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DeadheadNM 03-20-2020 08:05 PM

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Also thought I’d help the economy along and get some new jeans.

Flmarine71 04-17-2020 12:53 PM

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Good website to research companies:

http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html

The Rocknrod 04-17-2020 02:01 PM

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I was in Ontario, CA working and found a Red Wing store there so I bought a pair cause I had to like right now. They were made in China. One Seasons worth.

burnin oil 04-17-2020 03:06 PM

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I was in Ontario, CA working and found a Red Wing store there so I bought a pair cause I had to like right now. They were made in China. One Seasons worth.

Crazy. When I bought a new pair of Redwing loggers a couple months ago all the top line was made in the states with the cheaper made in thailand.

72c20customcamper 04-18-2020 07:41 PM

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Harley's haven't been All American since AMF started building them in 1973. It started then and has Increased since.

I have 3 Harley's. Sure parts are made in other countries but the tour in York you see most of the sheetmetal made in house along with the frame ,engines forged in Milwaukee. AMF WAS THE WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO HARLEY.

72c20customcamper 04-18-2020 07:50 PM

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Was the exhaust from brand new cars and pickups polluting the Hudson River in 1990 ?????

Yes . Rain pulls down pollution and small streams run into rivers .

72c20customcamper 04-18-2020 08:05 PM

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Had a conversation with a local landscaper he has 7 trucks. Every one says AMERICAN MADE on the windshield. One of the peel and stick jobs . Yes they were made in America but they are owned buy an Italian company . My 3500 CTD was made in Mexico by a German company . He didnt like hearing that, he thought Chrysler bought fiat.

Just like alot of people think they bought Daimler.

1976gmc20 04-18-2020 09:42 PM

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Yes . Rain pulls down pollution and small streams run into rivers .

The NEW cars of the late 1980s and 1990s produced very little pollution.

Of course there were still tens of millions of older vehicles on the road at that time. It has taken a while for most of them to be off the road. Meanwhile the EPA has cranked standards from 95% to 99% pure :rolleyes:

72c20customcamper 04-20-2020 11:38 AM

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The NEW cars of the late 1980s and 1990s produced very little pollution.

Of course there were still tens of millions of older vehicles on the road at that time. It has taken a while for most of them to be off the road. Meanwhile the EPA has cranked standards from 95% to 99% pure :rolleyes:

Like you said took years to see the results. In 1994 wife had a new Ford escort wagon . Basically a Mazda I was driving a 1970 oldsmobile delta 88 convertible. My first new vehicle was a 2008 GMC Savanna extended wb .

They were cleaner than their older counterparts but still produced tons of emissions each year. If they were so clean why do they impose new regulations to clean them up more. And new cars still dump tons of emmisions into the atmosphere every day

72c20customcamper 04-20-2020 11:42 AM

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I was pressed for time when I was doing the rear on my 68 so I got the bearings from Autozone and these were in the box

72c20customcamper 04-20-2020 11:44 AM

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I try to buy American when I can . My Chippewas are American made but they cost $245

1976gmc20 04-20-2020 11:47 AM

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They were cleaner than their older counterparts but still produced tons of emissions each year. If they were so clean why do they impose new regulations to clean them up more. And new cars still dump tons of emmisions into the atmosphere every day

Because once a bureaucracy exists, they have to justify their continued existence even after the original problem has been solved :(

And new cars mostly just emit carbon dioxide and water vapor. In some places polluted by other sources, car exhaust is cleaner than the air going into the engine.

FleetsidePaul 04-20-2020 11:49 AM

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I was pressed for time when I was doing the rear on my 68 so I got the bearings from Autozone and these were in the box

Made in USA....That must have been a shock.

special-K 04-21-2020 08:58 AM

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yeah I prefer American made..i bought a holley intake...it had china on it...really?..i ground the china off of it...

Yep! my machinist says he has to plane more American branded China made manifolds than some no name el cheapos he like better, also made in China
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I used some credit to order safety green stocking cap for roadside walks with my daughter. Pleasantly surprised this Carhartt example I received was Canadian made. :canada:

My old Carhartts were made in Irvine, KY. I've never bought Red Wings not made in USA. Levis are my biggest disappointment. Not even 501s!!!! I think for $80 a pair they could be made in USA! They sure aren't the heavy denim they once were anymore.
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I have 3 Harley's. Sure parts are made in other countries but the tour in York you see most of the sheetmetal made in house along with the frame ,engines forged in Milwaukee. AMF WAS THE WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO HARLEY.

