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Advanced Design 11-28-2016 09:48 PM

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Yeah Mark, I believe the next time I need a complete rear I will give them the business. Reasonable prices and quality parts for sure.

I don't know Lowers...I need a bunch of updates like this. Winter with no yard work will help....I hope.

99, that spot is right under the radiant heater and is very cozy...zzzz...

I was able to pull myself away from the peanuts and cozy spot long enough to throw the now clean Camaro pan on the engine. There is still more work to be done in prepping this engine for paint.

Any slick ideas for removing the last of the engines dirt and corrosion? I plan to continue with Dremel, wire wheels, die grinder with rotary brush, simple green cleaner....lotta elbow grease.

youngrodder 11-28-2016 11:56 PM

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Cleaning a dirty LS1 brings back some memories..
It's getting there...

Marc

reaper71 11-28-2016 11:56 PM

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SUPER CLEAN my man....works a ton better than simple green.
Just my own experience.

Mark...

lower50's 11-29-2016 08:33 AM

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:agree: and Brake Clean

reaper71 11-29-2016 10:32 AM

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And before you know it,it will look like this!!!
Of course after Hrs of taping,painting,more tape and more paint...oh and then assembly :lol:

Mark...

99 to Life 11-29-2016 12:52 PM

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ah man, I don't miss this stage of the engine you are at. Brake cleaner really works wonders. I use the air hose alot too. I also used a rosebud on a propane tank, would heat the block up, seemed to help. Just gotta keep going back and forth with "cleaners/degreasers" then a brake cleaner and heat and air. Then back and forth. Wire brush, flathead screwdriver and a mix of other tools like your dremel will def help. Yours looks like alot of hours already went into it or it was just a pretty decent start. Mine had clumps of grease all over it. I shoulda got a better candidate.

Advanced Design 11-29-2016 07:08 PM

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Thanks Lower, Mark and 99. Amazon will have Super Clean here by Friday.

Mark, that engine looks really good! Is that the one that went in the Dodge?

99, you are right, there are several hours invested in the engine cleaning so far. Wouldn't it be nice to start with a clean new piece?

Just a friendly reminder for all of us that brake clean can be hazardous when burned. This is worth a read...http://www.brewracingframes.com/safe...sgene-gas.html

mongocanfly 11-29-2016 08:07 PM

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Wow Doug...I never knew that about brake cleaner..that's good info..love those valve covers...where did those come from?

Advanced Design 11-29-2016 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mongocanfly (Post 7782461)
Wow Doug...I never knew that about brake cleaner..that's good info..love those valve covers...where did those come from?

Those are from Wegner Automotive in Wisconsin. http://www.wegnerautomotive.com

They don't have much content on their website so check out their FB page for pictures.

They build really nice components and accessory drives.

hotrodelrod 11-29-2016 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Advanced Design (Post 7782489)
Those are from Wegner Automotive in Wisconsin. http://www.wegnerautomotive.com

They don't have much content on their website so check out their FB page for pictures.

They build really nice components and accessory drives.

Dang! That is pretty. How do they compare with the big brands (Billet Specialties) in quality and cost?

99 to Life 11-29-2016 09:58 PM

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doug, for sure safety first. I'v read years ago, never clean any metal with brake clean and then weld it.

the wegner stuff looks nice, wish they had a better website. I can't believe the prices these companies charge for LS brackets. I need to get an AC compressor bracket. The
custom serp setup on that pic is really nice. Id like to do away with the factory alt bracket but, its just not in the budget.

Advanced Design 11-29-2016 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hotrodelrod (Post 7782526)
Dang! That is pretty. How do they compare with the big brands (Billet Specialties) in quality and cost?

Rick, I am guessing pretty comparable. These guys have some custom options that are interesting.

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Originally Posted by 99 to Life (Post 7782566)
doug, for sure safety first. I'v read years ago, never clean any metal with brake clean and then weld it.

the wegner stuff looks nice, wish they had a better website. I can't believe the prices these companies charge for LS brackets. I need to get an AC compressor bracket. The
custom serp setup on that pic is really nice. Id like to do away with the factory alt bracket but, its just not in the budget.

