Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Looks to be a sweet old truck cant wait to see you get back one her..

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

nice truck man! brakelines look awesome your really gonna do a good job on this!

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

My plans for this time are to get it running and driving for now. I am not going to be concerned with body work and rust repair yet.

I will be doing some on it soon as I get ready to hall over my son's project to the house this next weekend.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

We got Korbin's 82 home and started working on it. Since it will be awhile before he is driving, I will be using the transmisson in this one. We got the motor pulled and trans out. I cleaned the trans up and will replace the seals and filter before putting it in mine.

I will have to post pictures in Korbin's thread for the work we did. I will get some shots of what we are doing to mine soon.

After going to the GG Lonestar Nationals this past weekend, I am a little more motivated to work on mine again. They anounced a spring show at TMS for next year, that is my new goal...We will see...

Stay tuned!

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Bring those boys back w/ya. Keep them coming to the shows to see what they like & can use toward the build(s). Did you keep that 9" that was in the 65?

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

I plan to bring them to all the events I can. They even enjoy going to swapmeets when we can. Korbin seems to like the Square bodies now, and Owen likes the 67-72 style. I like all three...

For now I have the 9", I may get a new housing and axles in the width that I need for my "new" tire size, but my even look for a stock 12 bolt to convert to 5 lug. I will have to weigh costs at this point..

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

I'm looking for one @ 58" wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface. If I can find what I'm seeking, I'll have a 68 12bolt w/5-lug Moser axles available....

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

I think the 8.8 rear out of a Ranger is 57" if that helps you. How wide is the 68 rear (wms to wms)? I will have to keep you in mind. I will look around here for a 58" wide rear...

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

1963-70 12-bolt truck housings are 62" WMS to WMS.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Well after seeing SCOTI's progress on his, I thought I might update mine.

I really have not gotten anything done worthy of pictures. I pulled out a TH350 trans from another project that had been rebuilt a few years ago before the PO parked the truck. I cleanned up the outside and pulled the pan and fluid looks OK, so I ordred up a B&M shift improver kit, a new flex plate, bolts, and a chrome pan & bolts.

Hopefully before Christmas, I will get the trans done and possibly bolted up to the engine. After Christmas, I plan on putting the engine/trans into the frame rails to work on the headers/exhaust along with the brackets and pulleys for the accecessory drive.

Can you believe that Christmas is in 21 days?

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Well I got some time to work on my project. Had to clean out the garage a little first. I got the shift kit and new filter installed in the trans before we left on our ski truip. Yesterday, I planned to get the engine and trans together so that I could put them in the frame. I got the new SFI flexplate and ARP bolts on the engine, the TCI converter is from years ago and is ready to install. Well, went to put the converter in the trans and realized I forgot to get the front seal at the parts store. So, that is where I stopped last night. I called this morning and the parts store is open today, so I will get back at it later today.

Flexplate installed on engine:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2072.jpg

11" TCI Breakaway Converter ready to go in:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2073.jpg

Hopefully I will post more later, we will see how today goes. I have a few things I must do around the house this weekend.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

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I did get the engine and trans installed in the frame yesterday. I ended up changing from the black mounts (which I thought were V8 mounts) back to my original 6 cyl mounts. I did not like how far forward the engine sat with the other mounts. My only concern is the clearence between the driver side valve cover and the firewall in the recess area. There is only about 1/4"-3/8" clearance between the two. The other side is fine.

I might have to redo my brake lines, there might not be enough room for headers and shift likage the way I ran my lines...we'll see. I did not work on it at all today. Just had other things that needed my attension around the house...

Here are some pics:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2086.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2087.jpg

Passenger Side:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2089.jpg

Driver Side:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2090.jpg
close up at the valve cover, my finger will not fit between the two:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2091.jpg

There is plenty of clearance to install/remove the HEI distributer with the cap removed. I put it in after the engine was already installed:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2088.jpg

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Are those tall v.covers (hard to tell from the monitor sometimes)?

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Yea, Scoti, they are tall vcovers. I like the way they look better then the short ones, I was going to do painted ones, but those chrome ones where cheaper then the plain steel and this set up might be temporary until I can do another engine.

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Not sure what I should do next. Most of it costs money and that is tight right now. I have a couple of styles of headers from other projects, I might see it they will fit. I need to finish up the brackets/pullies/belts for the altenator, I need to finish the brakes, mount the 4 calipers and pads. I need to order the fuel pump and hoses. I need to measure and order my drive shaft. I need to do a lot of things. I guess I will start with the headers then the alternator stuff. If the headers fit, then I will finish the brakes and possibly bleed them...

Just thinking out loud...

