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jaros44sr 12-20-2014 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by richard2717 (Post 6965179)
Jim,
Couldn't you slide the coil pack towards the radiator on the valve cover rail to clear the firewall or would that put the coil packs to close together?
Seeing what you are going thru is why when it comes time for my motor I will just stick with rebuilding the 307 lol.

Richard

Yes i could, but, there is my v/c breather that goes forward of the coil, so that eliminates that. Could put the breather in the forward position, but i didn t leave myself enough room for lenght of adjustment on my spark plug wires. Could buy one spark plug wire.....

I hate to whack into the body work at firewall, but i don t think i m left any recourse

I m still thinking....but, i m leaning towards a speed bump
BTW, how are you feeling?

richard2717 12-20-2014 08:32 PM

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Its kinda hard to tell from the pics and all but maybe leave it in the same location but offset towards the intake? Don't mind me though just bored and thinking out loud even if not clearly :lol:

I am doing somewhat better. thanks for asking. I have my business moved back home now so that takes up a lot of the shop space but I am still collecting parts.

Richard

jaros44sr 12-20-2014 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by richard2717 (Post 6965248)
Its kinda hard to tell from the pics and all but maybe leave it in the same location but offset towards the intake? Don't mind me though just bored and thinking out loud even if not clearly :lol:

I am doing somewhat better. thanks for asking. I have my business moved back home now so that takes up a lot of the shop space but I am still collecting parts.

Richard

Actually Richard, that may work. You should try not to think clearly more often:lol: I ll have to look into it more closely tomorrow when i have more time, but sure beats ripping the heater box, all my electronics, exhaust manifold, inner fender out and buggering up the firewall. And having a future owner complain about the PO

Glad things are looking up
Today was the 1st day of retirement, gotta luv an afternoon nap:metal:

JJH Jimmy 12-21-2014 01:24 AM

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Looking good Jim. Congratulations on your retirement!

jaros44sr 12-21-2014 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JJH Jimmy (Post 6965592)
Looking good Jim. Congratulations on your retirement!

Thanks JJ, your paint came out awesome, i think greys and silvers work the best on our trucks. Not to bad, only a month in paint prison

Back in the 70 s my Dad had a gun metal Chevy, really liked it then, still do

When you re retired, every day is a Saturday.

jaros44sr 12-22-2014 12:47 PM

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With a combination of Richards idea of moving towards intake 1" and rotating to 80 degrees rear coil pack is mounted

Nice to have motorheads looking over your shoulder

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Used a holesaw on the drill press to bore a hole to mount K&N breather....careful with holesaws, they tend to grow from the designated size. Make a test touch on the aluminum and measure, this will be your final bore size

richard2717 12-22-2014 01:17 PM

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Looks like it worked out pretty good.

Oh and congrats again on the retirement

skorpioskorpio 12-22-2014 03:44 PM

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Are you running a cam trigger too, or is this a wasted spark setup?

jaros44sr 12-22-2014 05:54 PM

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[quote=richard2717;6967328]Looks like it worked out pretty good.
Yeah Richard, sometimes you get to eat the bear:lol:


Oh and congrats again on the retirement[/QUOTE
Thanks, first day of not reporting to work, spent the day buying presents for the wifey, grandson....plus one from santa, BRIDGEPORT

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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 6967522)
Are you running a cam trigger too, or is this a wasted spark setup?

Spent some time reading up on wasted spark, but i couldn t fully grasp the concept. I think it had advantages....

I m using a FAST dual sync distr., but, i m only using the distr. to get a cam referance to my XIM, which had to be repinned for the crank trigger

jaros44sr 12-22-2014 05:56 PM

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[quote=richard2717;6967328]Looks like it worked out pretty good.
Yeah Richard, sometimes you get to eat the bear:lol:


Oh and congrats again on the retirement[/QUOTE
Thanks, first day of not reporting to work, spent the day buying presents for the wifey, grandson....plus one from santa, BRIDGEPORT

Quote:

Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 6967522)
Are you running a cam trigger too, or is this a wasted spark setup?

Spent some time reading up on wasted spark, but i couldn t fully grasp the concept. I think it had advantages....

I m using a FAST dual sync distr., but, i m only using the distr. to get a cam referance to my XIM, which had to be repinned for the crank trigger

You guys were soooooo close to getting the prize for 200,000 views:lol:

skorpioskorpio 12-24-2014 02:44 PM

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I'm not sure there is actually any performance advantage of wasted spark, it really has to do with having half as many trigger events to keep track of. You basically fire the plug based on the crank trigger alone. My 6 will have that initially when I'm running carbs, mostly because it's just simpler to pull off with an engine that never had a distributor and my options are limited for a simple ignition only crank trigger based ignition that will work with a 6. I'll be using one that is typically used with a Porsche flat 6. The "wasted spark" happens during the exhaust stroke when there is no fuel to burn and the exhaust valve is open so there isn't any real way to gain anything from it.

jaros44sr 01-08-2015 01:32 PM

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I ve been sourcing out my spicer front axle locking hubs, finally located everything to switch over my Warn locking hubs to Spicer (everything is differant)

Decided to look up Spicerparts.com.....came up with a service manual w/ exploded view.