I wish they had a better website too. Prices are over the top everywhere...so I am still considering a number of accessory bracket options. Hoping I can make the truck set up look good and fit. I don't want to cut the inner fenders.

youngrodder 11-29-2016 11:16 PM

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Yes Doug I wish you would figure out what accessory drive we need to run...I'm just about to mount my front fenders to see what trimming I need to do for the steering linkage.

Marc

lower50's 11-30-2016 08:52 AM

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There is chlorinated and non-chlorinated brake clean. Use the non-chlorinated stuff if your going to do any welding. It's the only kind I use and make sure it is dry. The Wegner web sight is being re done :(

reaper71 11-30-2016 11:18 AM

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Hey Guy's as far as the component brackets go you can go with the Allen Grove Components brackets. This is is the same setup I used on Blakes truck.

Pic #1. This is the high mount setup (truck 5.3) new tensioner and belt inc. $240.00

Pic #2. All mounted to the motor,fairly clean setup.

Pic #3. The dimensions of the kit Only 17" from center of crank pully.

Pic #4. This is the low mount for the (truck 5.3) $175.00

Pic #5. The dimensions are pretty tight to the block providing you have room between the block and your frame this might be a good option.

That being said I used the stock alt bracket from the 5.3 and cleaned it up real nice and painted it black to match the engine as well as the new A/C bracket and they disappear.
I just bought the high mount for John's 49 Dodge as well for his A/C install.
This a cheap alt. to having to spend a boat load on a serp. setup!

reaper71 11-30-2016 11:20 AM

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Doug,to answer your question this is the motor that is going in the 38 chevy for troy. It does not have power steering so the pump was removed from the bracket and the bracket will be shaved to make it more streamlined.

Mark...

reaper71 11-30-2016 11:24 AM

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Blakes all installed for reference

Mark...

joedoh 11-30-2016 11:33 AM

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wow I missed all this and just got caught up! you sure are going the extra mile with your engine, that will really pay off in the looks.


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Originally Posted by Advanced Design (Post 7778727)

Wife arranged a very comfortable shop seating area for the winter, complete with salted peanuts in the shell and cold beverages....nice though it doesn't contribute to getting up and getting to work.

I wish I had the room for that seating area. work is overrated!

Advanced Design 11-30-2016 10:05 PM

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Yes Doug I wish you would figure out what accessory drive we need to run...I'm just about to mount my front fenders to see what trimming I need to do for the steering linkage.

Marc

Hey Marc...almost there. Some time ago in this ginormous build thread I placed pics with width measurements to the inner fenders. I recall the truck alternator and power steering will clear on left side. Right side with AC is more of a problem. Holley has a top mount with a peanut compressor that might clear. Not sure what a peanut compressor is nor if it will work for the Burb. Iceburgh tried the Alan Grove for AC down low and it wouldn't fit. He went with Visual Impact System front runner and they run about $1,900 ish. I had concerns since they don't use an idler. They don't have one in black and that is what I want.

Before you do your inner fenders, check out Oldman3 inners. Very nice fab.

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Originally Posted by lower50's (Post 7782866)
There is chlorinated and non-chlorinated brake clean. Use the non-chlorinated stuff if your going to do any welding. It's the only kind I use and make sure it is dry. The Wegner web sight is being re done :(

Thanks Lower, good info on the brake clean. Yeah, their website has been under construction since I stumbled across them on a Kwhizz build on LS1Tech. They seem to be involved in a number of high end builds, including Ring Brothers.

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Originally Posted by reaper71 (Post 7782975)
Hey Guy's as far as the component brackets go you can go with the Allen Grove Components brackets. This is is the same setup I used on Blakes truck.

Pic #1. This is the high mount setup (truck 5.3) new tensioner and belt inc. $240.00

Pic #2. All mounted to the motor,fairly clean setup.

Pic #3. The dimensions of the kit Only 17" from center of crank pully.

Pic #4. This is the low mount for the (truck 5.3) $175.00

Pic #5. The dimensions are pretty tight to the block providing you have room between the block and your frame this might be a good option.