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

What kind of fuel pump do you need? It looks like you need a mechanical. If so I have a brand new one that I bolted up then removed it. It is a stock replacement. If your interested I will donate it. ;)

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Thanks Allan, I will use a mechanical pump. Stock will most likely work. I will let you know.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

I might have a set of the 'Chevrolet' embossed chrome short style v.covers (newer chevy performance style, not old vintage script). I had them on one of my motors @ some point but they were in good shape & would help your clearance isses.

Heck, for that matter, I think I have a 'short' set of those plain chrome ones like your using. They came on another sbc & were pretty decent as well.....

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Thanks Scoti. I think that I will be fine with these. I know at some point I will be changing the firewall to clear it and smooth some things out anyway.

Last night after posting I found some energy and time to do a little on the engine. Now I have another issue that I will need to decide on. In the pictures, I took the time to mock up 2 different headers on each side. On the passenger side both fit well and did not rub on anything. The pictures show that one set hangs down much futher then the other. The one set hangs 4.5" below the frame rail! The other set only hangs down about 2.25" below the frame rail and reaches further to the rear.
Passenger side Set 1:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2104.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2103.jpg

Passenger side Set 2:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2102.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2101.jpg

On the Driver side I had other issues. Set 1 fits perfect, but hangs down too far. Set 2 fits and does not hang down too low, BUT up top, the #5 tube HITS my brake lines coming down from the master cylinder. I wish I had a Driver side header that fits like Set 1 up top, but hangs down like Set 2...:waah:

Driver side Set 1:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2100.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2099.jpg

Driver side Set 2:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2098.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2097.jpg

I had to force the lines over and back a little to even get the header to line up with the mounting holes. The lines sprung back in place when I took the header out. My issue is do I look for other headers that fit the way I want, or do I just make new lines that clear these headers? These headers (Set 2) came off a 68 Camaro, but the owner of the car has no idea what brand they could be. He got the car with them on it. He now has a set of Headman's on it and the look similar to these. These are rusted pretty badly in places and might even have a few holes in them. The Set 1 headers are Flowtech, but I cannot find a part number on them. They are in OK shape and would probably clean up and be fine, they just hang way too low.

I might just cut up Set 1 so that i does not hang so low, but then I would not be able to buy a new coated set later one. My buddy with the Camaro is going to get me some pictures of the new Headmans on his car to see if Set 2 looks like them and might be older Headmans...He just had shoulder surgery and can't drive the car to work for me to have a first hand look at them on his car...

What do you guys think?

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Use the set that offers the best ground clearance & tweak or re-make the brake lines. You did good once, the 2nd time should be better right? ;)

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

It was beginners luck. But your right I SHOULD be able to do it again...

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Hhmm.... I'm quite familiar w/bad luck; not so much w/this 'beginners' luck.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Here is the pic of the pump I have.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

I have decided to use the ones from my buddies camaro for my headers for now. I will remake the brake lines from the master cylinder to the frame. I looked at them for awhile last night. Looks like all that needs to change is the small "U" I put in them. The start of the U is high enough to clear the tube, I will just put a staight length between two 90* bends with the last 90 at about where the lower black line clamp is now instead of the 180* bend I have there now. Nothing more than 2 more lines from the parts store and an evening of work...

Thanks, Allan - I sent you a PM.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Well my buddy has no idea what the headers are, except the fact that the came off of his 68 Camaro with a 350 and no AC. I did some searching on SummitRacing.com, From the pictures they are most likely Headman Headers. This is the set that he has on the Camaro now:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HED-68278/?rtype=10

Size and Shape wise this is most likely what Set 2 headers where without the coating. Set 1 headers most likely for Chevy c-10 trucks from 68 up, from pictures of the Flowtech's on Summit's site.

Looks like I need to save my lunch money for long time to get those....

I will just patch up the free ones that I have for now and go with that...

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Made a little money today at the swap meet in Canton. I might order a set of shorty headers for a chevelle off eBay that I have seen fit my year truck. I am going to use some of the money I made today for this project and see if I can finish the engine installation.
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With some of the money I made from the swap meet this part weekend, I ordered these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

There has been a thread on here in the 73-87 section and from my research I believe that they will fit and work well for my truck. Total cost to me: $148.84 shipped. I should have them by mid next week.

Once I have them, I will confirm that they fit and then I will rework my brake lines and complete the brakes.

Once all that is done, my next project is to get the ignition complete and test fire the engine with a temp fuel system...

