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ls1nova71 04-06-2014 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6615302)
so I have the newer and returnless, and should be at 58psi ?

If you use a Corvette filter/regulator, then yes it should be at 58psi.

BR3W CITY 04-06-2014 06:31 PM

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That applies to the FF's as well? I thought all the FF's had the lower reg? LOL dammit I thought I had learned something from last time.

desertdogg 04-06-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6615364)
If you use a Corvette filter/regulator, then yes it should be at 58psi.

where can I get one of those ? Summit ? is there a certain model or part # ?
thanks in advance.

dman1982 04-06-2014 09:47 PM

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33737 is the one i just bought, since i messed my first one up

dman1982 04-06-2014 09:48 PM

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btw....mine should be firing up tonight:metal::metal::metal:

desertdogg 04-06-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6615824)
33737 is the one i just bought, since i messed my first one up

Thanks brother !!
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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6615828)
btw....mine should be firing up tonight:metal::metal::metal:

Right on man ! :metal: hope it works without any troubles for you hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be saying the same thing !

dman1982 04-06-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6615865)
Thanks brother !!

Right on man ! :metal: hope it works without any troubles for you hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be saying the same thing !

no problem man....and me too

littlevictories 04-07-2014 09:33 AM

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it's not just the regulators that are different on the flex fuel motors. the injectors are different too.

ls1nova71 04-07-2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BR3W CITY (Post 6615408)
That applies to the FF's as well? I thought all the FF's had the lower reg? LOL dammit I thought I had learned something from last time.

The old vacuum regulated return style fuel rails will pull down the PSI, and it may be low on the newer stuff too with a factory pump, but the Corvette filter/regulator is set at 58psi, so as long as your pump puts out that much, that's what you'll have at the rail.

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Originally Posted by littlevictories (Post 6616461)
it's not just the regulators that are different on the flex fuel motors. the injectors are different too.

I'm aware of this, but was trying not to confuse the kid. ;) They will work with regular fuel fine.

littlevictories 04-07-2014 03:15 PM

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heck im confused! i was told that if you run FF injectors, you gotta run the FF regulator. correct me if I'm wrong please. I'd have loved to run the corvette filter/reg system on my FF motor.

desertdogg 04-09-2014 10:25 PM

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Ok im getting excited its comming down to D Day but I need to confirm with all the pros out there first on all I should have ready before I begin. We will be pulling the engine this weekend and I would like to do some clean up on the firewall and front frame once its out I know I may need some tbss manifolds because mine wont clear, I have the DD mounts and my wiring harness should be in some time next week If you guys can tell me what else I should start ordering or have ready it would really help me out ! I will start posting some pics as soon as I get the party started but I cant do it with out your guys help I just basically need to know what else I need so we can keep moving. I got all next week off work so I can get alot of the work done and burn some midnight grease...thanks everyone so far you have all been so awesome ! :)

trkfrk 04-09-2014 10:41 PM

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Way cool thread.. I'm watching and learning from you guys..

desertdogg 04-09-2014 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by trkfrk (Post 6621536)
Way cool thread.. I'm watching and learning from you guys..

Thanks trkfrk ! makes at least two of us lol :metal:

ls1nova71 04-09-2014 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by littlevictories (Post 6617153)
heck im confused! i was told that if you run FF injectors, you gotta run the FF regulator. correct me if I'm wrong please. I'd have loved to run the corvette filter/reg system on my FF motor.


I copied this from an LS1tech post posted by Brenden from LT1swap.com

The fuel pressure specs are straight out of GM Service Information online service manuals.

"1999-2003 4.8, 5.3, 6.0 all had a fuel rail with 3/8" supply line and a 5/16" return line. The fuel pressure regulator is on the fuel rail, and has a vacuum line to the intake manifold. In 2004, All engines went to a single 3/8" supply line, with NO RETURN LINE (returnless) except 5.3L L59 Flex Fuel vehicles. For 2004, Flex fuel engines KEPT the return line, BUT used a fuel pressure regulator with a lower pressure ratting. 2005 5.3L L59 Flex Fuel engines switched to a single 3/8" supply with NO RETURN line in 2005. Non flex fuel engines, fuel pressure spec is 55 to 62 psi with vacuum line disconnected, fuel pump running. 5.3L Flex Fuel engine 2004 and back, 48-54 psi with vacuum line disconnected, fuel pump running. 2005+ with returnless fuel rail all shared same fuel pressure spec, 55-62 psi. There is no vacuum reference on these, so fuel pressure should remain constant under all operating conditions. The computer is programmed differently for fuel flow rate depending on type of fuel rail. This is important to know when having a PCM programmed."

desertdogg 04-09-2014 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ls1nova71 (Post 6621557)
I copied this from an LS1tech post posted by Brenden from LT1swap.com

The fuel pressure specs are straight out of GM Service Information online service manuals.