That can be debated. Agreed their reputation on quality went down, but even the new Harley company gave credit to AMF for keeping the company afloat as well as making some positive design advancements. Also for creating the FX line which started a whole new market that was right for America. I've had '74 and '78 Super-Glides and they both were good to me. A favorite bike of mine was a '72 Electro-Glide. The old schoolers didn't like that the company got bought by a golf cart & bowling ball company from the get-go. I think it was mostly just a popular biker attitude to trash AMF more than anything. I know people are paying big money for that era now. Classics made for the hiways of today
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I was pressed for time when I was doing the rear on my 68 so I got the bearings from Autozone and these were in the box

I always bought my bearings at the dealership. In the '80s I bought my first 100% GM made in Japan wheel bearing for a '71. I started buying Timken and have ever since. If I'm not mistaken they are all made here

72c20customcamper 04-21-2020 10:02 AM

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Made in USA....That must have been a shock.

And they were in a durolast box. So I was realy surprised

'63GENIII 04-21-2020 12:37 PM

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I try to buy American when I can . My Chippewas are American made but they cost $245

Would those be Super Loggers? I have a pair for work and the old pair for home. Great boots. If you compare them to a pair of Whites or Wescos which are also made here, they're actually pretty affordable.

72c20customcamper 04-21-2020 04:14 PM

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Would those be Super Loggers? I have a pair for work and the old pair for home. Great boots. If you compare them to a pair of Whites or Wescos which are also made here, they're actually pretty affordable.

No the RYODAN model 8 inch. Bought them to ride . They work on a Harley toe heal shaft but dont work on the Goldwing to well . Honda put a regular up down shift lever on it since it has pegs ,no foot boards . And the boot is to big to get under it comfortably to upshift

LS short box 04-21-2020 10:04 PM

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So I suspect this post won't be popular but over the last 20-30 years we yes we the US consumers have demanded the lowest possible price with little thought to where products come from. US companies had no choice but move manufacturing off shore to be competitive. The big box stores demanded the lowest price possible and if US suppliers wanted their business China or southeast Asia was the answer. Let's keep in mind that to stay in business you need to be profitable. Not defending all of them many had no choice. Then as soon they started production in China the China allowed local companies to copy the products and then marketed them to the big box stores at cost much lower than the US companies could not compete.
I worked for manufacturing company in the Midwest and supplied a machine system to China in the mid -2000's and in less the a year at a manufacturing trade show in the US China was there with a direct copy of our machine. We had dozens of patens on the machine. This machine cost over $1,000,000. Just try suing the China government.
Please do not buy any China made food products.

'63GENIII 04-21-2020 11:49 PM

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Is anybody ready for American made antibiotics?

Your timing was good with this one Larry. Pretty sure I don't want the China made cure for what is ailing our country at the moment.

After we went full blown shelter in place here, my boy was losing it a little bit. Not getting out to ride with his buddies, no school, no girls.

It was tough seeing him get down.

We built his bike ramp and he has been using it a lot but he had wanted to also change up some parts on his BMX bike as well. I hate to ever turn to retail therapy and hate even more to teach it to my kids but this has been a bit of an exception for the last few weeks. He needed something to do and it needed to be something to build him up a little.

We had already popped for a frame for Christmas for him. A bigger BMX frame that suited his 6'2" height. He was 5'0" when he got his last one in '15. The frame is called "The Tallboy" by S&M in Santa Ana. Yes manufactured in So Cal. I happily paid a couple of extra bucks on this purchase.

Fast forward to 3/25 or so. I can tell that he wants to trick out that Tall Boy frame with some cool parts while we are on lockdown here. I ask him to put together a parts list which he quickly does in 15 minutes, maybe less. I look at the list and ask him to refine the list by country of manufacture which he also does but I can tell that he wants to ask why.

The second draft of the list showed most of the parts to be made in China. I asked him to revise the list again and search for the same, equivalent or better parts to replace the first list but the stipulation was that NONE of the parts could be made in China. This time he asked why and the short explanation from me was that China was the main reason that we were on lockdown now and looking for BMX parts to pass the time. I knew that he didn't fully understand but he wasn't about to look a gift horse in the mouth.

What he came up with was as follows;

S&M Twitchforks Santa Ana
S&M Perfect 10s (Bars) Santa Ana
Profile Cranks - Florida
Safari Seat and post - UK
Front and Rear Wheelsets - Taiwan (although they won't won't claim to be part of china) and they're pretty high quality.

All in all, we spent likely +150 for trying to keep it mostly local or US friendly. He was able to see the difference in quality between the new parts vs. the old "pacific rim" parts and he also understood that I make my money from people just like S&M and Profile when they build factories, offices or housing here. One hand washes the other.

He's pretty proud of his bike now and has even pointed out other parts that he's found that are made here. Although my wallet is still recovering from the first round of BMX hotroding, it was a lesson well learned and researched by him. Tuition money well spent on my end;).

