I can't tell for sure, but your mirrors look like stock Jr. West Coast mirrors and they were available on the '60-'66 Chevy/GMC trucks.

In any case, you have a very nice looking rig and thanks for sharing.

1966gmc 12-07-2008 10:59 AM

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No they aren't stock. They have FoMoCo on them :(

LILRED66 12-07-2008 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 1966gmc (Post 3013815)
No they aren't stock. They have FoMoCo on them :(

They may be the same style as used on the Chevy/GMC trucks. I am sure the mirror supplier sold their mirrors to the big three. I have seen that style mirror in my manufacturer's/dealer literature and I have a few sets, also.

In any case, they look nice and your rig is a good example of an original runner. Thanks for contributing.

1966gmc 12-07-2008 11:27 AM

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Thanks man. I need to get the bodywork straight. The P.O went crazy with Bondo and now its bubbling but thats to be expected

scotts62 12-07-2008 12:23 PM

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Good looking truck there 1966gmc :metal:

factorystock 12-07-2008 12:32 PM

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I always thought "stock" was when a vehicle has the same equipment and appearance as it had when new. It should resemble the look when the guy at the dealership handed the keys over to the original buyer.For a clue, look at my avatar.

joe231 12-07-2008 12:56 PM

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Yeah, i would have to agree, the term "stock" is used many times when it doesn't fit. changing wheels, color, upgrading suspension, upgrading brakes, performace parts, or adding after-market goodies nullifies "stock"
guess you could even say that using re-popped parts would alsohttp://www.alaska4x4network.com/imag...smiley-013.gif

LILRED66 12-07-2008 01:38 PM

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I have a 2000 Chevy Z71 Tahoe with aftermarket wheels on it, but I would consider it stock.

I have done many upgrades to my 4-5-6 Chevy trucks, utilizing good, used factory/OEM/NOS parts, with few exceptions. If I get real crazy, I might replace some factory bolts with the same style, but stainless steel. Maybe the disparity is in the words "stock" or "factory original".

I have viewed thousands of 4-5-6 Chevy trucks over the years that are titled "stock" only to see that there are mismatched dash knobs, later model seat belts, steering wheel, seat, foot pedals, radio, etc, to name a few.

I am not into splitting hairs, but I consider something stock, if it was available during the production years of said truck. For the most part, many of the accessories available on these truck was dealer installed from a kit supplied to the dealer.

If a truck has been smoothed, lowered, slammed, channeled, chopped, dropped or butchered, I don't consider that in the stock category. This post was intended to allow others who lean toward the stock/factory look/fit/finish, to post their trucks, not to decide what constitutes stock.

I bet a Thread entitled "What is Stock" would generate a lot of interest. In the meantime, I am hopeful that more members will post their examples of stock 4-5-6 Chevy trucks, as this thread was intended.

LILRED66 12-07-2008 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 3013982)
I always thought "stock" was when a vehicle has the same equipment and appearance as it had when new. It should resemble the look when the guy at the dealership handed the keys over to the original buyer.For a clue, look at my avatar.

Good point and I think "resemble" is the operative word, because a lot of trucks I see today, do not "resemble the look when the guy at the dealership handed the keys over to the original buyer", therefore I don't consider them stock.

502tripower 12-07-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LILRED66 (Post 3013789)
Chief:

Not what I would expect as a site Moderator.

Don't get offended because I like to preserve the vintage looks/lines of the 4-5-6 Chevy trucks.

I look and admire the work done by you and many of the other customizer/fabricators, but I don't lash out at them for modifying their trucks.

Everyone has his or her vision of what they like. If you like all stock rigs that is great, but what makes hot rodding so much fun is the diversity and, this is a hot rod site with some stockers. As you stated in the Quote below
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Originally Posted by LILRED66 (Post 3013711)
Once again, I emphatically state that I am not a hater, I just struggle with the notion that many/most of these trucks need to be radically modified, in order to be set apart from everyone else

This is what makes building hot rods fun. Anyone can put together a stocker, "Part A bolts to part B "it takes a lot of skill and dedication to really build a custom hot rod...These trucks will be much more desired.

What would you call this....

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In a few years, when we are all drooling over the next trend, after the lowering trend has passed, just like the chopping era has faded, that lowered/chopped truck and many just like it will be sitting in the back lot, collecting dust/rust...because no human being will spend the money to restore the sheetmetal and frame back to it's original glory.

Many/most trucks I see posted on this site and many just like it, fall victim to slamming/chopping/"z"-ing/channeling/smoothing and every other personal touch known to man.

Just an observation...wouldn't it be a travesty if most/many Corvettes/Chevelles/Cameros/Mopars/Mustangs/etc/etc/etc were butchered up with these personal touches, only to be de-valued/depreciated long before their time. I have and will continue to scratch my head wondering why many/most '60-'66 Chevy truck owners are so compelled to go to work on these trucks, to, in their opinion, make them better.

Once again, I emphatically state that I am not a hater, I just struggle with the notion that many/most of these trucks need to be radically modified, in order to be set apart from everyone else, even though there are not that many of them on the road compared to the '50-'59's and the '67-'72's.