That being said I used the stock alt bracket from the 5.3 and cleaned it up real nice and painted it black to match the engine as well as the new A/C bracket and they disappear.
I just bought the high mount for John's 49 Dodge as well for his A/C install.
This a cheap alt. to having to spend a boat load on a serp. setup!

Awesome info Mark. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by reaper71 (Post 7782977)
Doug,to answer your question this is the motor that is going in the 38 chevy for troy. It does not have power steering so the pump was removed from the bracket and the bracket will be shaved to make it more streamlined.

Mark...

Beautiful! What did you paint it with?

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Originally Posted by reaper71 (Post 7782983)
Blakes all installed for reference

Mark...

Very nice! Where did you get the black alternator?

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Originally Posted by joedoh (Post 7782990)
wow I missed all this and just got caught up! you sure are going the extra mile with your engine, that will really pay off in the looks.




I wish I had the room for that seating area. work is overrated!

Yeah thanks...I am going for the "Dang, that looks really good!" comments when the hood goes up look. If I can plan and execute it right. My imagination lacks and I bumble along.

Here is a sneak peek of a bit of what I have in mind....

Advanced Design 11-30-2016 10:12 PM

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What would really help the under hood looks department would be if Kees could work his artistry on this big blank firewall. Don't know if you've seen his work...he is very talented. Anyway, it would be freaking awesome if he did.

Burb was just sitting in the shop tonight waiting on me to show up.

youngrodder 11-30-2016 11:41 PM

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Doug

That intake is going to look great in your suburban. it will soak up some of the excess engine bay head space that the AD's have. It looks good seeing it on the ground. In need to barrow the (front) 20's off of my 48 to check fitment up front.

Keep at it. Don't loose sight of your 2nd place trophy.

Marc

reaper71 12-01-2016 10:37 AM

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Doug...answer to ? #1 The paint I used was all rattle bomb first was shot with Epoxy primer and then it was topped off with High Heat Ceramic paint for the block. The Intake was Shop line Satin black I had here at the shop.
Answer ? #2. The alternator was a factory unit That I shot with the same paint as the Intake.

Mark...

RockinKees 12-01-2016 01:48 PM

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Looks like you have a space problem in your Sub, Doug.
The few times I see one overhere they look big.
I reccon a LS motor is bigger then an old small block?

I like the intake setup, is this a High Rise manifold or stock?
Looks good tho!!

And I love to come over and stripe your firewall, I'll even do it for free for you!!
Unfortunatly I'm short on money to buy tickets...
But.....we are thinking about driving a camper through America next year, so who knows what will happen :lol:

Advanced Design 12-01-2016 10:27 PM

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Doug

That intake is going to look great in your suburban. it will soak up some of the excess engine bay head space that the AD's have. It looks good seeing it on the ground. In need to barrow the (front) 20's off of my 48 to check fitment up front.

Keep at it. Don't loose sight of your 2nd place trophy.

Marc

Thanks Marc, surely the 20's will fit your Burb. 2nd place....I need to get in the shop more to get there!

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Originally Posted by reaper71 (Post 7783761)
Doug...answer to ? #1 The paint I used was all rattle bomb first was shot with Epoxy primer and then it was topped off with High Heat Ceramic paint for the block. The Intake was Shop line Satin black I had here at the shop.
Answer ? #2. The alternator was a factory unit That I shot with the same paint as the Intake.

Mark...

Appreciate the info Mark. Please remember, when you and Jim run the paint and interior class I am first in line. I really need to learn some rudimentary painting skills.

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Originally Posted by RockinKees (Post 7783894)
Looks like you have a space problem in your Sub, Doug.
The few times I see one overhere they look big.
I reccon a LS motor is bigger then an old small block?

I like the intake setup, is this a High Rise manifold or stock?
Looks good tho!!

And I love to come over and stripe your firewall, I'll even do it for free for you!!
Unfortunatly I'm short on money to buy tickets...
But.....we are thinking about driving a camper through America next year, so who knows what will happen :lol:

Hey Kees, the LS and SBC are pretty close size wise. The intake is a Holley high rise that I think I will use. From a performance standpoint for horse power or torque it helps absolutely not at all. Probably hurts a bit. And I just want to build one for the look I want...just having fun.