'63GENIII 04-21-2020 11:57 PM

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So I suspect this post won't be popular but over the last 20-30 years we yes we the US consumers have demanded the lowest possible price with little thought to where products come from. US companies had no choice but move manufacturing off shore to be competitive. The big box stores demanded the lowest price possible and if US suppliers wanted their business China or southeast Asia was the answer. Let's keep in mind that to stay in business you need to be profitable. Not defending all of them many had no choice. Then as soon they started production in China the China allowed local companies to copy the products and then marketed them to the big box stores at cost much lower than the US companies could not compete.
I worked for manufacturing company in the Midwest and supplied a machine system to China in the mid -2000's and in less the a year at a manufacturing trade show in the US China was there with a direct copy of our machine. We had dozens of patens on the machine. This machine cost over $1,000,000. Just try suing the China government.
Please do not buy any China made food products.

If Im not mistaken, this is what happened with the Bosch / GM Tech 2 Scanners which IIRC, went for several thousand dollars new. Now you can get china knockoffs on AllieExpress or Alliebaba for 2-300$.

As far as the food....

Steeveedee 04-22-2020 12:00 AM

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So I suspect this post won't be popular but over the last 20-30 years we yes we the US consumers have demanded the lowest possible price with little thought to where products come from. US companies had no choice but move manufacturing off shore to be competitive. The big box stores demanded the lowest price possible and if US suppliers wanted their business China or southeast Asia was the answer. Let's keep in mind that to stay in business you need to be profitable. Not defending all of them many had no choice. Then as soon they started production in China the China allowed local companies to copy the products and then marketed them to the big box stores at cost much lower than the US companies could not compete.
I worked for manufacturing company in the Midwest and supplied a machine system to China in the mid -2000's and in less the a year at a manufacturing trade show in the US China was there with a direct copy of our machine. We had dozens of patens on the machine. This machine cost over $1,000,000. Just try suing the China government.
Please do not buy any China made food products.

Right on. This thread may get punted for politicality, but I totally get what you are saying. I worked in defense for 31 years, and counterfeit parts are a real problem.

FleetsidePaul 04-22-2020 02:49 AM

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counterfeit parts are a real problem.

Yes they are. I picked up a girl at a bar once....Eh...Nevermind. :o

Nut Case 04-22-2020 03:04 AM

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Does anyone remember the first time he had to buy a metric wrench to work on a Chevy?

We have been over run......

just sayin

nutz

1976gmc20 04-22-2020 03:35 AM

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I'm proud to say that I eat only American raised bats. :)

LS short box 04-22-2020 04:22 PM

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Are the bats free range or pen raised?

1976gmc20 04-22-2020 06:05 PM

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Are the bats free range or pen raised?

Free range organic :mm:

LS short box 04-22-2020 10:48 PM

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Good old US bats kill bugs not people. China bats modified in labs kill people world wide.

davischevy 04-22-2020 10:53 PM

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Yes they are. I picked up a girl at a bar once....Eh...Nevermind. :o

He'd say "Keep your tallywacker in you pants boy".

Do these two statements have ay relevance?

davischevy 04-22-2020 10:54 PM

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An ordinary brown bat can eat up to 100 percent of their body weight each night, which is about 1/2 ounce. They consume approximately 1,200 insects per hour.

1976gmc20 04-22-2020 11:29 PM

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An ordinary brown bat can eat up to 100 percent of their body weight each night, which is about 1/2 ounce. They consume approximately 1,200 insects per hour.

Just think what an extraordinary brown bat could do! :)

(We have bats living in our attic some summers. They come out in the evening and whiz by our heads when we sit out on the deck.)

special-K 04-23-2020 08:42 AM

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I don't know who made what where, but there sure is a lot of crap sold these days that only serves as "pay for frustration" and putting a buck in Mr Big's pocket.

Just this morning I go out to finish a little project I'm all excited about. I've had this 1/2 round window in my mudroom for decades that is plain glass. I always wondered about making dividers for it, would match my house better and I'm a freak for detail. I make up all the special little pieces from cedar, sand, cut to fit, prime, and paint with the last of that color I had left. Barely was enough, but I was poised to gitter done. Yesterday I go to Walmart and buy a squeeze tube of clear silicone I figured I'd use to adhere and seal to the glass. Today I go out, cut the tip off the tube and squeeze. Nothing. I poke it with a nail and squeeze. Nothing! I HATE THAT! I went out to complete my very special to me project that was going to give me a tickle to see, but NO. I had to buy some oldass product that has been sitting too long or maybe they left too much air in the tube. A simple doggone thing and it's just no good!

