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The mounts don't bother me that much since I'll be making my own to set the engine as far back and down as possible. Have you seen Shrunken66stroker's build thread? He's in the middle of a No Limit r&p install with an LS motor. I'm watching to see what he comes up with for steering joints.
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Well.... you have a game plan and thats what counts. I have the "5 year plan" on mine with various stages along the way.
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Post some pics of that restored gauge cluster!

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I thought I had a plan together when I first bought the truck... :lol:



Here's the gauge cluster. It's for sale in the for sale section with a full description of what I've done to it. $550 shipped.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=527764


http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...e/8ef10d62.jpg

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...e/6ce8c525.jpg

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...e/3dcb50f7.jpg

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...e/d2f3dd76.jpg

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Here's what the tach will look like. Subtle, eh?

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...ut/10ktach.jpg

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Sweet!!

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Interesting concept you have on the engine. I like different views and you definitely have one :) My only question (and I am in no way insinuating that you are doing the wrong thing so forgive me if it seems that way) is how does destroking an engine improve everyday driveability? Seems to me that more torque further down in the RPMs would make it more driver friendly as this is more often usable. Or am I missing the boat entirely? I know that when I ride my 88 CI Harley which makes a bunch of top end HP versus my friends 96 CI his is much more fun to just cruise on because it makes tons of low end power and the seat of your pants definitely feels it. Now I have big cams and in an all out drag race I rev higher and am ultimately faster but just is not as much fun to ride. Or are you just planning on having enogh power that that it makes plenty down low too (a fantastic idea). Love this truck btw and I am anxious to see more work on it!

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El Campo, you're thinking straight on the crank. Destroking it would typically kill bottom end torque, but I'm thinking that the intake with 8 separate runners will keep reversion from influencing/diluting the intake charge like it does with a plenum manifold, so that will definitly help with low speed engine smoothness and torque production. I'll bump the compression up too to help with low end torque. The LSx guys are running around 30 degrees more duration when they swap to an IR intake with no loss of bottem end driveability and way better throttle response. The other reason for the 4.8 crank is that it's stronger and slows the piston speed down so the rods and pistons aren't as stressed at high rpms. That along with porting the heads will move the powerband up a good bit- I hate it when an engine won't pull hard on the top end. It'll also be geared short (4.56) to take advantage of the higher powerband.

The current engine in my '64 VW is a torque monster (peak tq at around 2400 rpm) but it gives up around 5200 rpm, and that's no fun with 4.37 gears. So I'd be fine with giving up a little torque to have it pull harder up top. If I need more torque I can always downshift. My dad likes to get his truck in 5th/overdrive asap and thinks he's killing an engine if it gets above 3000 rpm; I'm just the opposite. If it doesn't work as planned I can fairly easily pull it and swap the 5.3 crank/rods back in.

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That makes sense. :) Sounds well thought out. And I can appreciate that! Very curious to get it running and see how it works, so go work on it!! :-D You probably have it figured out right, I have the exact opposite problem. I have a torque monster also (535 BB) which makes 666lb/ft at only 3000 RPM but power stops falling off around 5100. But I have a 3.08 gear so it works decent. Thats the thing that has been keeping me from going to a different gear. I probably have it all wrong though!!!! I have nothing but the upmost respect for your work so keep on rocking!

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You don't have it all wrong! Just two different ways to go at it. We have a '97 S10 SS that makes all it's torque at around 3300 rpm, and pulls to only about 5k. It also has a 3.08 and works fine, like you said.


Here's how I like 'em. BMW M3, 4.0 V8 with IR intake, and revs to something like 8500-9000 rpm! Fairly quiet exhaust so you mostly hear the intake noise. Around 2:30 there's vid of it driving on the street. That thing sounds amazing! This is what I'm after with the destroked 5.3 build.

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cool video , the LS will be assume with a IR intake on it.

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Subscribed! Don't know how I missed this build before. Glad you posted it on pt.

Chris
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how did you go about putting the decal on the air gauge? Obviously the decal doesnt have the holes already in it, and im afraid of the gauge spring out of place when i remove the pointer, or breaking the pointer. any pointers would be great, thanks.

