The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Please welcome John Lee Jr. Resting comfortably in his new home side by side with Ol John Lee in Sanford NC. Its 1964 and 1965 all over again.



John Lee Jr is a 1965 Chevy C10 Truck. 230 L6, SM318 trans, 3 on the tree. Original Easley SC truck. Done over by the past owners Dad in 1994 and under 200 miles on him since the paint, upholstery an engine overhaul. He starts on a kick of the key and purrs like mad bumblebees, only a few weeks left and he's on the road again here in the Sandhills of NC. I'm proud to have John Lee Jr as a replacment for Ol John Lee. I'm sure we'll have as many or more wonderful miles together tourin this great state and carting deer home from the woods.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...um/u7jUgzy.jpg
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...um/okBqo3m.jpg
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...um/Wa81B3L.jpg
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...um/TVYSO9z.jpg
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...um/niWQQ9k.jpg
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...um/lXyuV2c.jpg
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...um/ACybmvs.jpg
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...um/NLdQr1I.jpg

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I wanna be the first to say: NICE truck man! Enjoy it!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Sweeeeeet Looking Steper! You Did Good

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Wow.............I really like this truck, it is exactly like mine before I started. Great find !!!!!!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Thanks all...started workin on him. Installed Ol John Lees driver side visior and black rearview mirror. Fixed a nail in the lr tire too. Drove it round and round and round the yard...FUN!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Congrats, truck looks really good

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

GoodWife Sharps just looked him over...she's like lets go to dinner in the new truck....oh yeah, plates/resistration and tires first....

I think she just wants to go bangin thru the gears!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Good Looking Truck, one of these days I will get to drive my 65 stepper... Enjoy!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

That is what I call a Happy Ending!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Congratulations, awesome find! Must feel good to have it home!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

It feels great. I got up at 530 and looked out the window at it...lovely.

First jobs are done, installed drivers visor and black drivers door rear view mirror. Today or tomorrow, I pull the tires, check the brakes and will swap out the tires/wheels and any of the spanky new brake parts from Ol John Lee as needed....eventually, I'll pull all of Ol John Lees split brake lines and move the dual master (67 C10/Impala drum/drum) over to John Lee Jr. Got a guy considering Ol John Lees cab so if he dosn't buy the whole truck I have all of Ol John Lees brand new suspension to transfer over later this year.

This weekend will also see and oil change with ZDDP additive so we can finish up the motor break in. Typical of the Rochester B carb, it pukes a teaspoon of fuel on hot shutdown....I'll look that over too as needed, it appears to be the hot overflow that weeps out the lower throttle shaft axle holes. Rebuilts are available from Oreilly and Advance auto, with Oreilly having the best price. But I'll play with this one a bit if the fuel weeping is too big or too often.

And finally, John Lee Jr is gonna need an exhaust system this year.....maybe an old school glass pack.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Congrats and I am so glad the new John Lee Jr has a good and loving home, ole John Lee sure did and he still does.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Great pics to start the thread with.

Welcome indeed.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I wouldn't be so quick to put Old John Lee out to pasture. There's a lot of parts available to put him back together. These trucks are like potato chips You can't have just one!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I hear ya and it was a very difficult decision. I poured my heart into Ol John Lee and he carried me safe and reliable everywhere. But, Ol John Lee is on Salvage title now...no way to avoid that w/o more lawer time than the value of the truck and my limited budget allowed. As such, on a salvage/rebuild title he is uninsurable with my company. At $5200 (14 hrs frame time + labor + parts) rebuild is not a financially responsible decision for a truck that can't be insured nor gaurenteed to be placed in safe working order. The left frame is torn, face deflected 1" in, buckled down 3" and in 2". The right frame is buckled out 1.5" and up 2". Left spindle cracked, left upper control arm and shaft is bent/deflected, not counting all the sheetmetal damage on the front and left.

I think the best resurection of Ol John Lee is passing along opportunity for other safer and more suitable trucks to be repaired and/or upgraded. Currently, he's an organ doner for two trucks...both 1965 SBSSs. Cab may go to a 64 LBSS. Bed may go to a 64 SBFS conversion. Windshield and lights may go out to a 64 SBFS. Its quite possible that many guys and gals can make positive inroads with their best friends...an that in my mind changes the destruction of Ol John Lee from unnecessary tragedy to blessing.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Tire size question.

