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maynardtruckin 10-15-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jbclassix (Post 6317426)
So I’m going to talk religion here for a moment, automatic transmissions. I am building a 700R4 for the Burb for several reasons; choice (other than preference over a 3 speed auto) is not one of them. I really have very little invested in parts between the transmission and the transfer case so far, and I would like to keep it that way. In all honesty, the Burb would be rolling now if a guard rail hadn’t claimed the 350/4L80E/NP241. But cause, effect, and just wanting to drive it again have driven me to this road I leisurely embark.

Having barely any experience rebuilding anything lighter duty than a 4L80E, I set out in the pursuit of knowledge, which led me to purchase this book.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-C...224953_482.jpg

If you have never torn into an automatic transmission, and intend to rebuild your own 700R4, or know what you want a transmission shop to build for you, I recommend reading this book at least. If you have ever rebuilt an automatic transmission, ever, I wouldn’t waste your time. I was disappointed to say the least. I originally bought this book knowing that the 700R4 had several weak points for the particular year I am building (1985 built) so I was in search of what I could do to beef up the internals without going overboard. Honestly, I didn’t find what I was looking for in this book. When I was 16 I had another book that was step by step instructions for teardown, cleaning, inspection, and rebuild of GM’s TH350, TH400, (their variants), 700R4, and 200-4R. I wish I still had that book. I will be buying the ATSG manual for assembly.

I got more information from watching this video about what I should do to the internals from watching this video on You-can-build-your-own-nucleat-submarine-tube.com.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idB8VA1bVLk

But with every auto builder, there is a difference of opinion on certain internal part choices (religion). There are several components that the majority agrees on, so I will take them as sound advice. But things like the 5 pinion planetary, I’ll stick with my 4. In any case, when I am done with this transmission, I will have a stout unit that should last behind a bone stock TBI 350 and turning 4.10 gears with nothing taller than a 33” tire. Expect plenty of tech, probably the same way I did for the NP205.

That is a great book. As someone who has rebuilt many 700r4/4l60/4l60e's before I picked up that book I found that book Informative when I picked it up for some light reading. It is nice to have it handy for customer questions.

vectorit 10-15-2013 11:29 PM

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Full on respect to you on your endeavor to build an AT transmission like this.

Me... I look at any transmission, manual or AT and just sigh with a glassy eyed stare.

y5mgisi 10-16-2013 08:45 PM

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Its funny after you rebuild a auto trans and are successful and look back at how easy it was. At least for the 700r4, th350, and th400. Crazy easy.

Longhorn 70 10-22-2013 07:05 PM

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REALLY ??? THEY ARE Easy? Which is more difficult, a small block Chevy or a 700R4?

I hope I'm not hijacking.

I like the 700R4 that has been in my C20 since 97. It withstood my Big Block Olds that was mildly built then mated to a mild SBC and is still in good shape. It has taken some abuse. Like roasting 12x33x15s.

I can't wait to see that Burb in its road ready configuration. The sink is cool but still want to see the truck on the street.

jbclassix 10-30-2013 12:31 AM

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Yep... It's like that.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F...2995161433.jpg

Longhorn 70 10-30-2013 10:38 AM

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Heh heh heh.... I wish I could have done that with my youngest. Enjoy whilst you can.

justcuz 10-30-2013 01:19 PM

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What a cutie. Make sure not to get grease and gunk all over the carrier or God forbid on her delicate skin!
I used to hang mine on a bouncy chair in the garage. A buddy hung his baby on the back of the open tilt up garage door once and a spring broke! Scared the hell out of everybody!

RANDY COX 10-30-2013 01:28 PM

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Just read through your build and it's awesome what your doing to make that burb a 4 dr.I know I miss my ole Burb 70 4x4 250 six 3 spd. Congrats on your little ones, I'm sure your loving every min cause they grow very fast as my twins just turned 17. Anymore updates.

jbclassix 10-31-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn 70 (Post 6339708)
Heh heh heh.... I wish I could have done that with my youngest. Enjoy whilst you can.

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Originally Posted by justcuz (Post 6339932)
What a cutie. Make sure not to get grease and gunk all over the carrier or God forbid on her delicate skin!
I used to hang mine on a bouncy chair in the garage. A buddy hung his baby on the back of the open tilt up garage door once and a spring broke! Scared the hell out of everybody!

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Originally Posted by RANDY COX (Post 6339955)
Just read through your build and it's awesome what your doing to make that burb a 4 dr.I know I miss my ole Burb 70 4x4 250 six 3 spd. Congrats on your little ones, I'm sure your loving every min cause they grow very fast as my twins just turned 17. Anymore updates.

Thanks, guys! No real updates. I am going through the Dana 60 right now when I get a few free minutes. Yesterday I chased the threads in the knuckles. I pulled the 4.10's out of an old rear that I had laying around. While I have it out I am going through everything. The King pins were just done by the PO, But I wanted to do the seals and change all the grease. While I was in there, I found one lower race that was iffy, so I pulled it tonight to replace it. I ordered the seals and race, but the pony express hasn't delivered them yet. I used the trusty 7018 bearing remover. Worked like a champ!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...195344_401.jpg

Still saving money to do the transmission rebuild. The suburban has become my time filler when I can't work on my brothers truck. I have a lot of cleaning, inspection, and assembly to do, so plenty to keep me busy.

justcuz 10-31-2013 01:15 AM

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Jeremy,

I see your using the Tahoe/Blazer for a storage shelf. You still driving it? I have to put a rear end in my daughters 92. It will be receiving the one that came out of my 93 Suburban reusing her axles and bearings with some new seals. She blew up the gov-lock and destroyed the cover, carrier, and most of the gears. I am modifying the 93 Suburban 10 bolt to make it an LSD. I remove the flyweight and cam add some spacers and shims to tighten up the LSD and wa la, a reliable rear axle. 3 out of our 4 family vehicles have had 10 bolts with gov-locks explode. The advantage of using a Suburban rear axle is the rear brakes are 11 inches instead of 10. I have to slightly modify the shock mounts to make it fit properly.

jbclassix 10-31-2013 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by justcuz (Post 6341078)
Jeremy,

I see your using the Tahoe/Blazer for a storage shelf. You still driving it? I have to put a rear end in my daughters 92. It will be receiving the one that came out of my 93 Suburban reusing her axles and bearings with some new seals. She blew up the gov-lock and destroyed the cover, carrier, and most of the gears. I am modifying the 93 Suburban 10 bolt to make it an LSD. I remove the flyweight and cam add some spacers and shims to tighten up the LSD and wa la, a reliable rear axle. 3 out of our 4 family vehicles have had 10 bolts with gov-locks explode. The advantage of using a Suburban rear axle is the rear brakes are 11 inches instead of 10. I have to slightly modify the shock mounts to make it fit properly.

It's been MONTHS since I drove the Yukon! It kills me to see it sit in the Garage, but wonderful California says I cant drive it until it doesn't suffocate harmless endangered dinosaurs and hippie joshua tree huggers. My 10 bolt has been holding up great since I did the R&P a few years ago. I used GM GL-5 and Limited slip additive and I have to say, I have no complaints about the operation of the diff! I can tell stories of how amazing that thing has worked keeping up with jeeps off road and on snow and ice! I love that truck! I'll probably work on getting it to pass smog now that it is cooling down.

justcuz 10-31-2013 03:43 PM

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My girls do not understand the operation of a Gov-Lock and do not drive accordingly. My wife blew the 2000 Suburban 10 bolt in Monterey when our daughter lived up there going to college. Our daughter lived on a hill and during the rain she pulled away from the curb and it started to spin a tire. She gassed it and bang! Same with the Blazer, our daughter was on Beach Blvd in an early morning rain, she tried to pass a bus at an intersection, hit the gas going across the paint stripe and bang! Our son Joe just flat wore his 10 bolt out in his Tahoe. I suspect it had been used for towing a lot and the housing was slightly bent (oil weeping from the right axle tube at the center section). It finally gave up the ghost at about 270,000 miles!

justcuz 10-31-2013 04:27 PM

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Are you going to reuse the Eaton rear axle? If so are going to convert to rear disc brakes? I hear drums and shoes are hard to find for these. I would love to build a front axle out of one of these (like Napco did) 14 bolt side gears allow you to increase the spline count on the axles. Some 44 or 60 open knuckles welded on the ends of an Eaton would make a cool front axle housing.

Bigdav160 10-31-2013 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vectorit (Post 6317449)
Full on respect to you on your endeavor to build an AT transmission like this.

Me... I look at any transmission, manual or AT and just sigh with a glassy eyed stare.

Anyone wishing to rebuild your own automatic, I highly recommend this series of videos. He doesn't spend much time on upgrades but does a nice job of disassembly, inspection, bench testing and reassembly.

They also have transfer case rebuild videos.

jbclassix 10-31-2013 06:21 PM

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I won't get rid of my Eaton Rear. That is down a ways on the list of things to do, but I have some 13" drums from a 14 bolt as well as a detroit for it.

justcuz 10-31-2013 07:04 PM

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Is the spacing all the same to run 14 bolt brakes on these? It seems the Eaton brakes were narrower. Or does the 14 bolt drum go over the outside of the hub instead of inside like the 14 bolt? The 14 bolt Detroit fits the Eaton carrier? Can you then use 14 bolt axles in the Eaton?

jbclassix 10-31-2013 07:15 PM

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Here is a link to some tech about all that. I should put this link in my sig

justcuz 10-31-2013 07:47 PM

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Ok cool, I read the Pirate thread too (not today). I totally forgot about 63 GMC Kid building his own Eaton front axle. Gonna have to eyeball that.

jbclassix 12-18-2013 01:54 AM

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Well, I realized last night that I have made a big step on the burb, and should take a picture!

This was last night at midnight! IT ROLLS!!!!
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C...240410_246.jpg

So not to long ago, I got some side work that paid for a 91 chevy truck that will donate a lot of parts to the Yukon and the Suburban. The first thing that it donated were the tires! Last night I got the truck unloaded and the wheels swapped, and a few more things done to the burb that I needed to get done so that it would roll.

Today I started working on making room for my brothers truck, which means that the suburban had to move for a while, which was kind of disapointing. Getting it to this stage really motivated me again. I wish I had a better budget for it. So, into the trailer it goes...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Q...143130_135.jpg

Problem...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...143103_886.jpg

I ended up airing out the rear tires and compressing the suspension 3 inches, and I still had to take the lights off the roof of the trailer!
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...151232_008.jpg

Last time the burb was in the trailer it was on its frame with casters. I hope this ride goes better.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...151218_736.jpg

Once the crew cab is done, it will right back here!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...093431_275.jpg

On an interesting side note, since we are using 3 car seats in the Sequoia, we kind of reconfigured the seats to the most convenient arrangement. Interesting enough, we removed one of the middle seats for easier access to the rear seat, and because of this we never really use the left rear door... you know, the one that is a big gaping hole in my burb... Maybe the engineers at GM had some idea of what they were doing only putting in 3 doors.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...115355_873.jpg

Dieselwrencher 12-18-2013 03:43 PM

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Nice work on getting axles back under it! Yeah, it is kind of weird why they did only the 3 doors but I'm guessing they took their thoughts from the station wagons they built? Maybe they didn't think there was a market for a 4 door truck? I'm looking forward to the progress on the crew cab. But not really, because I know what'll do to my mind. :lol:

justcuz 12-21-2013 06:32 PM

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I really can't figure out why GM did not make the 67-72 Suburban's 4 doors. Internationals Travelall had been a 4 door since the redesign in 1961 and the Jeep Wagoner was a 4 door since its introduction also. I suppose GM thought it was a safety feature to load everyone behind the front seat from the curb side. Then again GM's station wagons all had 4 doors even going back to the woodie body style. GM and Jeep did build 2 door wagons, but were eventually eliminated due to the lack of convenience that a 4 door provides.

Your Tahoe link still does not work, does it describe why it won't pass smog?
If it was originally a 49 state vehicle California cannot make you install anything other than 49 state smog stuff on it, so what's missing, the cat?

jbclassix 12-22-2013 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by justcuz (Post 6429079)
...Your Tahoe link still does not work, does it describe why it won't pass smog?
If it was originally a 49 state vehicle California cannot make you install anything other than 49 state smog stuff on it, so what's missing, the cat?

I looked for the thread and it is GONE, so I will start a new one on it. It is an original CA emissions vehicle, and I am the second owner. I will start a new thread on it since I have been tinkering with it for a while these last few months.

justcuz 12-22-2013 02:49 AM

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I found your posting from last February about the O2 sensor and replied to it. If you can't find it pm me and I'll let you know what we did with my sons 93 pickup.

jbclassix 12-22-2013 07:11 PM

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I fixed the link... I just started a new thread

twistedchevy 02-22-2015 08:59 PM

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Bump for a cool burb

jbclassix 02-27-2015 01:30 AM

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Still gathering parts. Life is moving at the speed of life so it's probably not going to get touched until the summer. That's when I'll put the transmission together

jbclassix 04-14-2015 12:55 AM

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First things first,

Sutter Grace
3-30-15

And that makes 4!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7...ennett-104.jpg

My big kids keep asking me when the Suburban can come out of the trailer, and I keep having to tell them when the big truck is running. I think it is awesome that they are gnawing at the bit as much as I am to get the burb back on the road.