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Envy, I used a sharp, small hole punch that was slightly larger than the stem of the needle, then cut a slit goin straight down from the punched hole. The hole is covered up by the needle and the slit isn't really visible once the gauge is mounted in the cluster. Hope this helps!
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perfect, that makes me feel much better. what about the two rivets protruding at the bottom?

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If you use glass cleaner or soapy water to position the decal without it sticking hard, you'll have to wait till it fully dries before the decal will stick around the rivets. Other than that I didn't have any problems with them, and they're also hidden once it's mounted.
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Update on the engine plans, and a change to the planned 140 mph speedo. I'm not going to use a L33 5.3 block- they can't be bored much at all. Leaving the stock bore would make it around 290 CI, so it probably wouldn't make enough torque to pull the truck around. I've decided to go with a 4" bore LS2 block (still with a 4.8 crank) to make 329 CI. I'll probably go with LS3 heads since they flow plenty and have hollow intake valves that will work well with the 8500 RPM limit.

I worked on the Speedo graphics today to send Jason at Greenback Decal (the guy that's building the tach and speedo graphics). I changed it to 15 mph increments from the original 10 mph increments so I could keep the same spacing and amount of characters. So it goes to 150 mph instead of the 140 mph I was planning on, and keeps the original hash marks on the speedo face. The problem I had with 140 mph was trying to squeeze the extra 110, 120, 130, and 140 characters onto the lens while keeping the original 10 mph increments- it would be too crowded that way. It kinda looks too busy with the 15 mph increments, but I haven't come up with any other way to do it.

Thoughts and suggestions? Leave it at 150mph with 15mph increments? Or? Anybody want to donate a LS2 block? :lol:


http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...0/013cbc67.jpg



An original 100 mph speedo with 10mph increments. I really like the way every number ends in a zero.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...e/8ef10d62.jpg

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you could do like alot of modern speedos and just do every other 10 miles an hour-20-40-60. would be less crouded

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Do you have a pic of the 140 for us to compare.

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I don't really like the 5's on the 150 scale. OMG, how fast do you plan to drive that thing?????

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I thought about that, but I'm not that it could be calibrated easily if it went to 200 (doubling each number that's already there).



I didn't make a 140 mph edit, I thought it would get too crowded if I tried to cram in the extra 110, 120, 130, and 140.



I'm not too keen on the 5's either.



I did some searching this morning for a factory KPH speedo and hit the jackpot. They go to 160 KPH in increments of 20 without being crowded, and all the numbers end in a zero. Unfortunately these were the only two pics I could find in the '64-66 style. Sure would be nice to find a NOS deluxe KPH lens!

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Your pretty good at finding needles in a hay stack so a nos lens should be a piece of cake oh yeah this speedo gets my vote.

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I'm subscribing to follow the rest of this one. I can't wait to see that engine come together. :metal: You're doing a great job with all the details.

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Well, it helps when the needles are actually out there! I wouldn't even know where to start looking for one of those.


Thanks!
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no matter what eng you put in there
the definition of acceleration


The Definition of Acceleration

Read this through slowly and try to comprehend the amount of force produced in just over 4 seconds!

There are no rockets or airplanes built by any government in the world that can accelerate from a standing start as fast as a Top Fuel Dragster or Funny Car!



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DEFINITION OF ACCELERATION:



One top fuel dragster 500 cubic inch (approx 8.3 litres) engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows of stock cars at the Daytona 500.

It takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 8,000+ horsepower of an NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels.

Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.

A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster's supercharger.

With 3,000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.

Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of nitro methane, the flame front temperature measures 7,050 deg F.

Nitro methane burns yellow... The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After halfway, the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph (well before half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence.

Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light ! Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load.

The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm.

Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $1:000:00 per second.

The current top fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.428 seconds for the quarter mile (11/12/06, Tony Schumacher, at Pomona , CA ). The top speed record is 336.15 mph as measured over the last 66' of the run (05/25/05 Tony Schumacher, at Hebron , OH ).

Putting all of this into perspective:

You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter 'twin-turbo' powered Corvette Z06.. Over a mile up the road, a top fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and pass the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment.

The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds, the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him.

Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1,320 foot long race course.