Both Ol John Lee and John Lee Jr have original wheels. They are approximatly 6.7x15 or 7x15.

Ol John Lee 1964 C10 (283 V8 - SM318 trans - 3.73 rear) is shod with new tires, P225-70R15 at about 26" tall with weight on. His speedo runs about 3 mph slow based on the Garman. These appear a bit too short but the right width.

John Lee Jr 1965 C10 (230 I6 - SM318 Trans - Assumed 3.73 rear) is shod with old/flat spot P235-75R15 at about 28" tall with weight on. I have not yet checked the speedo against the Garman. These appear to be a bit too tall and a bit too fat.

I plan to run the smaller Ol John Lee tires on John Lee Jr for now since they are new and have no flat spots. I want to upgrade to 6.7x15 or 7x15 steelies with moons later.

So, what is the most correct metric tire size to purchase for original size wheels. I want the right height for speedo calibration and to have the right narrow tire look as well.

Thanks in advance.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I think I got the formula now.....6.7x15 oughta be .....

215mm/25.4= 8.464" wide x 0.75 = 6.348" tall sidewall, theres 2 sides so x 2 = 12.698 + rim size (15) = 27.698" tall

I've been told 27.4" is the right size by several. Any thoughts?

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Google the miata tire calculator. It will help with your tire sizes. However, a 225 70 15 should be about the same height as a 215 75 15. I'm in the exact same dilemma. I have a set of 225 70 15s, and a set of 235 75 15s to chose from. I like the taller ones for the truck to lower the highway RPM, but they are a bit fat for OEM wheels.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Thats my delema too. I'm leaning toward runnin the 2257015s since they are the right width and I like the look in the fenderwell better. But the revs are a bit higher.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I may be wrong but if you have a 3:73 you will need to change your carrier as that is as high as you can go with that series. You might look at changing the whole rear end out and go later model with 5 bolt rear and change the front to 5 bolt disc's.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

im running a 235/75r15 on mine rich

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

you should salvage the bed and back half of the 64 and make a matching trailor to pull behind the 65

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

This is a good idea. I've seen a few re-purposed beds like that, and they look really good.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

With a 3 series posi you scrap the 4 series carrier. I'd use an eaton posi.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

If I can keep the uninsured unlicensed folks the heck away from me I plan to make up a tear drop camping trailer for John Lee Jr.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I have fella comeing for the cab to put on his 64 Fleet and two inquiries on the rest of the bed. Update, scrap that, bed is sold now too, just got an email. So looks like right now Ol John Lee is fixin up 4 other trucks and a 5th if the windshield and turnsignal buyer comes thru. A sixth if the fella wants the motor. Makein me feel a bit better bout the whole mess

That leaves me the suspension and brakes to pull for John Lee Jr and a frame to take apart. I believe most of the cross members are still fine as frog hairs and stuff like the body mounts, shock mounts, etc. Its gonna be a hell fest grindin out all them rivits though. Still don't know what I'll do with the 64 rear...those are odd balls with 17 spline axles and I spect Ol John Lees axle bearings have worn out the shafts. I think someone wants the 283 but not sure yet.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I think even the radiator support can be straightened up and reused.

The smashed grill with busted headlight is gonna hang on the wall of the house, or at least the workshop if GoodWife Sharps hollers bout it.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I see the new v8 radiator is also used for the 292 I6. I pulled it today along with the air dams case I decide the old small rad in Jr needs replaced. It'd mean new longer top hose but looks like a no brainer to add the big radiator with trans cooler to Jr.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Right now though, I'm a firm believer and sold on PB blaster. Only snapped off three bolts stripping the front, cab, bed.

A 30 minute soak and bolts come right out mostly w/o any squeeking.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Naturally, it quit raining last night just at dark....oh well, Got plenty of work done on Ol John Lee for the cab buyer and the bed sold as well, so disassembled it. Maybe get to start moving tires and such over to John Lee Jr tonight and as soon as the final papers come in, title and plates!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Well, initial work completed. Enough to take John Lee Jr out for a 20 minute ride around the neighborhood on round wheels. Wow is the word. Very much different, in a good way, than drivin Ol John Lee.

