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jaros44sr 11-16-2012 12:23 PM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
Nice improvements to the engine, Dale. Ill look into the egr mod. Found the ac delco map senser at tpi parts.net

Picked up the harness from my coil to the distri. there too

I see a boss on the plenum at the location you indicated, heres the mystery bracket. Where did you find your map bracket, still searching the net

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Dale99 11-16-2012 06:59 PM

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Ive never seen a bracket like that before.

You "could" drill n tap that, but your taking a risk of a vac leak. I would look at mounting it else where, like maybe on the same bracket as the coil? You depend on how long your wires are for it.

jaros44sr 11-16-2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5706274)
Ive never seen a bracket like that before.

You "could" drill n tap that, but your taking a risk of a vac leak. I would look at mounting it else where, like maybe on the same bracket as the coil? You depend on how long your wires are for it.

Wait, i wasnt planning on mouting it where it sits, just sat it there for display. It will get mounted in the factory location if at all possible

Dale99 11-16-2012 09:15 PM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
I was saying to mount both away from the motor on a custom bracket. But the coil is self grounding, so it needs to be on metal.

Captainfab 11-17-2012 02:49 AM

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Very good upgrade.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5705396)
Correct Sir, I did the 0411 pcm swap so I have true SFI, rather then batch injecting.


Dale99 11-17-2012 10:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 5707001)
Very good upgrade.

Ehh... I wish I knew how to tune. I have a few issues.

jaros44sr 11-17-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5707191)
Ehh... I wish I knew how to tune. I have a few issues.

If you can hook it up to a computer to get the readings, i may be able to help. Dont know if your pcm can download...

Dale99 11-17-2012 02:36 PM

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Oh, Ive "tuned" it. But I have no clue wtf I am doing. I use Efilive to tune.

Fixing to send you pm about parts.

jaros44sr 11-17-2012 03:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5707511)
Oh, Ive "tuned" it. But I have no clue wtf I am doing. I use Efilive to tune.

Fixing to send you pm about parts.

Been reading over on the fast product tech forum, alot of info. over there as to where the settings should be

Captainfab 11-18-2012 03:13 AM

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Sorry but I won't be any help as far as tuning. I haven't got to that point yet. I'm rather aprehensive about it as I don't know what I'm doing either. I want to learn but I have a feeling the curve is going to be big.

Have you tried the Efilive forum? How about the GM Performance forum?

Sorry for the hijack jaros44sr.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5707511)
Oh, Ive "tuned" it. But I have no clue wtf I am doing. I use Efilive to tune.

Fixing to send you pm about parts.


jaros44sr 11-18-2012 09:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 5708541)
Sorry but I won't be any help as far as tuning. I haven't got to that point yet. I'm rather aprehensive about it as I don't know what I'm doing either. I want to learn but I have a feeling the curve is going to be big.

Have you tried the Efilive forum? How about the GM Performance forum?

Sorry for the hijack jaros44sr.

No problem here, captain...its all about the info. Ive spent about aweek reading about fi, and starting to get a grasp on it. Cant say i can diagnose problems, but thats what the smart guys are for on these forums;)

All you have to do is explain what your engine is doing, and they tell you where to look

Gotta luv technology

Dale99 11-18-2012 10:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 5708541)
Have you tried the Efilive forum? How about the GM Performance forum?

Sorry for the hijack jaros44sr.

Efi forum, yes. Couldnt figure it out.
gm forum, uhh.... I was at one other, not sure thats it.

One problem is I am on an automatic tune, and I'm manual.
The other, I may have figured out about 5 years later. But "fixing" it I cant figure out how to. Its not a tune issue, its a physical issue.

Captainfab 11-19-2012 02:00 AM

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This is the other forum I was talking about....

http://www.pacificp.com/forum/index.php

Those guys mainly work with GMT400 and GMT800 trucks, but there are some smart guys there when it comes to EFI tuning. I believe some of the guys there are the ones that came up with the 411 swap. I know Lextech is a member there, and he seems to be the go to guy for the details on the 411 swap.

I don't know if I can help with the physical issue, but I would be willing to try. You can send me a PM if you like so we don't derail this thread too much.

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Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5708714)
Efi forum, yes. Couldnt figure it out.
gm forum, uhh.... I was at one other, not sure thats it.