That would be so cool if you guys came through with a camper! We have a lot of space and you would be very welcome. Hope you can do it!

52MNresto sent me a PM suggesting this company might be a good one to check out for accessory drives. Thanks again 52...!
http://www.cvfracing.com/Black-Chevy...pentine-ac.htm

mongocanfly 12-01-2016 10:45 PM

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Wow..that blacked out and dark red looks good on that engine...those valve covers and holley intake you posted would look killer on that paint combo.

Advanced Design 12-01-2016 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mongocanfly (Post 7784347)
Wow..that blacked out and dark red looks good on that engine...those valve covers and holley intake you posted would look killer on that paint combo.

That is a good color combo.....thinking Chevy orange maybe. Coil relo package is on the shelf...

JJorgensen52 12-02-2016 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Advanced Design (Post 7783466)
Hey Marc...almost there. Some time ago in this ginormous build thread I placed pics with width measurements to the inner fenders. I recall the truck alternator and power steering will clear on left side. Right side with AC is more of a problem. Holley has a top mount with a peanut compressor that might clear. Not sure what a peanut compressor is nor if it will work for the Burb. Iceburgh tried the Alan Grove for AC down low and it wouldn't fit. He went with Visual Impact System front runner and they run about $1,900 ish. I had concerns since they don't use an idler. They don't have one in black and that is what I want

Only because you cheated and set the engine back into the firewall :lol: - for me, I had to go to remote power steering reservoir for clearance. I'm running the small Sanden SD7 compressor on a narrow top mount
(http://www.kwikperf.com/lsx_high_mount.html - K10291 , Vintage Air sells this as their own LS mount bracket), and I'm going to have to bump the inner fender out about an inch for clearance. With your engine set back you'll be better off, but I suspect you'll still be too close for comfort.

Nut Case 12-02-2016 03:05 AM

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AD

I got a tip from a certified welder that worked in the oil field, welding steel casing for the drilling process. He said he uses acetone that he sprays from a spray bottle. He said no harmful fumes, and dries quickly, and cheaper than any cleaner you buy for 4-6 bucks.

I have used it for years and I'm still breathing, and mix any ATF with acetone (50/50) it makes a great solution for rusted fasteners. I've used both and they both work. Just my 2 cents worth.

That intake is "evil"

Keep on keepin on

NC

:o

reaper71 12-02-2016 10:24 AM

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Doug,anytime you ever plan on a road trip with the wife we would love to have you!
Come hangout and goof off in the shop.

Mark...

Advanced Design 12-03-2016 11:06 AM

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Only because you cheated and set the engine back into the firewall :lol: - for me, I had to go to remote power steering reservoir for clearance. I'm running the small Sanden SD7 compressor on a narrow top mount
(http://www.kwikperf.com/lsx_high_mount.html - K10291 , Vintage Air sells this as their own LS mount bracket), and I'm going to have to bump the inner fender out about an inch for clearance. With your engine set back you'll be better off, but I suspect you'll still be too close for comfort.

Hey JJ, good to see you back! Yep, this is the ac mount I considered from VA. Somewhere I posted measurement pics with engine in relation to inner fenders. The right side would be close...and inch massage will look ok to me. I want to avoid sticking half the compressor through the inner fender.

Here are the dimensions from the one you linked to. Thanks again. Hope you can get back on Red Herring soon.

Advanced Design 12-03-2016 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nut Case (Post 7784523)
AD

I got a tip from a certified welder that worked in the oil field, welding steel casing for the drilling process. He said he uses acetone that he sprays from a spray bottle. He said no harmful fumes, and dries quickly, and cheaper than any cleaner you buy for 4-6 bucks.

I have used it for years and I'm still breathing, and mix any ATF with acetone (50/50) it makes a great solution for rusted fasteners. I've used both and they both work. Just my 2 cents worth.

