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Intro and the longest build thread you'll ever see.
Hey guys and gals. My name is Vance and this is my intro/build thread. Like the title says, this build is probably going to take a loooong time. I have no money, little time, and my wife and I are expecting our 2nd child ANY DAY NOW.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4049/hpim5309.jpg I bought this truck in the summer of '05 for $300. ('66 SWB Fleetside. Zero options, 250 inline 6.) It belonged to my friend's grandfather (2nd owner) who inherited it from his father (1st owner). After my buddy's grandfather died, it sat under a tree in Mississippi for almost a decade, rusting away. A tree fell on it, smashing in the hood and breaking the windshield. I bought it, knowing I had my work cut out for me. But, when I put new gas in the tank, gapped the points, and put in a new battery, it fired right up! I did a bit of maintenance, replaced the whole braking system, and have been driving it semi-regularly for the past 4 years. The rockers, floors, and door bottoms are completely shot. The more I uncover, the worse it gets. I found a new hood (the blue one) cheap on e-bay and just this week I found a mostly-rust-free parts truck less than an hour from me. I call it a parts truck, but the only thing it's missing is an engine. http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3880/hpim5310.jpg My truck has perfect, never-touched fenders, bed, etc...the only parts that are rusty is the cab and the doors. This donor truck has very good doors and cab. http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3349/hpim5326.jpg It even has a nice set of wheels the PO bought for it. (Not at all my style, though.) http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/50/hpim5312.jpg The PO had this truck on his farm (it's a real barn find!) for 11 years. Was going to fix it up...never got around to it, etc. It's in remarkably good shape. I had pretty much lost hope of finding something like this in Florida. So, my plan is to take the cab and doors from this donor truck, fix the few small problems with the donor cab (rear corners, small dings, etc.) and sell off the rest of the truck to finance this build. Luckily, I do have some help: http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8156/hpim4972v.jpg Even with the help of my shop monkey, this build is going to take forever. But I wanted to do a proper intro and put this up here to keep me motivated. I'm sure I'll be pestering you guys with questions. This isn't my first old car (I currently drive a '55 Chevy BelAir as my daily), but it is my first ground-up restoration. Plans are for a clean and simple resto-mod. Outside appearance will remain mostly stock, but I may paint the top of the cab white. Color will probably be turquoise and white. Lowered 2"/4", add disc brakes, carpet, and an original-appearing radio (that will actually just power my iPod). I'm keeping the 250 inline 6, but may switch the tranny to a T-5. That's about it. Thanks for reading. I will post updates as I get stuff done, but like the title says, it's going to take me a long time. |
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Nice introduction. I'm diggin' your build plan.
If you need anything, there's a lot of knowledge, ideas, & parts resources here @ your disposal; just let us know. Let the fun begin . . .... |
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Thanks, SCOTI! This is a great place, I've actually been a member here for about a year, and a lurker before that. Just never had much to add until now.
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Good for you. Having a realistic vision and objectives can really help in the motivation department. It's much easier to stay enthused about a running vehicle than a pile of parts. I agree with SCOTI, nice introduction.
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What a cool old truck. I love to hear the stories about the old truck that has been waiting for someone to come along and save it from Rust Heaven. Its great that your Son is out there even if it is just for moral support. I have been doing a resto on my Sons 64 Shortwide and its been a 2 month marathon so far. We had it for about 10 years now and just now got to the Resto. We still have a million things to do but its coming together. The big difference with my build is my Son is 18 and he is pouring himself into the build. He actually painted about 60% of the Base Coat and about 80% of the Clear Coat. Its great to teach your kids and great to hear your plans for that great old truck that your Son will be driving Someday. JRBECK64 |
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Nice project, good luck and we'll try and answer as many questions as possible.
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Nice story and intro. I think your in the same boat as most of us. Married with children and a little bit of life thrown in there. :haha: Good luck and stay focused. This forum helps me stay on track. It gets to a point with myself that if I don't post any progress, I feel l've let people down. ;) Or something like that. I think the biggest job in front of you is having the longest build thread. :lol:
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Welcome Vance from West Tn.
Nice start to your rig. cool story about the truck... And everyone needs a good shop monkey.. |
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Welcome Vance. Sounds like we both are on the same track. I'm down here in Panama City and plan on taking trips to your town for parts and such. if you need any help just holler.:metal:
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Thanks, guys! I think by the time my son is driving age, we should be about done with the truck.
I plan on doing everything to this truck myself. I might farm out re-upholstering the seat, but I may even give that a try. Engine, trans, welding, paint...I'm going to do it all myself. The only thing I'm not that comfortable with is paint, but I'm going to try it anyway. :crazy: Here's one question for you guys: As I fix the few rust issues, I'll spray some epoxy primer to keep it clean until I can do the whole truck. Does it matter which brand I use? I don't know yet which paint I'll be using, and I know you aren't supposed to mix brands on certain things. Or does it matter - should I just sand off whatever primer I put on it and re-spray once I'm ready to do the whole truck? |
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I like the PPG DP Epoxy product line (DP90, etc...). It's higher priced but worth the cost because it's like an OE coating
https://buyat.ppg.com/refinishProduc...3-e87c240f4c09 |
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Welcome to the forum bluesfella. You have found the best place on the net to come for resources and encouragement. Good luck and keep us posted.
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:welcome2: from NW Florida...i like your plans & look forward to seeing the progress...good luck with the build!
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Welcome to the dark side.. :mmmk:
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Welcome from the other coast. x2 on the PPG DP Epoxy
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Welcome to the board Vance :D
I enjoyed reading your intro and your plan for your truck. I can relate to the long build part too. I have used the PPG DP Epoxy also. It is a good product but it is $$. But probably not much more than any other good epoxy. Another PPG primer that I've had good luck with is NCP271. I like it partly because it doesn't contain chrome, lead or isocyanites. You might check into PPG's Omni line epoxy primer too. There are other brands of good epoxy too, but not all that I'm familar with may be available to you. I've heard good reviews on products from http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com also. Let us know when you have questions or issues. |
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Vance,
If your doing welding or bodywork where you have taken it all the way down to the metal you need to apply an Acid Etch Primer. That will chemically Etch the surface and then you will have a layer that the primer will stick to. Before you put the Acid Etch on there you need to make sure and clean the area extremely good with some PPG 330 wax and grease remover. I haven't been doing this very long but I have been working with a Mentor that has painted over 100 cars. I would suggest that you do your homework and if you know someone that paints to get them to Mentor you through your first paint job. Good Luck again with your project. JRBECK64 |
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So, acid etch primer first, then epoxy primer? And then 2k primer later to sand?
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I dont think you need to etch then epoxy, as they both seal the metal. most use epoxy then body work. then 2k primer. I dont know much about paint, but I think I'm pretty right. I used DP90 on my frame and recommend it.
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Everything I've ever read says never use etch primer under epoxy, they aren't compatible. Most professional web forums recommend epoxy primer on bare metal. It's main benefit is the ability to grip the metal, and what goes on top. It's recommended the epoxy go on first, even under body filler. I left my tailgate in PPG DP90 for 5 years and although it faded over time, it never allowed any rust to start.
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I agree. I've been told to not use etching primer under epoxy also. I have also been told that the NCP line of PPG primers is a little better on bare sanded steel than DP. I have used DP and left uncoated for extended periods with good results, but it was the old DP that had lead in it. I prefer to have my metal abrasive blasted whenever possible. It is best to get rid of the old finish totally and it provides for a superior grip for the epoxy......IMHO
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Cool story
cool truck A rust free original cab,,,,what's that LOL T |
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Cool truck! Great to see more guys in FL. I'm about half way though my rebuild. I have a 1966 C10. It's a lot bigger project then i first intented. This is suppose to be my daily driver. But i could only keep it running 3 weeks or so and gave up. Decided to tear it apart and redo the motor. Then my eye were bigger then my budget, and i tore everything apart. I'm slowly getting it back together. I just decided i want a spare grill. I want to keep my stock one, and i want one i can modify. If you have a spare one from your parts truck, let me know.
Good luck on yours. I will check back often. |
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welcome to the board from hot and humid S. FL.
looks like a great plan for a nice build! |
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I have never used Epoxy Primer so I was not aware it did the same thing as the Acid Etch Primer. I usually do my bodywork, Hammer the metal as close to flat as Possible, Then Apply an Acid Etch Primer to the surface where the metal is bare. Then I do my bodywork with the filler. After I do the bodywork with the filler I then apply a High Build Primer and sand it down with 150 Grit and a long board. I then Spray a Sealer Coat on the truck and do a 500 Grit wet sand. Each coat or Layer I put on the truck I use a Guide Coat so I can tell when the truck is sanded properly. Once the Sealer is properly Sanded I then apply the Base Coat and then the Clear Coat. It sounds pretty easy when you put it on paper but not when your doing it. I have found that its easy to manipulate the sanding blocks or longboard to make sanding the guidecoats real easy but that doesn't mean that you have sanded it right. All this comes with time and experience. I just painted my sons truck and I can go around it and tell where I didn't do as good as I would have liked to. But again its all about learning. Good Luck with your truck. JRBECK64 |
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Got a little work done this week. My daughter was born on Monday (woohoo!), so things have been pretty crazy around here, but I did get some sheet metal removed from the donor truck:
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3871/hpim5449.jpg How it sits at the moment. I'm really amazed at how much of this truck is in great shape. I haven't had to cut off a single bolt so far (but I have come close). I just use some aero-kroil (similar to PB Blaster) on each nut/bolt a few minutes before trying to loosen them, and so far, everything has come apart pretty easily. http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/191/hpim5450.jpg Driver's side finder, one small repair in the corner: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1687/hpim5451.jpg Passenger fender, same deal: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8241/hpim5452.jpg The front headlight panel is in great shape: http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4594/hpim5453.jpg Pretty good tailgate, too: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4766/hpim5454.jpg Check out the electric fan attached to the radiator! http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2704/hpim5447.jpg In various boxes in the cab, I found a Rochester Quadrajet, an older Holley carb, and this '68 cast iron intake: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3615/hpim5448.jpg I haven't been able to figure out what it's off of, the numbers don't match any lists I can find from that year. Anyone know of a good place to figure that out? http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8544/hpim5298d.jpg That's "819803"...doesn't show up on any list I've found so far. The date stamped is '68, though. Anyway, the plan for this weekend is to pull the truck into the garage, remove the rest of the front sheetmetal and bed, and start patching the few rusty bits on the cab. I can't wait to work on this thing in the garage, and NOT the side yard...I need my air tools, and plenty of light! Thanks for looking. |
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Also, here's a crappy photoshop of someone else's truck that I modified to match my vision of what I want my truck to end up like:
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Congrats on the new addition.:metal: Nice progress!! That green was my other choice but went with orange. i love that green.