One problem is I am on an automatic tune, and I'm manual.
The other, I may have figured out about 5 years later. But "fixing" it I cant figure out how to. Its not a tune issue, its a physical issue.


jaros44sr 11-24-2012 10:32 AM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
Had a ahhh ha moment, found an nos hose for the fuel regulator, but it didnt fit right. So, after letting it snap back into its natural position, isaw that i had to clock the fuel regulator
Also, got the pcv barb installed on the intake (permatex), that system seems to be right, just have to bore a hole in the vc for the inlet air
Thanks dale

Getting ready to drill hole in firewall for new fast xfi wiring harness

Map sensor seems to be mounted on plenum above fuel regulator, gotta wait to buy map sensor to figure out final mount. Depending on size of outlet on map, i have one more port along side of the port for regulator. Large port on the right rear of plenum will be used for brake booster

Richard 2717....iwas wondering if you could duplicate the font on this decal, just wider and taller

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jaros44sr 11-26-2012 02:45 PM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
Finally got the FAST dual sync distri., now i can use sequential injector timing. Motor will be happier...
Goota check on the drive gear compatiblity

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richard2717 11-27-2012 09:50 AM

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Jim,
What size are you thinking for the decal
Richard

jaros44sr 11-27-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by richard2717 (Post 5725603)
Jim,
What size are you thinking for the decal
Richard

Thanks for getting back to me. Looked at it again, seems the lenght is ok, but the height has to be changed. The letters on this decal are1/4", i would like them to be 1/2". Do you want me to send the decal to you...

Lenght of letters on decal is 6 1/2"

dujobu 11-28-2012 12:16 AM

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Lookin good Jim. Hope you enjoy that TPI.

sourkraut 11-28-2012 08:49 AM

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That setup looks awesome! Hit it with some bead media to give a nice finish and your set!
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jaros44sr 11-28-2012 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sourkraut (Post 5727628)
That setup looks awesome! Hit it with some bead media to give a nice finish and your set!
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Quote:

Originally Posted by dujobu (Post 5727280)
Lookin good Jim. Hope you enjoy that TPI.

Hey John, thanks for the comps....just always liked the looks and character lines of the tpi. Didnt think the CFO would ever release the funds, but she did. Thanks Honey!

Are you still doing powder coat...glad ya got back to working on your truck, still one of my favs.

Dusty, enjoying the hell outta it. Finally figured out the lay of the engine harness. Map, air and h2o will go down the drivers side. TPS, IAC, wiil run down the other valve cover covers, should keep it symetrical in size and away from noise from power cables. Crank, tbd, as im not sure where that goes

Maybe ill get to drill the hole this weekend, and start pulling cable

Still have to buy ignition box, and fuel pump, filter, injectors, crank trigger, so i am getting close to the end of the spendy things

Had plans to work on it over the holiday, but jeremy was sick for 7 days. What a condition that was for the wifey and i. Spent the whole time between the bathroom, bedroom, an laundry room. Oh well, joys of parenthood with a special son! Hes a tough man....

sourkraut 11-28-2012 10:10 PM

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Yes still doing a little of everything, including coating. I am hoping to be able to really get some work done this winter. Jr has hockey till the end of january then put the hammer down.

jaros44sr 11-29-2012 01:32 PM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
Well got a couple hours to play with the truck. Bored the hole in the firewall, differant kinda holesaw, had grit glued to it, instead of teeth. Worked well, without a lot of grab, saved my wrist....
Finally became the po that cut a hole in the oem firewall. Oh well, some time ya just got to break some eggs to make an omelette

Layed out harness, seems like it will fit well, but will probably have to shorten some of the legs. Talked to Darin at M&H, said he would sell me the fabric loom matrl., will kinda fit the 70's look of the engine bay, as opposed to the 90's look of thesplit plastic loom

Also, will move the factory engine harness over to the drivers side, keeping the power wires AWAY from the sensor leads

One of these days, i will clean up the last of the farmers mud on the firewall. Dunno, kinda became attached to it. Does come off nicely with waterless hand soap

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richard2717 11-29-2012 02:01 PM

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Looking good, did you get my pm

jaros44sr 11-29-2012 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard2717 (Post 5730063)
Looking good, did you get my pm

Yes, thank you very much, just too busy with the arrival of our new baby grand daughter....
22 1/2" 9lbs 6 ozs. Mother and daughter both doing well

The count is now 3 girls, 1 boy.....

Captainfab 11-30-2012 01:02 AM

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Congratulations! :thumbs:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 5730171)
Yes, thank you very much, just too busy with the arrival of our new baby grand daughter....
22 1/2" 9lbs 6 ozs. Mother and daughter both doing well

The count is now 3 girls, 1 boy.....


jaros44sr 12-01-2012 12:14 PM

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Thanks Cap., the family is all excited...my sons comment to me was, Dad, can you teach the girls how to rebuild cars like you taught me....