"1999-2003 4.8, 5.3, 6.0 all had a fuel rail with 3/8" supply line and a 5/16" return line. The fuel pressure regulator is on the fuel rail, and has a vacuum line to the intake manifold. In 2004, All engines went to a single 3/8" supply line, with NO RETURN LINE (returnless) except 5.3L L59 Flex Fuel vehicles. For 2004, Flex fuel engines KEPT the return line, BUT used a fuel pressure regulator with a lower pressure ratting. 2005 5.3L L59 Flex Fuel engines switched to a single 3/8" supply with NO RETURN line in 2005. Non flex fuel engines, fuel pressure spec is 55 to 62 psi with vacuum line disconnected, fuel pump running. 5.3L Flex Fuel engine 2004 and back, 48-54 psi with vacuum line disconnected, fuel pump running. 2005+ with returnless fuel rail all shared same fuel pressure spec, 55-62 psi. There is no vacuum reference on these, so fuel pressure should remain constant under all operating conditions. The computer is programmed differently for fuel flow rate depending on type of fuel rail. This is important to know when having a PCM programmed."

Thats awesome information LS1 ! I need to make sure fuelinjectionconection knows this information before he flashes my computer !

dman1982 04-09-2014 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621505)
Ok im getting excited its comming down to D Day but I need to confirm with all the pros out there first on all I should have ready before I begin. We will be pulling the engine this weekend and I would like to do some clean up on the firewall and front frame once its out I know I may need some tbss manifolds because mine wont clear, I have the DD mounts and my wiring harness should be in some time next week If you guys can tell me what else I should start ordering or have ready it would really help me out ! I will start posting some pics as soon as I get the party started but I cant do it with out your guys help I just basically need to know what else I need so we can keep moving. I got all next week off work so I can get alot of the work done and burn some midnight grease...thanks everyone so far you have all been so awesome ! :)

Did you buy a harness? Or getting the one you got cut down?...fuel system? Ecu tuning? You need all your specs and what not when you get your tune...mines about road ready...gotta figure out linkage...I know we've been following each other's builds but I think I'm winning lol

desertdogg 04-09-2014 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621589)
Did you buy a harness? Or getting the one you got cut down?...fuel system? Ecu tuning? You need all your specs and what not when you get your tune...mines about road ready...gotta figure out linkage...I know we've been following each other's builds but I think I'm winning lol

I am buying one from fuel injection connection and he will be doing my ecu.
Dennis, whats next after that engine is in home plate ? fuel system ? I know you got a kit for your lines I got to find that thread unless you can send me a link ?

desertdogg 04-09-2014 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621589)
..I know we've been following each other's builds but I think I'm winning lol

Dman ! haha ! you got me beat by a looong shot !

dman1982 04-09-2014 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621598)
I am buying one from fuel injection connection and he will be doing my ecu.
Dennis, whats next after that engine is in home plate ? fuel system ? I know you got a kit for your lines I got to find that thread unless you can send me a link ?

did you get a harness with your engine? if so i have a guy that does a good job with harnesses, as far as the fuel system, the kit was awesome, a lot of extra parts after done with it, but you still have to buy other things...i but some hard lines...just to make it easier and straight cut looking, I'm pretty sure the kit is in my thread somewhere, if not ill find it for you, what you mean by home plate? finally done?

dman1982 04-09-2014 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621600)
Dman ! haha ! you got me beat by a looong shot !

maybe just a little lol

desertdogg 04-09-2014 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621627)
did you get a harness with your engine? if so i have a guy that does a good job with harnesses, as far as the fuel system, the kit was awesome, a lot of extra parts after done with it, but you still have to buy other things...i but some hard lines...just to make it easier and straight cut looking, I'm pretty sure the kit is in my thread somewhere, if not ill find it for you, what you mean by home plate? finally done?