A couple weeks ago it was DAP window glazing. I picked up a tub, got home, saw I had already bought one. Not long ago, because I had gone to do this project and discovered the hardly used tub I already had set up on me. I took one of the recently purchased tubs back and even made mention that I would have just kept it for later but it doesn't keep. Just threw a tub out. So I go to do the project. That stuff wasn't hard, but it was too dry to stick to anything. Went to perform a task only to make a mess I had to clean up as I tried to let my frustration subside. I bought a tub of aggravation when I thought it was glazing putty.

About a week before that I bought a pair of aluminum folding sawhorses at Lowe's. Took them to the job, and one of the horse's leg locking mechanisms does not lock when in set-up position! Nice way for someone to get hurt. My very first (and only) use was on a bad sawhorse... ridiculous! I don't go out to perform work just to waste half my time returning junk and getting frustrated! I am very motivated and nothing chaps my britches more than something standing in my way unnecessary standing in my way! ARGH!! This is not what I bought these products for. Happens far too often! Sometimes it seems the only guarantee is somebody just made some money off of me. What I get is secondary.

DeadheadNM 04-23-2020 08:57 AM

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I've been surprised at the quantity of US made goods sold by Menards particularly compared with Lowe's and Home Depot. Menards is privately held unlike the other two and thus no shareholders to appease, which probably accounts for the difference.

Ol Blue K20 04-23-2020 09:02 AM

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I had a brand new spray bomb that wouldn't even hiss. The can feels pressurized too. Very irritating!

davischevy 04-23-2020 12:39 PM

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I've been surprised at the quantity of US made goods sold by Menards particularly compared with Lowe's and Home Depot. Menards is privately held unlike the other two and thus no shareholders to appease, which probably accounts for the difference.

My wife bought a Maxx brand tub from Menards for the remodel and it is Made in the USA.

davischevy 04-23-2020 10:55 PM

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I opened the door on my 05 K2500HD this afternoon and noticed this after fifteen years.

Zippi 04-24-2020 08:14 AM

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I remember the slogan...I'd walk a mile for a Camel. I remember my bothers coming home on leave and they had small packs (4) of Lucky Strikes and Camel cigarettes. I work in an automotive plant in the quality department. Even though we make the body moldings, license plate bucket, front grille, etc. I've seen some strange markings on the semi trucks pumping the plastic pellets into the plant. Even though it's American made it may not be an American product.

burnin oil 04-24-2020 10:47 AM

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I've seen some strange markings on the semi trucks pumping the plastic pellets into the plant. Even though it's American made it may not be an American product.

Something tells me that has a lot to do with environmental regulations. Kind of the same way as how is it cheaper to cast an engine block in Mexico and then ship it here. At this point I would be thankful that they are molding the parts here. I know at one time all the Duramax engines were cast in Japan and shipped to Ohio for machining and assembly.

1976gmc20 04-24-2020 11:04 AM

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I opened the door on my 05 K2500HD this afternoon and noticed this after fifteen years.

Yeah, my "new" 2016 says "Fort Wayne" (Indiana?)

FleetsidePaul 04-24-2020 11:56 AM

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He'd say "Keep your tallywacker in you pants boy".

Do these two statements have ay relevance?

Yup. My old man gave me some good advice right there. :lol:

special-K 04-24-2020 07:29 PM

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I don't know who made what where, but there sure is a lot of crap sold these days that only serves as "pay for frustration" and putting a buck in Mr Big's pocket.

Just this morning I go out to finish a little project I'm all excited about. I've had this 1/2 round window in my mudroom for decades that is plain glass. I always wondered about making dividers for it, would match my house better and I'm a freak for detail. I make up all the special little pieces from cedar, sand, cut to fit, prime, and paint with the last of that color I had left. Barely was enough, but I was poised to gitter done. Yesterday I go to Walmart and buy a squeeze tube of clear silicone I figured I'd use to adhere and seal to the glass. Today I go out, cut the tip off the tube and squeeze. Nothing. I poke it with a nail and squeeze. Nothing! I HATE THAT! I went out to complete my very special to me project that was going to give me a tickle to see, but NO. I had to buy some oldass product that has been sitting too long or maybe they left too much air in the tube. A simple doggone thing and it's just no good!

So I take the tube and receipt back, risking my life a second time, and see that Walmart can't accept returns due to the virus. "Hurry up and ship out those cases of expired silicone caulk to the stores. They can't return it right now and most will lose their receipt by the time this virus thing has passed". Well, not me. Receipt is taped to the tube. I want my $4 back! :lol: (matter of principle) I'll just have to go to a real hardware store and get some real caulk like I should have in the first place. But this curbside service is sure a PIA.

I have a stone walk that is just flat-ish stones laid on the ground, so grass in between and around. Some had sunken a good bit so I pulled them up and brought the grade up, replaced stones, and threw down some seed I had. Well, that was three weeks ago and not a single sprout. Now I remember I had bought a bag of seed that wouldn't take. I guess this was it


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