I decided a while back that the 700r wasn't what I wanted, so I sourced a 91 4L80E, TCM, Harness, and sensors off a diesel. It's 2WD but that's no bother. I am also set on using a NP241 case, but... I have a TH400/NP205... so I am leaning toward the 4L80E/NP205 just because I wont need anything to run that other driveshafts... maybe.

I am going to build and sell the 700r4/NP205 and throw that up for sale on CL to see if I can fund the interior.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G...218_195307.jpg

Dieselwrencher 04-14-2015 03:54 PM

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Congrats on another kiddo! She looks so cute.

jbclassix 07-02-2015 01:49 AM

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flash back to 2011, and post #212...

I started this...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x...0/DSCN6129.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...0/DSCN6133.JPG

And scrapped it in favor of this...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t.../upload_-1.jpg

So much easier doing it this way.

pickup67man 08-23-2015 09:37 PM

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LockDoc 08-23-2015 10:08 PM

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If you need any further assistance with that please contact any Admin for help.

Only problem is he has to be a "Premium" member to sell them on here and you have to be a "Premium" member to post that you want to by them on here.... If you click on the word "Subscribe" in the menu bar at the top of every page it will explain the membership options...

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pickup67man 08-23-2015 10:28 PM

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Sorry it was a light hearted comment. I'm making my own the way he did and he said the new way was easier. Was joking that the easiest way was for someone else to do it.

justcuz 09-10-2015 11:38 PM

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I don't get the last two comments at all. He is just showing a set of door strikers with no mention of purchase, sale, wanted or whatever. What's the deal?

jbclassix 09-11-2015 01:36 AM

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Travis, I'll see if I still have the cut files. I'll share those if I still have them. Then you'll just have to find someone with a CNC plasma table and someone with a break. I'm guessing you got edited for asking if I was gonna sell one. I had one made for mine and one made for my brothers. I haven't had any luck selling my used parts here in BFC so I let my premium lapse. But like I said, if I can find the files, and if you can get them made, I'll share. That's what we do here, right? Share? I think I'm gonna drill and tap the plates 10-32 to hold the springs. I had the guys delete those holes so I could do it myself.

pickup67man 09-13-2015 02:04 AM

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Travis, I'll see if I still have the cut files. I'll share those if I still have them. Then you'll just have to find someone with a CNC plasma table and someone with a break. I'm guessing you got edited for asking if I was gonna sell one. I had one made for mine and one made for my brothers. I haven't had any luck selling my used parts here in BFC so I let my premium lapse. But like I said, if I can find the files, and if you can get them made, I'll share. That's what we do here, right? Share? I think I'm gonna drill and tap the plates 10-32 to hold the springs. I had the guys delete those holes so I could do it myself.

If you look at post 310 you will see it was edited and not by me. They thought I was posting a "want to buy" and since I'm not a premium member I can't do that and you aren't either so you can't sell. But I have already made two for the drivers side (both doors latch on the B pillar) so one more wont be a problem.

pickup67man 09-13-2015 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by justcuz (Post 7305239)
I don't get the last two comments at all. He is just showing a set of door strikers with no mention of purchase, sale, wanted or whatever. What's the deal?

I made a comment that the only thing easier than making them that was was if someone else made them for you. It was deleted within minutes. That's why it's confusing now.

justcuz 09-14-2015 01:39 PM

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Seems like some pretty overzealous moderators there!
Instead of reading the post they target key words and send out some unfriendly message!
So when a guy sends or receives a message to share info, he gets bugged to be a paying member?
I thought sharing knowledge was what these forums were all about.
I've seen people post product names and vendors in other posts and not get tagged, so I'm still at a loss here.

Mt Man Chad 11-01-2015 10:46 PM

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Look what happened to http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/member.php?u=31403
Great Guy, Great parts and Good prices on hard to find items.........

Dieselwrencher 11-02-2015 08:21 PM

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He's been gone for years, unfortunately .

Jeremy, I might be getting a 4l80e that is 4x4 and I need the 2wd stuff. If I end up getting it, I'd trade ya if you wanted.

jbclassix 11-03-2015 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher (Post 7362936)
He's been gone for years, unfortunately .

Jeremy, I might be getting a 4l80e that is 4x4 and I need the 2wd stuff. If I end up getting it, I'd trade ya if you wanted.

Sharpie had some great stuff, really! Ryan, tailshaft, housing, and yoke? I actually needed to pick your brain... I've hit a brick wall on the cummins crew. My fan is up too high. any suggestions? I do not want to drop the engine any more than it already is.


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