I do have my harness

Home plate as in sitting on its final resting spot.

I havent bought my harness yet but did email them saying Im ready to order waitng for him to call me tomorrow...was your guy expensive ? were all your connectors labeled ?

dont worry about it I will go back on your thread and find that fuel kit was going to look at braided fuel lines anyway but I think your route was more my budget.

dman1982 04-10-2014 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621658)
I do have my harness

Home plate as in sitting on its final resting spot.

I havent bought my harness yet but did email them saying Im ready to order waitng for him to call me tomorrow...was your guy expensive ? were all your connectors labeled ?

dont worry about it I will go back on your thread and find that fuel kit was going to look at braided fuel lines anyway but I think your route was more my budget.

the engine is in its final resting spot, but as far as upgrades i just want it to be reliable for the moment, maybe someday cam swap or something along that line, with the increase in power and better gearing I'm sure ill be happy with it for a while...

the guy i went with charged me 200 for the cut down, labeled all my connectors, and answered every little stupid question i had and then some (some questions not even related to my harness) the guy was awesome, but if you decide to try him out id hurry, he is about to hit with a lot of business, awesome guy, i will be using him again when i do my next swap...and as far as questions go he answers his phone and email but i usually called him, and if he don't answer he calls right back pretty soon, and for my tune i used LT1swap.com, that guy was pretty awesome too...he answered questions too and has fast shipping

as far as the braided lines that was way outta my budget until i got to this job at the parts store, i got everything i need to make them there, i may make a line fitting but not sure, but right now i have that option, havnt decided yet tho..

dman1982 04-10-2014 12:05 AM

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how much was the other harness and tune gonna cost you?

desertdogg 04-10-2014 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621700)
the engine is in its final resting spot, but as far as upgrades i just want it to be reliable for the moment, maybe someday cam swap or something along that line, with the increase in power and better gearing I'm sure ill be happy with it for a while...

the guy i went with charged me 200 for the cut down, labeled all my connectors, and answered every little stupid question i had and then some (some questions not even related to my harness) the guy was awesome, but if you decide to try him out id hurry, he is about to hit with a lot of business, awesome guy, i will be using him again when i do my next swap...and as far as questions go he answers his phone and email but i usually called him, and if he don't answer he calls right back pretty soon, and for my tune i used LT1swap.com, that guy was pretty awesome too...he answered questions too and has fast shipping

as far as the braided lines that was way outta my budget until i got to this job at the parts store, i got everything i need to make them there, i may make a line fitting but not sure, but right now i have that option, havnt decided yet tho..

No I meant, once my engine is on its final resting spot. I guess what Im trying to say is once I remove my old engine then drop my new engine, is the next step Fuel and fuel lines ?

As far as your wiring harness guy I would love to at least talk to the guy if you could PM me his number that would be awesome...thanks, I will check out LT1swap.com as well

how much more was it for the braided ? I gotta go back and reread your thread

desertdogg 04-10-2014 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621701)
how much was the other harness and tune gonna cost you?

$860.00

desertdogg 04-10-2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621701)
how much was the other harness and tune gonna cost you?

The only problem with these guys is its really hard to contact him by phone seems like emails are his best contact route...but I love his harnesses seems like he has a great product and was also recommended by BR3.

dman1982 04-10-2014 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621721)
No I meant, once my engine is on its final resting spot. I guess what Im trying to say is once I remove my old engine then drop my new engine, is the next step Fuel and fuel lines ?

As far as your wiring harness guy I would love to at least talk to the guy if you could PM me his number that would be awesome...thanks, I will check out LT1swap.com as well

how much more was it for the braided ? I gotta go back and reread your thread

ya i totally agree, i talked to him, i got his info from another member, but ill pm you his info, his email is in my thread somewhere, he commented on it...

as far as my build it was a lot of waiting on parts so mine might have been out of normal order so to say but still went in pretty good, also a lot of it was me being out of my comfort zone (fuel system being one) delaying the process, but after doing everything id say just do it!! don't be scared its not bad after you start doing it..you can see my threads and asked a lot of questions about everything...which helped a lot

as far as the braided line i think it was more than twice as much to do, 3 times if i had a guy do it...so ya i just used the nylon line and covered it with regular line for heat purposes

dman1982 04-10-2014 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621724)
$860.00

holy freakin S(*$!!!! a lot of cash!!!!!!

desertdogg 04-10-2014 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621740)
holy freakin S(*$!!!! a lot of cash!!!!!!

