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70c10-08 03-08-2021 06:33 PM

Re: The build date project
 
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I realized I gave my VIN and, date but, no door jamb decal. Here's what's left of my door jamb decal confirming Zooey was a Janesville truck born in December of 69.

Keith Seymore 03-09-2021 10:43 AM

Re: The build date project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore (Post 8890957)
Yes - those would be used in addition (as a supplement) to the more familiar build sheet.

The RPO codes alone do not have enough detail to build the truck.

K

I'd like to elaborate on this a little more, if I may.

Let's use "engines" as an example (since I already have this written up):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore (Post 5809046)

Further detail: let's say you order a 350 cu in engine. There is one base part for a 350, but it proliferates on Auto vs manual trans, a/c vs no a/c and California emissions vs Federal.

So there would be eight part numbers within that one engine family (there would probably be this many variations for v6, for 305 cu in, for 454 cu in and diesel as well):

12345678 350 cu in manual no a/c Fed
12345679 350 cu in manual w a/c Fed
12345680 350 cu in auto no a/c Fed
12345681 350 cu in auto a/c Fed
12345682 350 cu in manual no a/c Calif
12345683 350 cu in manual a/c Calif
12345684 350 cu in auto no a/c Calif
12345685 350 cu in auto a/c Calif

An assembly plant broadcast code would be assigned to each part number:

TAA 12345678 350 cu in manual no a/c Fed
TAB 12345679 350 cu in manual w a/c Fed
TAC 12345680 350 cu in auto no a/c Fed
TAD 12345681 350 cu in auto a/c Fed
TAE 12345682 350 cu in manual no a/c Calif
TAF 12345683 350 cu in manual a/c Calif
TAG 12345684 350 cu in auto no a/c Calif
TAH 12345685 350 cu in auto a/c Calif

So the operator goes over to a bay that is full of racks and racks of engines (probably more than you've ever seen in one place in your entire life). You can tell him which one to choose, via the build manifest, and he can remember that he needs an "AF", instead of trying to remember 123455683, or manual/AC/California emissions, since he will do this nearly 500 times in one day. (Edit 3/9/20201 - and won't remember any of it by the end of the day).

K


Keith Seymore 03-09-2021 10:48 AM

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The operator looks at the build sheet in the appropriate box and sees he needs a "TAF".

He then walks over to this display of various racks, sorted by engine type, chooses a "TAF", and hangs it on the line.

http://www.camaros.org/images/assemb...ly-engines.jpg

Another reason for the broadcast code (also known as a "pick code") is that the part numbers themselves are so nuanced.

Can you imagine if he really wanted a part number 12345678 but incorrectly picked a 12345478?

It could be catastrophic.

K

Keith Seymore 03-09-2021 11:01 AM

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This scenario plays out in a dozen different areas of the assembly plant, any place where there is proliferation within the RPO:

Transmissions (manual vs auto, low gear ratio, HD vs LD, etc)
Seats (based on color, trim level, vinyl, leather, extra padding, etc)
Axles (2wd vs 4wd, locking vs non, ratio, HD brakes, etc)
Tire/wheel (rim type, tire type - front, rear, spare or no spare)
Body shop (body style, high tunnel, low tunnel, bed length)
Paint (color, ZY1 single color, ZY3/4/5/6 two tones)
Radiators (size, auto vs manual, HD vs LD)

etc.

K

BigBird05 03-09-2021 11:50 AM

Re: The build date project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore (Post 8890483)
All of the plants used build sheets. The RPO information alone was not enough information for the operator to select the correct part, especially when there was a proliferation of part numbers within the RPO.

Any area where components were built up remotely and then conveyed to the main line in sequence would require a build sheet: front and rear axle trim, engines, transmissions, seats, front end sheetmetal, tire/wheel assemblies, etc. These are all areas with a lot of proliferation, and therefore not easy to present the material lineside, or - in the case of the seat cushions - a fire hazard (the "cushion room" was always way out in the boonies as a result). The build sheet defined the component that was to be installed, by part number or broadcast code, especially for option driven content where there was some choice as to what part was to be installed, or a remote area where there were no visual clues as to what part should be installed. So - theoretically - you would be able to find a build sheet on the motor somewhere, or above the fuel tank, or anywhere a build sheet was used.

There was no thought, guess work, interpretation or latitude on the part of the assembler: they referred to the sheet, selected the component by part number or broadcast code, and put it on.

K

You are the best. From working at GM, in both the factory and in engineering, your description and or explanations are very good. You can explain better than I to the people on the forums. I wish you would write more often. You could do a whole series to educate the members on how the factory operates at a build rate of 60 vehicles per hour. Or in my case 235 engines an hour.

402Bowtie 03-09-2021 01:19 PM

Re: The build date project
 
5 Attachment(s)
72 chevy
2/72
2Z144229

And 71 Chevy
2/10/71
1Z628194

And 70 chevy
1/70
0B132792

And '69 Chevy
12/07/68
9Z834654

IronCanine 03-13-2021 02:35 PM

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1970 Chevrolet
Fremont
0Z170363=6/70

402Bowtie 03-13-2021 05:22 PM

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71 chevy
1S667955
6/71

And 72 chevy
2Z131939
1/72

70 chevy Blazer, reproduction sticker. If correct, it suggests St Louis slowed down production in the spring of '70.
S159628
3/70

71 GMC
S128680
4/71

70 chevy found here
0Z138502
1/20/70

57taskforce 03-13-2021 08:00 PM

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Awesome work guys. I’ll get the updates added soon.

402Bowtie 03-18-2021 12:14 PM

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Two 69 chevy's from the same day
9Z833750
12/05/68

9Z833902 -- This one on the list already, but not sure we had a picture previously?
12/05/68

72 chevy
2F349324
2/72

72 chevy (from post #1034 here)
2Z108075
9/22/71

69 chevy
9Z895406
7/18/69

402Bowtie 03-18-2021 11:48 PM

Re: The build date project
 
5 Attachment(s)
71 chevy
1S655506
4/71

72 GMC
2A507337
4/72

72 GMC
2S504575
10/71

72 chevy
2B163197
5/22/72

Stephen717 03-19-2021 07:22 PM

Re: The build date project
 
Ok so I don't have a build sheet in my truck (don't know if the bench seat is original to the truck or not) and I don't' have the little blue sticker but I am hoping that if enough numbers come in I'll be able to get a close guesstimate on when my truck rolled off the assembly line. the partial vin would be 9T800240, all I know is that it is a 1969 c10 that was built in Tarrytown NY and I believe it spent most of it's life in Pennsylvania before I got a hold of it.

402Bowtie 03-19-2021 07:27 PM

Re: The build date project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen717 (Post 8896751)
Ok so I don't have a build sheet in my truck (don't know if the bench seat is original to the truck or not) and I don't' have the little blue sticker but I am hoping that if enough numbers come in I'll be able to get a close guesstimate on when my truck rolled off the assembly line. the partial vin would be 9T800240, all I know is that it is a 1969 c10 that was built in Tarrytown NY and I believe it spent most of it's life in Pennsylvania before I got a hold of it.

A Tarrytown truck seems to be a rare bird. We only have two recorded (for all years and makes) on the project as of today. I hope we can get some examples to help you.

57taskforce 03-19-2021 07:34 PM

Re: The build date project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen717 (Post 8896751)
Ok so I don't have a build sheet in my truck (don't know if the bench seat is original to the truck or not) and I don't' have the little blue sticker but I am hoping that if enough numbers come in I'll be able to get a close guesstimate on when my truck rolled off the assembly line. the partial vin would be 9T800240, all I know is that it is a 1969 c10 that was built in Tarrytown NY and I believe it spent most of it's life in Pennsylvania before I got a hold of it.

I’ll add it in, give it some time and hopefully we can help out. That’s the whole goal of this project, to help guys in your situation.
John, I’ll get the additions added this weekend. Thanks again!

Stephen717 03-20-2021 12:15 AM

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thank you guys, I know the truck was a base model truck. the only things I could decipher on the spid were full foam bench seat, green vinyl, spare tire, add a leaf springs, and I think a passenger mirror, the truck also doesn't have a delete plate so I'm guessing it had an am radio from the factory, other than that it was a pretty stock medium olive long fleet with a white top, 307, saginaw 3 speed, and open rear end. I don't know much about the previous life of the truck but I figure if I can find more out about it then maybe I can track down more info on what she did all the years before I bought her and started my on going rustoration project

57taskforce 03-21-2021 11:42 PM

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My list is Up to date. Thanks guys!

402Bowtie 03-22-2021 05:34 PM

Re: The build date project
 
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72 chevy - reproduction sticker, but appears to be correct date.
2F349494
2/72

70 chevy
0J131476
1/16/70

57taskforce 03-22-2021 07:01 PM

Re: The build date project
 
John, sorry I meant to answer your question about the second entry in post 185. We got that entry in one of the PMs it looks like to me. There was basically a list that a member took from the spid picture thread, door sticker thread and other similar threads. I bet I probably have a picture of it in my PM’s and forgot to attach it. If you guys see things like this please feel free to point it out and I’ll get an explanation. Also I believe I fixed the issue you messaged me over.

FirstOwner69 03-22-2021 11:52 PM

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Here's a '69 Jocko posted on the Craigslist Finds thread.
https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...9&goto=newpost
The date on the build sheet appears to be 7-18-69, but could be 7-15-69. VIN is CE249Z895406

FirstOwner69 03-23-2021 12:00 AM

Re: The build date project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 402Bowtie (Post 8898109)
Already on the list. :) post 185

Just saw that and was trying to delete my post.

402Bowtie 03-27-2021 01:06 AM

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72 chevy...Currently the last Fremont truck on our list.
2Z179866
6/72

72 chevy
2Z177161
Pretty certain it reads "6/72"

72 chevy
2A107594
9/71

71 GMC
F117182
pre-4/7/71
Not sure if you want to include this one, but thought this added value since we don't have any other '71 Flint GMCs.

71 GMC
Z113756
xx-30-70 ...The month should become clear when we get a few more 71 Fremont GMCs.

On a side note, all 71 Fremont GMCs on the list should start with a "Z," not a "1." Also, is there a typo on Z115305's date? Guessing that should be 10/21/70.

FirstOwner69 03-28-2021 12:30 AM

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This build sheet for a 1970 was just posted here: https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=820056
Build sheet date: 06-02-70
VIN: CE240B161933

402Bowtie 03-29-2021 08:38 PM

Re: The build date project
 
5 Attachment(s)
67 chevy
7Z124195
12/14/66

70 chevy Blazer
0S175768
06/70

70 chevy
0S103526
pre-10/3/69 Again, thought this added a little value, but feel free to discard.

71 chevy
1B638453
4/71

Canuckvetter 03-29-2021 11:14 PM

Re: The build date project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 402Bowtie (Post 8901189)
67 chevy
7Z124195
12/14/67

Wouldn’t 12/14/67 be a 68? Or was it to be 12/14/66?

402Bowtie 03-29-2021 11:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Canuckvetter (Post 8901270)
Wouldn’t 12/14/67 be a 68? Or was it to be 12/14/66?

Oops. That should be December 1966. The 7Z refers to 67 model year. I'll update it. Thanks for catching that.

70 GMC
ZZ65282
5/70

72 chevy
2F368734
5/72


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