That intake is "evil"

Keep on keepin on

NC

:o

Thanks for the tip NC. My uncle use to mix atf with diesel fuel for rusted fasteners that worked pretty well too.

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Originally Posted by reaper71 (Post 7784615)
Doug,anytime you ever plan on a road trip with the wife we would love to have you!
Come hangout and goof off in the shop.

Mark...

Mark, that would be awesome and is on our list!

reaper71 12-03-2016 03:25 PM

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Awesome! just let me or Dad know when and we will be ready for ya ;)

Mark...

JJorgensen52 12-03-2016 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Advanced Design (Post 7785391)
Hey JJ, good to see you back! Yep, this is the ac mount I considered from VA. Somewhere I posted measurement pics with engine in relation to inner fenders. The right side would be close...and inch massage will look ok to me. I want to avoid sticking half the compressor through the inner fender.

Here are the dimensions from the one you linked to. Thanks again. Hope you can get back on Red Herring soon.

You and me both!! Sometime in March, it's looking like. Job and all that.

I can install the compressor on the engine as it sits with the stock inners, but the pulley is *just* touching and the tensioner sits about a 1/4" too far outboard (below the compressor) to work with my engine location. I figured an inch would do me, that way I'll have 3/4" clearance and enough space to actually get a belt around the thing. I may bump it a little more than that, time will tell.

Advanced Design 12-03-2016 09:58 PM

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Awesome! just let me or Dad know when and we will be ready for ya ;)

Mark...

Will do...just need to do a road trip. You need a left front fender for Jim's truck? I just bought another pair of nice ones.

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Originally Posted by JJorgensen52 (Post 7785865)
You and me both!! Sometime in March, it's looking like. Job and all that.

I can install the compressor on the engine as it sits with the stock inners, but the pulley is *just* touching and the tensioner sits about a 1/4" too far outboard (below the compressor) to work with my engine location. I figured an inch would do me, that way I'll have 3/4" clearance and enough space to actually get a belt around the thing. I may bump it a little more than that, time will tell.

Ok, that sounds like a small out blister in the inner fender will clear for you. I am going to look at that along with stock truck for alternator and ps....plus the trick front mounts. Oh and I've had a strong urge to buy a 1960's Buick too...found a nice 65 Skylark, and a 67 sport wagon...talking myself out of them too.

Worked on the fuel fill today and made a little progress. The fuel fill 90 degree elbow worked really well. Here I made use of a couple feet of 2 inch tubing to determine where hole needs to be. The digital angle finder was pretty handy to make sure the pipe runs uphill from the tank fill.

Advanced Design 12-03-2016 10:02 PM

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And the outer fill pipe is coming through about right here. Now to figure out where it needs to pass through the fender. Hmm...make a pattern of the fender, make a wire form buck of the fender...?...lots of complicated ideas.

Advanced Design 12-03-2016 10:08 PM

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Finally thought of a much simpler solution and made a copy of the fuel fill pipe, except with a card board tube for the end.

Install the fender, insert the tube, trimming the card board end of the tube until it just touched the fender. Marked the contact area on the inside of the fender, pulled fender back off, drilled hole with hole saw and reinstalled.

Advanced Design 12-03-2016 10:11 PM

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When your floor and inner wheel well are sprayed with Lizard Skin it's a good idea to chase out the threads before bolting the fender on. Amazingly I did think of doing this before installing the fender.

Advanced Design 12-03-2016 10:16 PM

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Just a little shaving on the fender and inner fender holes and this fill pipe should be good. This will permit the fill to drop into the hole a little more. Thanks dwcsr...nice job.

youngrodder 12-03-2016 11:08 PM

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Looks good (per usual) Doug.
is the plan to cut the filler tube at an angle so that the cap is close to the same angle as the fender?

Marc

Advanced Design 12-03-2016 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by youngrodder (Post 7785976)
Looks good (per usual) Doug.
is the plan to cut the filler tube at an angle so that the cap is close to the same angle as the fender?

Marc

Thanks Marc, Yes, going for cap being parallel to the fender. I think if the fill drops in a little more, after a bit of hole clearancing, the cap will be there. If not, we will cut, chop, weld...


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