It would be refreshing to see a new member posting photos of his/her newly purchased '60-'66 Chevy truck and not read/see the majority of the replies suggesting that "it sure would look good with a body drop/laying frame/dragging ass/rolling on 22's/etc/etc/etc". With the number of these trucks going to the crusher/rusting to the frame rails/being chopped up, there aren't going to be many stockers left.


19GMC63 12-07-2008 04:39 PM

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I really don't see the need to bring quotes from other threads to hi-jack another so you can make your point.

scotts62 12-07-2008 05:04 PM

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Very true but stepping in and saying something like that or me adding something like i am will just get stuff all riled up and the thread will be all jacked up anyway so whats the point :confused:

1966gmc 12-07-2008 05:40 PM

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play nice guys

scotts62 12-07-2008 05:43 PM

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Oh its all good ;)

jonzcustomshop 12-07-2008 06:48 PM

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I'll bring this back around to more pics, more from the files- the c60 to c80's hardly ever get restored, here are a couple shots that I have found, and a few other factory shots:

jonzcustomshop 12-07-2008 06:51 PM

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heres some campers:

jonzcustomshop 12-07-2008 07:02 PM

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a few more random shots from ebay I think...

jonzcustomshop 12-07-2008 07:05 PM

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and the dream shots:
Hey factorystock, when can we expext delivery of these?:lol:

joe231 12-07-2008 08:36 PM

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nice re-direct Jon.....
as I see it 502 is just calling it as he sees it......
maybe i'm just a dick though, who knows?;)
wait...don't answer that :D

scotts62 12-07-2008 09:14 PM

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:exit:

joe231 12-07-2008 09:15 PM

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:lol:
run Forrest....run

factorystock 12-07-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzcustomshop (Post 3014658)
and the dream shots:
Hey factorystock, when can we expext delivery of these?:lol:

Still working on the time machine. I think this discussion is long overdue on what constitutes stock. Sure everybody has the freedom and to do with there vehicles what they want to do. Since this thread was about stockers, we have an obligation to try to get it right for historical purposes and for people new to the hobby to learn about how the trucks were really put togther the first time.

LILRED66 12-07-2008 10:07 PM

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These are not mine...I hijacked them from eBay, but they are good examples of stockers.

tractor1963 12-07-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by northern 85 (Post 2971882)

LOVE the slots!!!!Thats my favorite old school wheel.Nice looking truck!I grew up with a black 63 long bed,a detuned LT-1,3 speed on the column,with widen steel wheels,we used it on the farm.

joe231 12-07-2008 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 3015159)
Still working on the time machine. I think this discussion is long overdue on what constitutes stock. Sure everybody has the freedom and to do with there vehicles what they want to do. Since this thread was about stockers, we have an obligation to try to get it right for historical purposes and for people new to the hobby to learn about how the trucks were really put togther the first time.

:agree:

jonzcustomshop 12-07-2008 11:52 PM

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lilred the white one, 3/4 ton? and is the black line around the grille support and fenders correct, or should it be like the others, white with black behind the grille on a white truck?

ChiefRocka 12-08-2008 09:53 AM

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The last pic above...the one with the shell...that's the type of shell I've been looking for ever....found one liek that off of a 61 Ford, but it was too narrow.

I thing an old-school aluminum shell....with some custom wife made RED curtains would be cool on my truck.

factorystock 12-13-2008 01:27 PM

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Because I dont like to critique trucks on the site, I would like to comment on the 4 previous ebay trucks shown (the blue, yellow, white and turquoise) which were "restored to all original" and offered for sale.It would be a good opportunity to state what is correct and not correct. I would say the turquoise is one of the closest "original authentic" restoration I have ever seen.The period shell and aux gas tanks doors were common add ons in the day.The blue and yellow trucks should have black wheels and painted hubcaps .Only tu-toned trucks had wheels painted body color. The blue and yellow trucks should have the area behind grill painted black. The white truck should not have a black stripe around grill.This stripe was always painted off-white regardless of body color. Mirrors were never chrome.The small standard mirror heads were painted black with the bracket stands body color. Large western mirrors are correct all white.Other than that, the are very good representations of stock 64-66 trucks.

LILRED66 12-13-2008 07:30 PM

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factorystock:

I have referred to several factory/dealer issued reference pieces that do not agree with your assertion that only the tu-tone painted trucks had wheels painted the body color, in fact, they state that the wheels were painted the body color, in most cases, however they were painted black in some instances.

Additionally, the Jr. West Coast mirror, in chrome, are referenced in several of the historical pieces that I have and these mirrors where available in polished stainless steel...appeared to be chrome to the casual observer.

I agree, there are a number of exceptions to "true original/number 1 restorations with regards to the trucks posted, namely seat belts, paint-breaks, color combinations, etc, as you have pointed out above. Although there is not a demand or market for true Number 1 quality restorations of these trucks, I have co-op'd with a few restoration shops, in order to meet or exceed the factory/dealer specifications in quality, fit and finish and I have yet to see any truck that "points-out" at this level, either in person or online.