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

My new headers came in today!:metal:

They came from Pro Auto Luxury on ebay. Here is what I got (minus the passenger side header):
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2644.jpg
Nice thick flange, measured at 0.370" with my caliper:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2641.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2643.jpg
Here is some of the welds, some still had the discoloration in the HAZ:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2639.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2637.jpg

The ad for these on ebay said they are made from 304 stainless. I think that it might be 409 stainless. 409 is magnetic and 304 is not. The flange may be regular carbon steel since it appears to have a clear coat of some kind on it. You can see what looks like a run in the coating from the flange down part of the tube in that last picture. The coating looks like it is only on the flange except for a few runs on some of the tubes. I will know for sure once I get the motor running and have some heat on them...

Overall, I am pleased with them at this time.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

I spent sometime tonight putting them on to see how they fit. The passenger side fits good with no clearance issues to the frame rail or the motor mount frame brackets. I left the plastic bag they came in on this one to help avoid scratches for now.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2647.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2649.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2648.jpg

The driver side header has an issue fitting the way I wanted. It looks like it will fit and clear every where except for the front tube hits the bracket for the motor mount.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2650.jpg
The rear most bolt is in the flange, but the front most bolt hole is about an inch off from lining up with the hole in the head. I will just make/modify the motor mount frame bracket to clear, but still bolt in the factory holes.

All in all, I am happy with them. They came with all the hardware and reducers and gaskets. The hardware is metric except for the header bolts, the threads are 3/8"-16, but the head is a small 10mm hex. No problem there. The reducers are nice and have a good polished finish, the flange and reducer flanges are cut on a cnc plasma and are both nice and think. Once I get the motor mount modfied, I will run the pipes on the driver side, hook up the shift linkage, and then redo the brake lines.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

They look decent enough.... Hopefully the MM tower doesn't need much tweaking.

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Been doing some thinking about my header/motor mount issue. I have an extra set of 73-87 mounts (frame bracket, clam shell, & bushing). I am thinking of setting that up and see if it clears that...I have read that these headers fit those trucks without any issues.

Maybe this weekend...I have to work Sat. and there is some yard work that needs to be done first. Only time will tell is I get to work on it...

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

If the 73-87 stuff doesn't work, look into the POL tubular mounts. Not too 'costly' & should work for you.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Well did not get to work on my truck this weekend like I hoped. I had to work Saturday. Also helped my oldest with a school project Sat. and today. Maybe after baseball on Tuesday or Wednesday evening I will put some time in on it.
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Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Got some work time this evening. I pulled the stock motor mount set up off the driver side and put on a set up from a 82 Chevy C-10. Everything clears on this set up. I will take a grinder to add a little clearence to the clam shell right below the offending tube, but that is more to make me feel better then actually needed. The only issue is that the 82 frame is 3/4" taller in that area. I would need to make a 3/4" thick spacer or cut down and weld back together the frame bracket to fit flat on the top of the frame. This set up also raises the motor in the front about 3/4"-1". That doesn not seem to be an issue, but not sure that I like it. What do you guys think? Here's a couple of photos:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2651.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2652.jpg

While I have some time and have it appart, I am going to see what it might take to modify the stock mount/frame bracket to make the header fit that side. Either way, I think that the headers are going to be a good deal for my needs.

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

My first thought was to cut and weld instead of a spacer. If you cut it the angles will need some work to match back up. Looking good!!

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Well I took the time to mock up the parts and take a close look at where the frame bracket and the header tube where trying to occupy the same space. I marked the bracket and removed it a few times and tried spacers here and there, but I think that it would be best to modify the frame bracket and not use shims. The shims seemed to create alignement issues with the motor mount and frame and possibly put the passenger side is a bind.

In the pictures below, the offending area is the chipped paint inside the black "circle" the chipped area is right where the tube hits the mount. It looks like I can cut down that "high" spot and leave the flange below it. In the second picture, imagine that the socket is a hole saw, I could clamp the bracket in the drill press or mill and run the hole saw through the area at an angle that would be parrallel with the line the header tube follows. This would take out the area marked by the black "circle". The slug could then be flipped over and welded in from the bottom therefore maintaining the strength of the mount. What do you guys think of that solution versus the one described above? Both require fab work which does not bother me at all, but I just don't know which will look better in the end.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2653.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0/100_2654.jpg

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Thanks Alan, My first thought was to cut and weld make people think that it was a stock part in the end...What do you think about my second idea?

Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

I would notch it as needed using a holesaw through the center of the offending area & then just put a flat plate in it's place. Easier to do vs. inverting the cut out section & it will be under the header tube (out of sight).

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Re: Project Old Blue, 1965 C10, Rebuild Version 2010
 

Great now your going to make me paint my water pump.:lol: Nice picture takin. Keep them coming I need pictures. You need to get your power steering pump on.:lol::lol: