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jaros44sr 11-02-2012 02:10 PM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
Hey, dale 99.....

Have another favor to ask. Could you show me how your coil is mounted on your intake? Was told today, as i was ordering my FAST XFI, that my coil could mount up like the camaros...any help?

Thank you for getting me past the pcv system

Dale99 11-02-2012 02:18 PM

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My coil is not normal. Normal is on the passenger side of the intake, bracket bolted to the left 2 rear bolts.

like this if the link will work.
http://s3.beta.photobucket.com/user/paulo57509/media/camaro/coilbracket-mod.jpg.html?filters[term]=recent&filters[primary]=images

Dale99 11-02-2012 02:31 PM

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there we go. Thats the coil on the left of the pic, thats cut off. There is a "z" bracket that bolts to the intake. Then you have an L shapped bracket that the coil bolts to, that sits on the z bracket.

I dont even have that stuff to assemble and snap pics of for you.

jaros44sr 11-02-2012 03:07 PM

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Thanks, thats a start....wonder if gm might still have that stuff. I have a MSD coil, so i will have to modify it anyway

Thank you for your time:smoke:

Dale99 11-02-2012 05:50 PM

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which msd coil? They make a "oem replacement" one, which is what I'm running. Its just not in the stock location.

Found a pic of my setup from a few years ago online. Coil is still in this location, but everything else is different.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7371417_n.jpg

jaros44sr 11-02-2012 06:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5681903)
which msd coil? They make a "oem replacement" one, which is what I'm running. Its just not in the stock location.

Found a pic of my setup from a few years ago online. Coil is still in this location, but everything else is different.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7371417_n.jpg

Ill have to let you know tomorrow, maybe 6al. Thats where i wanted to mount my coil, above the distri.

Dale99 11-02-2012 10:39 PM

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6al is a controller box which does the same thing as a computer system. IIRC you still need an actual coil.

jaros44sr 11-02-2012 10:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5682476)
6al is a controller box which does the same thing as a computer system. IIRC you still need an actual coil.

Yeah, i knew that! Just got busy and forgot to go back and fix my mistake. As soon as i typed it, i knew i was wrong. But, i had a brain fart, and went on to something else
Sorry

jaros44sr 11-03-2012 11:14 AM

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Hey Dale, my coil is blaster gm pn8226, any closer pics of how you mounted your coil.
Thanks for any help

Dale99 11-04-2012 07:24 PM

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1 Attachment(s)
8226 ;)

jaros44sr 11-04-2012 11:30 PM

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Thanks bud, thats about what i was thinking....theres two problems you got me past.

XFI should be in mon. tues., a whole can of worms

Dale99 11-05-2012 07:39 AM

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Xfi??

jaros44sr 11-05-2012 02:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5686384)
Xfi??

Hopefully ill show you a pic tommorrow...just found a oem coil bracket on ebay

jaros44sr 11-06-2012 02:14 PM

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Holy crap Batman, this is not my forte! This mod. is going to take awhile

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8490/8...968cff87_c.jpg
20121106_123426 by jarosaj, on Flickr

Dale99 11-06-2012 03:39 PM

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ohhh, a pcm. I grew up with an electrician, so wiring is not difficult for me. But just take your time, dont rush it.

jaros44sr 11-06-2012 04:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5688819)
ohhh, a pcm. I grew up with an electrician, so wiring is not difficult for me. But just take your time, dont rush it.

Every bundle is clearly written, with one way plugs, but just trying to lay it out now. Seems to be the passenger side kick panel may be to best location for mounting the PCM, whatever that stands for...

Consider yourself lucky to have electrical background, it doent come easy to me. Trust me, i will be on the phone alot to the technicians at FAST. First step in the directions states to only run plus and negative to the battery, no intermittent leads any where. Not heeding this advise is the leading cause of problems. Also, running pcm wires to close to the ignition wires, and spark plug wires

Now i have to find about a 4" holesaw, location right above trans. cover

Dont rush it....possibly you havnt noticed when i started my build. lol

Captainfab 11-07-2012 02:14 AM

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Is that harness designed specifically for the TPI?

Dale99 11-07-2012 07:48 AM

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You have pcm, or ecm.

PCM=Powertrain control module.
ECM=Engine control module.

Main difference, if it controls the transmission and more (ABS, traction control, transfer case, etc). So that may just be a "ECM".

jaros44sr 11-07-2012 12:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 5689901)
Is that harness designed specifically for the TPI?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5690017)
You have pcm, or ecm.

PCM=Powertrain control module.
ECM=Engine control module.

Main difference, if it controls the transmission and more (ABS, traction control, transfer case, etc). So that may just be a "ECM".

301100 main harness(gm tpi) 359.95. Why do you ask? Are you going to try and get your system going...

Thanks for the explanation, i have pcm

Captainfab 11-08-2012 02:19 AM

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No, just curious if FAST makes a retrofit harness for the TPI for use with the XFI, or if you had to modify one to work.


So the EFI will control an electronic transmission?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 5690326)
301100 main harness(gm tpi) 359.95. Why do you ask? Are you going to try and get your system going...

Thanks for the explanation, i have pcm


jaros44sr 11-08-2012 11:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 5691487)
No, just curious if FAST makes a retrofit harness for the TPI for use with the XFI, or if you had to modify one to work.


So the EFI will control an electronic transmission?

Dealer said it would also control the trans., but i dont have the money for that mod., yet.

jaros44sr 11-09-2012 12:01 PM

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Location,location,location.....

Fourth possible mounting spot. Considered face of heater box, passenger side kick panel, firewall behind glovebox, and now inside glovebox. Leaning towards inside, making new sheetmetal glovebox/pcm mount

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7115/8...76fcb1fc_c.jpg
20121109_105059 by jarosaj, on Flickr

jaros44sr 11-09-2012 01:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 5663178)
Well, not really...been laid up for a couple weeks with a banged up ankle!

Got the fuel regulater mounted in the fuel rail, so that part just needs the gauge.

Waiting on a couple thousand to come in to buy my FAST XFI system, then i should have lots to do. Right now im just plugging away at little stuff to keep busy, feels good to be able to stand up again:lol:
Guys over at -----------------have been really helpful, making sure i dont buy the wrong part or something i dont need. This really helps when you have no idea what your doing!

My main problem is the PCV system. Bought the valve yesterday to put in the vc, but that is all i know of the stock system. Dunno where it gets plugged into the plenum....searched and searched, read and read, but cant find any actual pictures of what the system looks like. Found some diagrams, so i know where it goes, just not how it actually hooks up with the fittings and size of vacuum lines...ill keep searching, i know the info is out there, maybe buy an old assembly manual for an '85 corvette

Been meanin' to post up on your build thread to see what youre up to...i know you made progress

Thanks for lookin

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Dale99 11-09-2012 03:09 PM

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In my old show truck s10 I used the glove box to hold my pcm, HATED IT. I would suggest behind and under the dash.

jaros44sr 11-09-2012 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5693816)
In my old show truck s10 I used the glove box to hold my pcm, HATED IT. I would suggest behind and under the dash.

Thanks for the input, illpost up a pic of the mount. Should be deeper in the glove box area, closer to the firewall, and then remake cardboard glovebox...lmk, what you think after i make the mount. Just thought i should be able to see the leds

Maybe make the back of the glovebox out of plexiglass

Dale99 11-09-2012 06:52 PM

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the plexiglass idea is good! Its your truck so do as you wish, just letting you know my experience.

jaros44sr 11-09-2012 10:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5694098)
the plexiglass idea is good! Its your truck so do as you wish, just letting you know my experience.

Still open to options, once i pull the glovebox, ill be able to see how much room i have behind it

Just found a new source for TPI parts, they had my two cables, one for coil to distri., and one for power to coil

tpi parts.net
Cape Coral, Fla

Captainfab 11-10-2012 02:17 AM

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What'd you do that for?

I was just wondering where you bought the XFI ECM.


Quote:

Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 5693703)
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jaros44sr 11-10-2012 08:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 5694820)
What'd you do that for?

I was just wondering where you bought the XFI ECM.

All the mail order speed shops carry it for less then i paid.....the owner of the company where i bought it, tried the bait and switch on me. On friday, they said they ordered it. Come tuesday, they said it had arrived. Curious, since it wasnt wrapped in plastic, i opened the box. It was damaged from mounting, so i asked him. He said that it was just mocked up. OK, turned it over, and the date of manufactor was 2008.

I refused to take it, and he ordered another one that arrived on thursday. Just left a untrusting feeling, but he did make it right. I wasnt going to say anything, but since you asked. I have found another speed shop in my area with a dyno, so i will be using him for the final tune

Finally, i have an idea of where to mount it....passenger side kick panel. Thanks Dale

Captainfab 11-11-2012 01:32 AM

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Aaahhhh I understand :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 5695853)
All the mail order speed shops carry it for less then i paid.....the owner of the company where i bought it, tried the bait and switch on me. On friday, they said they ordered it. Come tuesday, they said it had arrived. Curious, since it wasnt wrapped in plastic, i opened the box. It was damaged from mounting, so i asked him. He said that it was just mocked up. OK, turned it over, and the date of manufactor was 2008.

I refused to take it, and he ordered another one that arrived on thursday. Just left a untrusting feeling, but he did make it right. I wasnt going to say anything, but since you asked. I have found another speed shop in my area with a dyno, so i will be using him for the final tune

Finally, i have an idea of where to mount it....passenger side kick panel. Thanks Dale


jaros44sr 11-11-2012 11:49 PM

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Mocked up to see where the rest of the harness will lay. First attempt, pcm was to high, and interfered with the bottom of the dash
Using the holes for the heater control, and a tab on the heater box
If i mounted it on the kickpanel, there was a chance water would drip on it, so im going to try it here

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8207/8...55d89fb2_c.jpg
20121111_224030 by jarosaj, on Flickr

jaros44sr 11-15-2012 03:21 PM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
Dale 99, wonder if i could ask another favor, pic...

Need to know where your MAP sensor is located, maybe even a pic of the bracket. 1985 didnt have a boss on the plenum for the bracket. So, i have to come up with a mod.

Your coil mount inspired me to copy it...ty

Dale99 11-15-2012 03:48 PM

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My upper plenum is the correct for my year, 90-92, so it has a threaded boss for the bracket on what would be the rear, right side. It has an L-shaped bracket. I made one out of aluminum for a year or so, tell I found a GM one. The map has an elbow that comes out the bottom, and goes right into a vac port.... which your 85 wont have as you mentioned.

You can t some of that off, or I have seen people drill/tap the plenum for extra ports. Or a popular mod is to move the IAT sensor from the bottom of the plenum into the air stream, and then put a hose barb there for more vac ports.

I dont have car with me at moment, so I cant take pics. Will check in a min to see if one of my facebook pics shows it. :edit: nope, will have to take one for you later.

jaros44sr 11-15-2012 04:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5704282)
My upper plenum is the correct for my year, 90-92, so it has a threaded boss for the bracket on what would be the rear, right side. It has an L-shaped bracket. I made one out of aluminum for a year or so, tell I found a GM one. The map has an elbow that comes out the bottom, and goes right into a vac port.... which your 85 wont have as you mentioned.

You can t some of that off, or I have seen people drill/tap the plenum for extra ports. Or a popular mod is to move the IAT sensor from the bottom of the plenum into the air stream, and then put a hose barb there for more vac ports.

I dont have car with me at moment, so I cant take pics. Will check in a min to see if one of my facebook pics shows it. :edit: nope, will have to take one for you later.

Thanks for the speedy response...i have a larger port along side of my fuel reg.
port, was going to use that. Your right, parts are hard to find, i do have a 'L' shaped bracket that i havent found the home for yet, maybe ill get lucky and it will be my map sensor bracket

Found new tpi parts supplier, just nothing for used parts. Been hanging out at the FAST XFI forum, asking questions and reading. Starting to get a grasp on all this new terminolgy, and what goes where

Take your time on the pic, as i have lots of other things to work on:smoke:

Edit...the IAT location may be an option, since i need another port for my brake booster

Dale99 11-15-2012 04:30 PM

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post a pic of the questionable bracket.

brake booster goes in the left rear of the plenum. Kinda gets in the way of the spark plug wires.

Dale99 11-15-2012 09:38 PM

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ok, looked. As for ports on the plenum, I have..
1. hvac.. pass side
2. charcoal canister.. pass side
3. map.. pass side
4. brake booster.. left rear
5. fuel pressure.. underside where IAT use to be.

If you want any of these full size, give me a pm with your email addy.

jaros44sr 11-15-2012 11:36 PM

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Dude, thank you very much for taking the time, just the info i needed...i dont think the bracket i have is a map bracket, close to that but no cigar. Its gotta go somewhere

Those fat runners look great on there!

Captainfab 11-16-2012 01:21 AM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
Is that a L31 Vortec distributor I see?

http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...1&d=1353029892


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5704761)
ok, looked. As for ports on the plenum, I have..
1. hvac.. pass side
2. charcoal canister.. pass side
3. map.. pass side
4. brake booster.. left rear
5. fuel pressure.. underside where IAT use to be.

If you want any of these full size, give me a pm with your email addy.


Dale99 11-16-2012 08:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 5705208)
Is that a L31 Vortec distributor I see?

Correct Sir, I did the 0411 pcm swap so I have true SFI, rather then batch injecting.

Dale99 11-16-2012 09:06 AM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 5705018)
Dude, thank you very much for taking the time, just the info i needed...i dont think the bracket i have is a map bracket, close to that but no cigar. Its gotta go somewhere

Those fat runners look great on there!

Post a pic of that bracket.

The runners really helped on the upper rpm range. Most people say TPI chokes out at about 4500, Ive spun this thing up to 5800.

crate 350
alumn vette heads
LT1 cam
stamped rockers(tried full rollers and couldnt make them stay tight)
ported vette base intake
large port runners
modified plenum (got rid of egr wall and hogged out for larger runners)
stock throttle body, but added splitter
0411 pcm swap
stock air intake (heres my choke)
aluminum crank/alt pully

Id like to get the base intake you have, but for stock heads. :metal:


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