....... and that my friend, is ACCELERATION!!

ron

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Hubba hubba hubba!!
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I don't need you giving me anymore idea's about going fast! :burnout:


:metal:



Well, I'm pretty sure I've settled in on the 160 mph speedo. Much more simple and not as crowded/busy.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...0/9b3a1bfb.jpg

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would you feel secure in one of these at 160.I have had my old 4 x 4 panel up around 85 and felt that was enough and that was with a 4 cyl and it was just starting to hum' I did have a 911T when I was younger and had it reading at 150 mph and felt it was pretty quick
these vehicles of ours are like a square brick in the wind though. I can remember coming into Vancouver on the freeway in my panel fighting a good h/wind and had trouble going over 50mph
ron

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Great project! You 60-66 guys arent afraid to charge in there!

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With the planned frame/suspension modifications it should be very stable well above 100 mph.


Thanks!


As far as updates go, the VW engine is back in- just gotta hook everything back up, so that'll be out of the way within the next week or so. I got the steering column cover back from a friend last week, so I have all the pieces to go ahead and rebuild/detail the column and paint the wheel, turn signal housing, and shifter bell. I'll probably do this next. I haven't checked with the gauge guy in a few weeks, so no update on the speedo/tach for now. I haven't been able to find an LS2 block locally, so I'm not able to mock up the engine/trans yet either. I feel like a slacker for not making any progress this summer!

I have been working on replicating the textured '66 only dashboard paint. This was using SEM Texture Coating in a rattle can, and swapping the spray nozzle for a regular paint can tip for a finer mist. I backed off the panel about 2 feet so that it would dry spray and not flow out. It's a little to coarse/rough but fairly close, and I think buying it by the quart and spraying it at higher pressure through my Sata will produce the results I'm looking for. The green is just some rattle can paint over the SEM to see how well paint covers without distorting the texture. I'd say the factory texture matches 150-180 grit sandpaper pretty closely, and the rattle can SEM is around the texture of 80-120 grit. I'm hoping that thinning it and spraying through my paint gun should get it dead on the original paint texture!

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...47FAFCEF41.jpg

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Another cool tip, I also didn't know the '66 had a textured dash.

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Yep, here's a couple shots of the glovebox door and heater controls. It's about the same texture as 180-220 grit sandpaper.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/223db84e.jpg

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...0/4fa06372.jpg


I was at a local scrap dealer yesterday and picked up a floor shift lever from an early 50's Chevy 3100. I'll weld on a tab to mount it to the T56 and get an original shift knob engraved with the 6 speed pattern. It's solid forged instead of a hollow tube, so it should hold up to any abuse it "might" encounter. ;)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...FC34EC6C18.jpg

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...FC3C8CE89B.jpg



If I can find one, I'll sand the 4/5 speed shift pattern off an original shift knob and have the six speed pattern engraved, filled with white paint, then clear coat it. I don't know anyone that does precision engraving though.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/s...FD7A14FB42.jpg

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Personally, I know nothing of LS engines. Someone once mentioned to me that they do tend to leak.

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Got that backwards I think.....LSx motors do NOT leak....like a sbc.
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With your eye and level of detail I think you could engrave the shifter knob with a dremel.
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If I can find one, I'll sand the 4/5 speed shift pattern off an original shift knob and have the six speed pattern engraved, filled with white paint, then clear coat it. I don't know anyone that does precision engraving though.

I don't know for sure but you might check with a bowling ball retailer, they engrave names on balls.
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i like the texture on your dash... i did mine by backing off about a foot with real low air pressure. kept misting color on color till the buildup covered good. i still had to matte clearcoat after the paint dried because to me it felt a bit rough. how did you do yours?

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Right, my sister has a Trailblazer SS with an LS2 and it hasn't leaked a drop.



It would end up being a mess if I tried that lol. I've tried pinstriping before... I won't tell you how badly that went!



That's a great idea, and there's a couple local bowling centers that I could check with. Thanks!



I've only done the test panel so far using SEM Texture Coating. The other pics are the original paint. I may try your method since the SEM is a little too coarse.

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http://www.americanshifter.com/produ...d-Shift-Knobs/

http://www.epcoshiftknobs.com/engraved.html

but $

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I never mentioned sbc or compared the two. Like I said, it's what I've heard.

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Shoot!! There ya go! $33... heck thats worth it!