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Thanks for the input fellas!
I finally got the engine fired up this past week after much frustration. Turns out the provided frame mounted fuel pump was working just enough to move fuel to the throttle body but not enough pressure for the injectors. Then it just quit altogether. So the next day I picked up an in-tank tbi fuel pump and the engine fired right off. Ran it up to temp and got it timed. Then ran it long enough for the cam break in. But now I'm fighting a sudden engine shut off problem. The engine starts up fine, cold or warm, and will come down to normal idle and then just shut down like the ignition switch is being switched off. No stumbling or rough running. Just shuts off. So I'll be on the phone tomorrow with tech support and see if we can work through this problem. Also got the brakes pretty much dialed in. All the steering linkage torqued down. All the re-wiring and plumbing for the new fuel pump completed. The clutch is also not quite right. I've got the wedge adjusted all the way out to the end of the slave cylinder rod but the clutch is dis-engaging way too close to the floor. I think the Land Cruiser slave that I'm using does not have enough stroke length. The transmission does go into gear without grinding but it will need a solution. And thankfully, no leaks (so far)! |
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For reference what bore size and travel are your current master and slave setup? I know you can play around with how much pressure it takes on pedal and how far the master has to travel for clutch engagement with bore diameters.
If all else you can also move the placement of the master on the pedal for different travel ratio but not sure if you will have to go that far. |
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Thanks Taco. Haven't yet had a chance to look into the clutch hydraulics. Been working on my engine stalling problem and was able to solve that today with a new ignition module.
I've also been working on the brakes. They work but the pedal is not good. I think I have the wrong size plumbing at the MC or I have lines crossed at the prop valve. Today the right rear wheel cylinder exploded. Fluid everywhere and the brake drum locked up. But it was the rear chamber of the MC that drained. I thought the rear larger chamber was for the front disc brakes. I'm using 71 or 72 K20 MC |
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Yeah as far as I have ever seen the larger res is for the disk brakes so you might want to check plumbing. Would also explain it exploding since you would be forcing more fluid at higher pressure than wheel cylinder could take.
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As the song says - " Life is hard when you're dumb ". A seriously bad plumbing mistake. Two in fact. Yikes!!
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Just read through your build thread. Really like your work. I would like to ask where you got the dashboard AC air deflect vents chromed. The 2 ball deflectors are plastic, was it hard to find someone to do those? I am looking to have my originals rechromed. I have a 66 K-10 that I am working on currently. I plan on keeping it the way it left the factory.
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[QUOTE=chtr65;8822524]Just read through your build thread. Really like your work. I would like to ask where you got the dashboard AC air deflect vents chromed. The 2 ball deflectors are plastic, was it hard to find someone to do those? I am looking to have my originals rechromed. I have a 66 K-10 that I am working on currently. I plan on keeping it the way it left the factory.[/QUO
I'll try and dig up that information tonight. |
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All is good with the brakes now. Re-plumbed with the correct size lines into the correct ports of the prop valve. New wheel cylinder and brake shoes at the problem wheel. A little more fine tuning at the pushrod should make it just right.
Regarding the clutch. I'm pretty sure the slave is not correct for this application. It is for a Land Cruiser and it just doesn't seem to push the clutch for in far enough to completely dis-engage the clutch. I took a chance using it because it fit the bracket I have without modification. I do have a slave which is supposed to be match for the master but I'll need to modify the slave mounting bracket in order to use it. I'll play around with it this week and see if I can figure something out. |
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The slave cylinder used in the kit is the exact same one used for the 60-62 trucks. These slaves have a one inch bore. The slave I had originally wanted to use has a 7/8 inch bore, thus the 7/8 inch bore master from Captainfab. So this week I obtained a new Wilwood one inch bore mc to match the slave and now all is good with the clutch. And worth mentioning. I also had to change out the brake booster to a smaller 9 inch unit. The new clutch mc is bigger than the old one and came into contact with the 11 inch booster being used. Photo of the new set up - |
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Glad you got it worked out! So now that you have it running are you starting to get the itch that you need to rush to get it together and drive it? I know when I hit the part of a build where it can move under its on power I really feel motivated to get it together quick and get the first real drive in.
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The itch is there alright but I have to be patient. I still have some restoration work to do on both doors, seat and console configuration, flooring..... The list still seems endless. This week the task is to figure out how to fit four shift levers through the tranny hump. Got some ideas though. Stay tuned. |
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Update for this week.
I worked on making holes in the transmission cover for the all the levers. The cover is new from LMC. It is well made but will require the grinding wheel in a couple of areas for proper fit. I'll show that coming up soon. Making holes for the transmission and overdrive shift levers were pretty straight forward. The hole for the twin stick t-case shifter is way more complicated for a fabrication novice such as myself. First off, I am not using the cable operated shifter mentioned in an earlier post. I couldn't make it work with this truck. I ended up going with ORD's (Off Road Design) twin stick shifters that use rods and heim joints. The ORD shift levers are at least twice as tall than the one's for the cable shifters. They look more old school, kinda like you would see in an Napco truck. I did use the nobs from the cable shifters on the ORD levers because they have the shift patterns on the knobs themselves. ORD only gives generic round knobs and a sticker to show shift pattern. There isn't enough room on the trans cover for the twin sticks to mount flat on the cover. My mock up was to make a flat extension off to the passenger side of the cover using some sheet metal. The man that is going to do my exhaust is also a talented sheet metal fabricator, and he can definitely work off this idea. I also changed out the throttle linkage rod. I was temporarily using the stock V8 dog leg rod. Finally got a proper straight rod and swivel joints. Nice and smooth now. |
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What about just forming the metal plate down on that one side to follow the tunnel shape? Maybe too much of a turn for the boot material to bend?
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I'll try and post better pics of all this later. Right now everything is covered for door jam painting. |
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Moving forward with re-assembly while waiting for my appointment for the exhaust and trans cover sheet metal work.
I re-installed the passenger side door along with new door weatherstrip gaskets for both sides. Then I got the passenger side fender to cab seal done and re-mounted that. At the same time I put on my new fender emblems in place of the stock "20" ones. One thing with my Vintage Air system that I didn't like was how the condenser moved around so much. I could see how it would shake and possibly break the mounting points on bad or wash board roads. But the condenser has some tabs that can used to attach additional support brackets to. So I made one for each side, and that made for a much more solid attachment. Lastly, I worked on getting the front light harness out to the core support. This was also a good opportunity to fab up a headlight relay mod for lo and hi beams. Threw in the horn too. |
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Well things are still moving along. A lot of the boring tasks are getting finished up as well as some of the more interesting things.
Finished up the headlight on new grill. Also installed new bezels and headlights. |
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This week I was able to get the truck down to the shop to address the transfer case shifter mounting issue and have the exhaust system fabbed up. Here are some pics of the t-case shifters. I think it came out perfect.
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That came out really nice!
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And this week has been good too. Front and rear glass is in with the front being new and re-using the existing rear one. Exhaust is finished with two inch pipes from the manifolds into a three inch single pipe with a cat and magnaflow muffler. |
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I read through your build but didnt see it.
The overdrive and where did you get it. Thanks Ken |
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Striaght6, thanks for commenting! |
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Thanks
I bought a lot of advance stuff over the years. Again Thanks Ken |
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So I cant find the overdrive for GM on Summit or the advance site
You would not know the part number. Thanks for your time. Ken |
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Time for an update!
More little things and some bigger things getting done. Worked on the tranny cover some more to get it to fit the floor properly. It needed most bolt holes dremeled out a little bit at the 11 o'clock position and the front upper edge ground back slightly. I got this cover from LMC and overall it's a well made piece. Next was the floor covering. I laid down a heat/sound layer and then a vinyl floor cover. That vinyl covering is a pain in the neck to install but came out not half bad. If I had to do it again I would go with rubber or carpet. I still need to adjust the area around the t-case shifter so it fits around that tranny cover extension a little better. With the vinyl covering in I got the shifters and boots installed. Still need to order the main transmission shifter boot. |
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Pic of the mostly finished flooring. Glove box door and temporary driver seat also installed.
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Also got the t-case linkage finished up(I've trimmed up the vertical linkage extensions since this pic was taken). So now there is 4 wheel drive function!
Will soon be having the ac system charged up. But first had to terminate the power and grounds for the Vintage Air unit as well as clean up some of the wiring near the battery. With the exception of the cold air function, the VA unit tested good, although the fan switch is very inconsistent. I'll need to speak with VA about that next week I started to play around with bed ideas too. I grabbed some 2x6's and mocked up something to look at. At this point I'm leaning towards 80 inches wide by 102 inches long. |
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After settling on a blurred vision for a bed configuration I went ahead and ordered some steel. It will mainly consist of 2x3 and 1 1/2x1 1/2 rectangular tubing. All with 3/16 wall. The decking will be 2x6 wood. Don't know what kind of wood just yet, although I can get some redwood free.
When I got the steel home I did another basic mock up to get a visual. |
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Today I started putting the bed frame together. I'm using all of the factory bed mounting locations. 2x2 rectangular tube blocks were cut to mount the main rails to. The blocks are bolted down with grade 8 half inch bolts. The main rails will then be welded to the blocks
This truck had a hard life before I got it. The rear portion of the frame is a bit tweaked to say the least. But with a little shimming of the mounting blocks, the main rails came out square and level. |
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Good looking progress :) Was that vinyl floor covering just a generic rolled vinyl material?
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I decided I didn't like that frame to frame contact so I lifted the new bed and used all 10 factory mounting locations. And that extra half inch made a perfect gap for the fuel filler hose. I am by no means an expert in any of this stuff. But I think they cut a few corners when they mounted the old bed by not using all on of the available mounting locations. In fact, that area where there was frame to frame contact has some slight but noticeable deformation. You can actually see the slight bow in the top inside edge of the truck frame in the first pic. I hope that answers your question. If you want any photos from other angles, just holler. |
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Thanks that helps a lot. Makes much more sense to me now. I thought you might be raising it some for the gas tank fill. I had to cut some of my bed on my 65 for the side gas tank fill...There is a 1/2" gap in the below picture from bed rail to frame rail? Are you going to fill this gap with anything?
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For now I'll leave that gap open. I don't expect much bending or deflection in that area. But we'll see once the truck is loaded up to it's trip ready weight.
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More progress on the bed. Got the 1 1/2 x1 1/2 cross rails and the 2x3 outside rails in today. Now just need to finish up the welding.
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The bed is going to look so good! Are you buying your steel tubing locally? Mind saying how much you think the bed will cost? I looked yesterday and haven't found a local source yet and online pricing was crazy. Thanks
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