Just found out that i have to use a crank trigger, thats what the crank lead was for, oh well add that to the list

Plans changed, all the leads will run down the left side of the motor. Its not too bulky

Hey dale 99, do you know what the sensor does in post 1935, its the one to the left of the temp. unit, brass piece goes into the water passage. I dont have any wires going to it....

jaros44sr 12-01-2012 02:31 PM

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Located and ran my IAC, TPS, COOLANT, wires

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Captainfab 12-02-2012 01:56 AM

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I didn't inquire about them, but I knew there had to be some reason those FAST cam-sync distributors were so much less than a MSD. I was kind of thinking they may need a crank trigger.

Dale99 12-02-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 5733641)

Hey dale 99, do you know what the sensor does in post 1935, its the one to the left of the temp. unit, brass piece goes into the water passage. I dont have any wires going to it....

The brown one. That looks like it would be for the cold start injector... I think. Something maf cars had, not map. I think you could remove it.

jaros44sr 12-02-2012 09:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab (Post 5734985)
I didn't inquire about them, but I knew there had to be some reason those FAST cam-sync distributors were so much less than a MSD. I was kind of thinking they may need a crank trigger.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5735165)
The brown one. That looks like it would be for the cold start injector... I think. Something maf cars had, not map. I think you could remove it.

Yep, cap, youre right, just another thing to figure out. Hope it fits without any mods. I could have run in bank to bank, with the msd distri., but the motor will be better off with sequential timing

Thanks dale, i might use that port for the ground on my electric water pump, better control on the on/off cycle

jaros44sr 12-04-2012 01:50 PM

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Had some time to go back and work on the pcv, still have to install oem diffuser in the valve cover

Air in off of TB will be made out of a aluminum tubing

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68 TT 12-05-2012 03:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5735165)
The brown one. That looks like it would be for the cold start injector... I think. Something maf cars had, not map. I think you could remove it.

You are correct, it is the cold start injector sensor. They came on 85-88 cars. 89-92 the function was integrated into the ECM. With your setup you can just take it out and put a pipe plug in the hole.

jaros44sr 12-05-2012 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 68 TT (Post 5740843)
You are correct, it is the cold start injector sensor. They came on 85-88 cars. 89-92 the function was integrated into the ECM. With your setup you can just take it out and put a pipe plug in the hole.

Perfect, now i can run my extra sending unit there for the electric water pump, and still keep the other sending unit in the drivers side head for my water temp. gauge

Its even a 1/2" NPT!!

jaros44sr 12-06-2012 11:34 AM

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Diffuser mounted into the valve cover

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fxdxharley 12-06-2012 12:19 PM

Re: PO has me PO'd
 
building that tpi looks like a lot of work. im sure theres a few head aches too. I was thinking of that route but now not so much. makes a carb sound so much better. lol

Dale99 12-06-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fxdxharley (Post 5743239)
im sure theres a few head aches too.

I always wanted a tpi car once I saw them. I finally have one, and holy crap is it a pita to work on. Partly cause all my aftermarket parts, but some is just a pain anyway.

jaros44sr 12-06-2012 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fxdxharley (Post 5743239)
building that tpi looks like a lot of work. im sure theres a few head aches too. I was thinking of that route but now not so much. makes a carb sound so much better. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5743420)
I always wanted a tpi car once I saw them. I finally have one, and holy crap is it a pita to work on. Partly cause all my aftermarket parts, but some is just a pain anyway.

Ive always enjoyed the mechanical challenges, so far just a plug and play, but i will probably jinx myself with that statement. What i hated was the rust repair, and i still have to goback and repair some of my shoddy work

Carbs are easy, but i couldnt make them work with remote start, or steep angles off road. Maybe by adjusting my fuel pressure down, but that didnt solve the romote start problem

Plus, the cool factor....someday englese eight stack

Thanks to guys like dale, ive gotten past the humps

Wouldve been easier without the vortec heads, and stock valve covers could save some work....although problems with the oem distri. would still have to be addressed

jaros44sr 12-09-2012 12:41 PM

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Finally got the ECU installed where i want it, just some fine tuning. Final plans are to drill and tap(1/4-28) the heater control panel mounting tabs

Still have to change angle of the mount a bit, plus add some sorta support to the heater box. Probably a bolt, spacer, and a nutsert

Power cable is run to the battery

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Dale99 12-09-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 5743623)
Carbs are easy,

Ha. Ive never touched one tell this jimmy. Makes no effing sense to me and I cant figure it out.

I would have rather seen how far I could toss the sob then dealing with it.

jaros44sr 12-10-2012 04:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale99 (Post 5748574)
Ha. Ive never touched one tell this jimmy. Makes no effing sense to me and I cant figure it out.

I would have rather seen how far I could toss the sob then dealing with it.

The good thing about the forum is that we dont have to understand, alot of smart guys that are willing to share information. Drop down to the engine section aand ask them, bet they can figure it out

I did notice that you have a square bore carb on a spread bore intake, dont know if its not sealing up well, and causing a vacuum leak


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