Home page
Drop down to expert
Light axle
Literature & catalogs
5306-1

The only part i don t have are the 6 bolts and washers. I know they are 10-24, but i don t know the length. Could someone pull one out of their hub, and measure the length? Make sure you retorque to 35-40 in/ pounds.....INCH/POUNDS off the manual

I should be able to match them up, once i know for sure wnat the length is....thanks

Teaser

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richard2717 01-08-2015 02:02 PM

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1 Attachment(s)
Jim
From bottom of head to end of bolt is 1-3/16" but the threaded area is only about 3/8" of the end
here is a a picture of it

jaros44sr 01-08-2015 02:56 PM

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Perfect Richard, thank you for taking the time. Seems Warn used a 32tpi, and Spicer used a 24tpi....oh well

jaros44sr 01-09-2015 09:45 AM

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Does any one have an idea what would be used to remove this threaded collar with all the little holes in a radial pattern? I consider myself well stocked with tools, but this one is not in my box.

I don t have to remove it now, but if i have to replace a wheel bearing, i would like to have the tool for the job

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skorpioskorpio 01-09-2015 10:12 AM

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Is it this?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/271712058665?nav=SEARCH

jaros44sr 01-09-2015 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 6992280)

Dude you re good, sure looks like it

Thank you...how s the truck coming....your build is light years above my head:lol:

Ok blew up the image and the tool has square dogs, but my retainer has round

skorpioskorpio 01-09-2015 10:59 AM

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Often socket type pin spanners have squarish pegs even though the holes are round, I know that was the case with the "official" hub retention tool from Honda for my bikes, although I ended up making one on a CNC mill.

My project is stalled at the moment, probably pick up in a month or so. I've been sorting out what I need to do to get the intake manifold printed and have pretty much decided to go for carbs initially just to simplify things and get it going faster. My manifold design will do throttle bodies or Webers interchangeably.

jaros44sr 01-10-2015 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 6992339)
Often socket type pin spanners have squarish pegs even though the holes are round, I know that was the case with the "official" hub retention tool from Honda for my bikes, although I ended up making one on a CNC mill.

My project is stalled at the moment, probably pick up in a month or so. I've been sorting out what I need to do to get the intake manifold printed and have pretty much decided to go for carbs initially just to simplify things and get it going faster. My manifold design will do throttle bodies or Webers interchangeably.

I agree on the "official" spanner tool,but i m wondering if the threaded collar is not a spicer part, and more a warn part. Since you listed the proper tool to use, just got me wondering....

Give it time, your build will come together, being an old english car guy i always liked the Webers. If you need two bodies for mockup, i have two here. Always wanted to build a SBC w/webers, just for the looks. Might look into changing them over to throttle bodies, i know they do it with hilborn injection

skorpioskorpio 01-10-2015 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 6993833)
I agree on the "official" spanner tool,but i m wondering if the threaded collar is not a spicer part, and more a warn part. Since you listed the proper tool to use, just got me wondering....

Give it time, your build will come together, being an old english car guy i always liked the Webers. If you need two bodies for mockup, i have two here. Always wanted to build a SBC w/webers, just for the looks. Might look into changing them over to throttle bodies, i know they do it with hilborn injection

Understood, and I'm not saying that *is* the proper tool, but it's something very much like that, I'm sure. I made my Honda hub tool and a year later or so saw an official one on ebay. The official tool for your hubs is likely made by one of the automotive tooling specialty companies, and probably costs an obscene amount of money if it's even still available. I have one of the sockets for taking apart a master cylinder booster which I got used on a mislabeled auction for like $50, new that stupid socket goes for like $750.

Old English car guy eh? Well than you'll appreciate this, you know the goal is to get that Trailblazer engine to speak E-type. That engine is pretty much the same bore and stroke (give or take a little) as a 4.2 Jag engine, and I'm hoping to get it to sound like an Eagle E-type by the time I'm done. It's also why I'm going for a big 3" single exhaust with as few bends as possible and a before the wheel exit, to kind of exaggerate the doh-pop-pop-pop of a well tuned Jag.

I have the DCOE pattern throttle bodies already so already have what I need to mock things up. My biggest problem was getting the spacing right to clear the alternator (which bolts directly to the block on this engine) and maintain the maximum angle for the Weber floats while still providing at least something close to equal length runners. I ended up squeezing the spacing a bit on the design which actually makes the first and last runners a little longer, but I think it'll be ok. It makes all 6 stacks equally spaced which I think will look pretty cool. The added benefit to that is I was really afraid I was going to need to notch the firewall to clear the carbs, and this solves that problem as well. I'm planning at this point to just use known Jaguar jetting and chokes for a Jag engine putting out about the same HP as a base line. The only issue with this is that the Jag engine seems to cap out at about 300HP when they are built up and that is where the Trailblazer engine starts out. So we'll see.

jaros44sr 01-10-2015 03:06 PM

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You say 300+ hp, what will the torque numbers like.....your jimmy isn t quite as slick as a series 1

Got some time to finish up the coil packs, wired. Spacers, at first, didn t work out, but bought thicker wall spacers and can crank down on the mounting stud. Still have to finish up the vertical mounts

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jaros44sr 01-10-2015 03:09 PM

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Now, finally on to the distri.