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Welcome from North Central Florida! Congrats on the new daughter! The story and intro was great and the plans sound great also. That rendering looks pretty sweet too, I'd definitely be driving something like it.
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I dig the color scheme. And CONGRATS on the baby girl!!!
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Man, I saw that parts truck on craigslist and didn't have the space to store it. Wish I would have now! Nice score, and welcome from a fellow newbie from North Florida.
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Great score on the parts truck...looks like it will save you lots of time fixing rust, I am new here to but I have been reading a bit here everyday, welcome to the forum and good luck with your project..looks like a great start
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If you want to have the longest build thread ever your going way to fast you need to sloooow down.:lol: Welcome :uhmk:
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If you still have the grill, im interested. Let me know what you want for it. I will try to arrange picking it up. Thx alot
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I wouldn't say you have the longest build ever...I've had my '63 since '03 and haven't even gotten half of what you have done. I say it's time and money but if I had the money I could make the time, lol. Good luck on your build...looks like you've gotten a good start.
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Well, I finally got the donor truck into the garage last week. I pulled all the rest of the front sheetmetal off, yanked the doors, and starting sanding off the paint to find out what I really had.
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7786/001ry.jpg The Good: The doors aren't too bad. The Bad: LOTS more rust than I thought in the floorboards and rockers! The Ugly: Some "Bondo Artist" really layered it on thick and covered up a lot of poor repairs. This cab is much worse than it looked - I don't even know if I can use it. http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4154/003lz.jpg You can see here the corner of the passenger door - about what I expected, and totally fixable. http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2484/004sx.jpg Here's the passenger cab corner - that's one massive chuck of bondo. I knew this area would need to be replaced, I didn't know it was solid bondo. http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1378/015ey.jpg Here is the real disappointment - someone really masked this area well with the pink stuff. I really thought I could use this cab to replace mine...mine has the exact same problems, so no sense in even trying. http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2112/009ef.jpg Looks like I'll have to purchase a full rocker for this side. And that's what I was trying to avoid by getting this truck in the first place. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5278/010dp.jpg Someone just filled the floorboard section with bondo to hold it together. Don't people know this doesn't work? http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4765/016lk.jpg And here's another surprise - I'm not sure what this is called, it's a drip rail in front of the door, I guess. This area is perfect on my cab, but the donor cab is completely rusted through in parts. Only on the passenger side, though. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8315/011tb.jpg How do you even fix areas like this? I can't get to the backside... http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3852/020vg.jpg The driver's side is better as far as the rockers and under seat area. I think I'll just cut this whole area out and put it in my truck. It's about the only usable thing on this cab. http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4785/021nuh.jpg Driver's side floorboard. Just as bad as my truck. There a still a bunch of good parts on the truck that I can sell. A guy is coming by to get the seat and gas tank this weekend. My plan now is to just sell of everything I can, and use the money to buy the patch panels for the rockers and floors. I guess I can use this as a learning experience. There are no rust free cabs left. This is my third try, and I guess I'm going to give up and just spend the dough on the parts to fix up my cab. At least on mine, I know exactly where the problems are - no bondo hiding poor repairs. I'm the third owner of my truck, the previous two owners were my buddy's grandfather and great-grandfather. No work has ever been done to the truck by them, it's still wearing the original paint, so at least I know what I have. |
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Don't feel too bad, the entire passenger rocker on mine was bondo and wire lathe. I am just patch paneling everything, and making my own where patches are not available. Stick with it though, it will be great!
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How do you even fix areas like this? I can't get to the backside...
I recognize that damage...I'm going to lay some fiberglass over my vent cover, but I suppose you could cut the rust out and weld in a small patch. |
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