I know Im starting to rethink this

dman1982 04-10-2014 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621727)
The only problem with these guys is its really hard to contact him by phone seems like emails are his best contact route...but I love his harnesses seems like he has a great product and was also recommended by BR3.

for 860 bucks i better have a lifeline where i can reach him with thoughts!!!! and get replies!!! just the help that warren (aka harness guy) lol was worth it

desertdogg 04-10-2014 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621739)
ya i totally agree, i talked to him, i got his info from another member, but ill pm you his info, his email is in my thread somewhere, he commented on it...

as far as my build it was a lot of waiting on parts so mine might have been out of normal order so to say but still went in pretty good, also a lot of it was me being out of my comfort zone (fuel system being one) delaying the process, but after doing everything id say just do it!! don't be scared its not bad after you start doing it..you can see my threads and asked a lot of questions about everything...which helped a lot

as far as the braided line i think it was more than twice as much to do, 3 times if i had a guy do it...so ya i just used the nylon line and covered it with regular line for heat purposes

Thanks ! maybe I can call and talk to him tomorrow... maybe save me some cash, sounds like he did a good job on yours and your saying good things about him, and those are big positives !

dman1982 04-10-2014 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621753)
Thanks ! maybe I can call and talk to him tomorrow... maybe save me some cash, sounds like he did a good job on yours and your saying good things about him, and those are big positives !

i just pm'd you, cash was a big deal for me, i was put over budget a bit with gears and misc stuff... but stuff like this helps out a ton!!!!!

dman1982 04-10-2014 12:57 AM

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keep in mine if he don't call you back right that second that he is a few hours behind you, and he will call back...we are way over here on the east coast lol

desertdogg 04-10-2014 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621759)
i just pm'd you, cash was a big deal for me, i was put over budget a bit with gears and misc stuff... but stuff like this helps out a ton!!!!!

PM,d you back thanks and yes this starts getting very expensive...I feel your pain lol !

desertdogg 04-10-2014 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dman1982 (Post 6621762)
keep in mine if he don't call you back right that second that he is a few hours behind you, and he will call back...we are way over here on the east coast lol

sending him am email too

BR3W CITY 04-10-2014 02:04 AM

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The harness portion is about $450-600 of that, depending on how its setup. For that money, the guys at FuelInjectionConnection make a damn nice harness, thats very easy to install.

I don't know about their tuning, but I assume he's supplying you an ECU for the price? When you break it down,

860
-125(cost of buying an ecm)
=735
-125 (tune)
=610
-550(harness)
= ~60 shipping/tax/misc

If you figure thats all estimates, but if it works out.


If any of yall are in the upper midwest, I can get ur stuff tuned locally for cheaper (but then I own your soul, so its a give/take)

BR3W CITY 04-10-2014 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621727)
The only problem with these guys is its really hard to contact him by phone seems like emails are his best contact route...but I love his harnesses seems like he has a great product and was also recommended by BR3.

I think he uses email to screen out the free-information diggers lol. When I had my order in, he included a phone number on the reciept to the shop, and I was able to get him on the phone. Its just a couple of guys in a warehouse full of wire and injectors.

Chevyllac 04-10-2014 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by desertdogg (Post 6621753)
Thanks ! maybe I can call and talk to him tomorrow... maybe save me some cash, sounds like he did a good job on yours and your saying good things about him, and those are big positives !

I dont mean to crash in on your post but Im in the beginning stages of what you guys are doing. Im getting ready to pull my 350 and replace it with a setup from an 04 tahoe. Can I please get that info on the guy wo does the harness re-wireing? Thanks

Low Elco 04-10-2014 10:29 AM

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Dman got it from PSI.com. Nice work, btw! One of the frontrunners in my project.

dman1982 04-10-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Low Elco (Post 6622156)
Dman got it from PSI.com. Nice work, btw! One of the frontrunners in my project.

I got my tac harness from them (and just incase I got the wrong one from them again I got one from a guy on here) my engine harness got done from a guy here locally


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