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skorpioskorpio 01-11-2015 08:20 AM

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HP/Torque on a bone stock Trailblazer engine are 291hp@6000 and 277ft/lbs@4800.

jaros44sr 01-12-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 6998578)
HP/Torque on a bone stock Trailblazer engine are 291hp@6000 and 277ft/lbs@4800.

Sounds respectable...


After a three day soak in white apple cider vinegar, all the rust came off. Finally get to install my 'NOS' Locking knobs

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jaros44sr 01-12-2015 01:20 PM

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Went to reassemble my hubs and noticed a bind on the locking knob, seems that my old knobs had a bit of a wear pattern. Rather than notch my knobs, i decided to cut the collar that was causing the bind in the first place

It s only a small amount, but enough to not allow me to torque the perimeter bolts down

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skorpioskorpio 01-12-2015 05:57 PM

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Um, why apple cider vinegar vs just plane ol' white vinegar? Does it make them tastier? :lol:

jaros44sr 01-12-2015 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 7000671)
Um, why apple cider vinegar vs just plane ol' white vinegar? Does it make them tastier? :lol:

Just doubles as something i can use in the kitchen....

skorpioskorpio 01-12-2015 07:04 PM

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When I did my bike tank I started with 3 cans of Ajax kitchen cleanser and water (shake! shake! shake!) followed by 2 days and 2 gallons of white vinegar followed by a sock full of rice for a week. came out perfect.

mtully79 01-12-2015 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 7000765)
When I did my bike tank I started with 3 cans of Ajax kitchen cleanser and water (shake! shake! shake!) followed by 2 days and 2 gallons of white vinegar followed by a sock full of rice for a week. came out perfect.

I'll bite...how did you use the rice? I have a few parts to clean and I'm interested in the application.

Thanks

mtully79 01-12-2015 07:11 PM

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Was it to soak up any remaining moisture?

jaros44sr 01-12-2015 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mtully79 (Post 7000779)
Was it to soak up any remaining moisture?

Actually, i think it was for fuel....it is a rice burner:lol:

Captainfab 01-13-2015 02:07 AM

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Sounds to me like it was already in the kitchen and someone snuck it out to the garage. :lol:


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Originally Posted by jaros44sr (Post 7000736)
Just doubles as something i can use in the kitchen....


skorpioskorpio 01-13-2015 03:08 AM

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Yes the rice is to dry out the moisture, so the tank didn't flash rust from the vinegar and the sock was so you could get the rice out again.

mtully79 01-13-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 7001357)
Yes the rice is to dry out the moisture, so the tank didn't flash rust from the vinegar and the sock was so you could get the rice out again.

This is why I love this site. I'll use this for future parts/projects.

Rice burner...nice one Jim!

skorpioskorpio 01-13-2015 01:30 PM

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...and they may be Japanese bikes but you can't run them on straight rice, the would be ridiculous, you have to add raw fish.

jaros44sr 01-15-2015 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 7001729)
...and they may be Japanese bikes but you can't run them on straight rice, the would be ridiculous, you have to add raw fish.

You crack me up....

ALL i wanted to do was install my NOS yellow knobs....but, my PO had his hands in there and forgot to install all the parts
How that wheel stayed on is a mystery to me! Since the rotation on the drivers side wants to back off the nut

Tools----Lisle #27400 or 27250
Parts----Spicer locking kit

He didn t install one of the locking nuts, and this caused the ring tang to mess up the threads, a little work with my thread file ( 16tpi) and i was able to install locking nut, btw, the locking ring is designed to be flipped over, so you can install it w/o changing you torque setting on the first locking nut

Thanks to iron canine and dark olive for the advice

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jaros44sr 01-15-2015 10:44 AM

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Spicer locking kit, one locking nut is installed, but s/b four total

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IronCanine 01-15-2015 12:12 PM

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100 PAGES!!!!!:flag::five::ennyd:

skorpioskorpio 01-15-2015 03:10 PM

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Oh wait, so after all that the part with the holes turned out to be a washer and not a nut? Interesting.

jaros44sr 01-15-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by IronCanine (Post 7004748)
100 PAGES!!!!!:flag::five::ennyd:

Sure hope yours doesn t take this long:lol:;)


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Originally Posted by skorpioskorpio (Post 7004961)
Oh wait, so after all that the part with the holes turned out to be a washer and not a nut? Interesting.

Yes, it was seized to the axle stub, by not being held in place with the second locking nut
and looked like it was threaded on.

That s why it takes me a hundred pages


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