Thanks for your insight and I appreciate your input.

ol Curt 12-13-2008 08:30 PM

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I'll have to say I really like all the ebay trucks shown and wouldn't kick any of them out of bed for eating crackers! ;)

factorystock 12-15-2008 08:44 PM

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Here is my documentation on wheel color from Chevrolet (63 shown) but same for 60-66. I would love to see your documentation LILRED66? Remember, we are talking about Chevrolet, not GMC. You might be confusing the cousin trucks which had different wheel colors and mirror options.(Ignor R 10 ) this was the corvair van.

ol Curt 12-15-2008 09:18 PM

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Factorystock,

I show the same in my restoration packet from GM, but I still like the trucks that were shown and would personally consider them as stock. 100% showroom restored...no, but all pretty darn nice! Each person has their own individual taste.

ol Curt 12-15-2008 09:31 PM

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I might also add while I don't have the propensity to build one factory stock I have an uncle who is inclined that way. He is a Mopar guy and has a great 69 Roadrunner. Any of you guys out there that have that special knack for doing them 100% stock, keep sharing those pics with us!!

LorenzoAIr 12-17-2008 06:08 PM

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Hello All
Just found the site, great source of info. Here is pics of my new 60. I got it last summer at an auction, restoration was started and couldn't be finished (due to $$$). Bought it with fenders, grill, some other sheet metal, all the wood in bed and seat removed. All parts were in the bed (except the rotten wood,and rusted out bed rails) along with a new aftermarket fender, rocker panel, and fender extension. I patched up the old parts (crudely without bondo) hammered some dents, spotted with some flat black paint, and put back together with a new sheet of 3/4 plywood for the bed. Added the chrome rims and tires (garage sale specials!) and a new tie rod end and off she went.
Just recently I bought a 62 parts truck and salvaged the fuel tank sender, heater blower motor, emergency brake cable, back cab glass and a seat that was much better than the one I had. So all totaled up I have about $500 in this rig, I call her "Fairly Reliable" because she is and the door signs.
Today was the first day the temp here was above the minus range, but she fired right up so I drove it to work today (the jetski in back helps with traction, but not much) I still have a lot of little things to fix, but for right now it is all good.

jonzcustomshop 12-17-2008 07:09 PM

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nice looking truck! my 65 was a great falls native before I got it.

ol Curt 12-17-2008 08:06 PM

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Great looking truck. Welcome to the site. I wonder if I could convince my wife that if I bought a jetski to go int he back of my 2wd Silverado it would do better in the snow?:lol:

71'tahoe 12-21-2008 11:51 AM

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Heres my 65' 1 ton

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20...sports/021.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20...orts/022-1.jpg

Its all stock for now. I do want to upgrade to disc brakes front and rear. I want to swap in a 12v cummins and a 5 spd. I want to do the engine swap just to make it more driveable. It has the ole' 3 spd and with 5:12 gears in the rear,its just not driveable. I plan on swapping in a dana 60 out of a 68' GMC truck and run 4:10 gears. I want to put 19.5 steel wheels on it. I have thought about the aluminum wheels but Im afraid it will ruin the look im after. Hope you all like it.

LILRED66 12-27-2008 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by factorystock (Post 3029586)
Here is my documentation on wheel color from Chevrolet (63 shown) but same for 60-66. I would love to see your documentation LILRED66? Remember, we are talking about Chevrolet, not GMC. You might be confusing the cousin trucks which had different wheel colors and mirror options.(Ignor R 10 ) this was the corvair van.

My interpretation of body colored wheels, is on the tu-tone paint jobs. I understand the solid color trucks had black wheels. In any case, I have seen so many trucks that have variations, I am not sure if there were any hard, fast rules.

Thanks for sharing this information...I had the same stuff you referenced.

With regards to the mirrors being chrome/stainless steel, I understand the Jr. West Coast mirrors, that were available as an R.P.O. had stainless frames and mirror heads, but the small oval mirror arms were painted body color and the round mirror heads were painted black, according to the literature I have.

Happy Holidays.

factorystock 12-28-2008 01:03 PM

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I believe the problem is you are looking at non original vehicles. I too have seen many varations, but these were altered by the owners or dealers trying to please a finicky customer. I stand by all may statements. As to junior west coast 6x11 mirrors, they were always painted white on 60-66 pickups,(just like in the photos of the white and blue pickups above) never stainless and agian I would like to see any documention you say you have. Many aftermarket mirrors were added during this era and may be part your confusion. The 66 Chevy van and 67 Chevy pickups did have stainless 6x11 mirrors and brackets swing lock type ( different mounting arm brackets ), but never 60-66 pickups.These agian would be a later add on if seen on a 60-66 pickup. I would also add, these comments do not apply to GMC pickups, GMC pickups had different paint schemes and mirror options and can be addressed in a later thread.I offer all this information in this thread for the few who are interested in a period correct authentic factory restoration.


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