Steering is light as a feather and very light manuvering parking lots. Enough that I got out a second time and checked to see if it had a power steering pump. Up to 30 mph or so it does not track ruts and grooves. I need a back road run after tags and insurance to really vet the suspension out. Breaks are firm and fast but with a pull right so the fronts need adjusted. Fan belt is a bit winey, sounds like a turbo spooling up and down so I wont fix that for now...its kinda cool. Shift points are much higher than the 283, this 230 is quite strong and winds out smoothly. We did several hill pulls from under 5 mph to 35 mph at the top of steep hills useing second gear only....down the steeps engine brakeing in second and there were no thumps or knocks/rattles in the engine. The Rochester Mod B carb did not puke any fuel this trip. The brake drums are original, at least on the front as they are still rivited to the hubs so I grabbed the new drums off Ol John Lee for a transfer on brake inspection and adjustment this weekend. Shifts are smooth and the clutch engages at the floor in the first third of the stroke. Radiator cap is 7 lbs so we'll change that to 13 lbs when adding the overflow this weekend. Start up cold is lightning fast and the throttle actually throttles....thats a nice switch. Heater works but I suspect like Ol John Lee it needs replaced or at least flushed as its not real warm air...but enough to clear the fog on a damp day. Drivers window jumped the rubber gripper thingie at the bottom so gotta leave it up for now and get in there with a new rubber strip to clamp it tight. Got a couple light issues, fixed one with a kiss of sand paper to estabilish a new ground and I have three out of 4 turn signals. So, overall, not bad after an 18 year sit. Just waiting on the mandatory NC No Flood Vehicle declaration from the prior owners and I can tag it...it was damn tempting to hit the main road and open it up, even w/o tags on it. But, I behaved myself. Tags and registration and insurance first. Then we'll take it out and row it all over the Sandhills.

Installed Ol John Lees wheels and tires for now. Also transfered over his chrome gas cap, black mirror and the drivers side sun visor.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Oh yeah, the seat is soft and the spring don't poke me in the butt. Nice!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Congrats! This was far the best original unmolested truck locally for sale I looked at within six months now. In my case "I will buy it now" would be much better choice for me instead "Let me sleep it over" which I did... :banghead: Enjoy it!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Congrats on the new truck, John Lee Jr., & the settlement & parting out of John Lee Sr. :bowtie:

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

I craigslisted/oodled/thriftynickled every major city within 250 miles of Sanford for several weeks. Mostly I saw, talked over or looked at rust buckets or very poorly execuited (by poor I mean no plan or goal, not necessarilly poor work) trucks in the $3500 to $4000 range (that seems to be the asking price of any C10 that has had some combination of a single can of primer, a new set of brakes, a worn out 8 year old home rebuilt motor in "like new" condition and torn seat repaired with a blanket)

So, when I saw pics of John Lee Jr I immediatly tried to put a downpayment via credit card over the phone. But they wanted me to look it over first so I got my old legs movein that direction ASAP and it all worked out.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Anybody use this on an I6? Any Good? Price is nice. Does it also need the external regulator alternator replaced by an internal regulator alternator to prevent voltage spikes?

http://www.aipelectronics.com/index....r-engines.html

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Big Easter weekend planned for John Lee Jr. Title if the flood paperwork arrives in time and a test ride then. Whether or not here's the initial list. We'll see how much I get done.

- Reattach DS window to riser Done
- Lube vent window pivots Done
- Install Brake Drums Done
- Adjust Brakes Done
- Install Radiator Cap Done
- Install Radiator overflow tank Done
- Install new rubber fuel lines Not needed
- Tweek seating of inside lip of windshield gasket at Driver side piller Done
- Install passenger side visor Done
- Install interior rear view mirror and remove modern glass mounted replacment Done
- Fix Passenger side front TS and park lamp
- Fix license plate lamp
- Fix passenger side rear running lamp, dim bulb
- Wash truck
- Clean firewall and inner fenders
- Lube supsension Done
- Lube u-joints
- Oil change with zddp
- Run engine 30 minutes at 2K RPM for cam break in (don't know how this engine was started but with only 200 miles, can't hurt)
- Hard pull engine in 2nd 15 times if tagged/titled in time (seat rings and pistons/cylinder walls)
- Commence 500 miles to another oil/filter change easy run in
- Adjust fan belt
- Check timeing and carb settings hot
- Check coolant sensor and lights, repair as needed

If I get all that done including tags, betcha I get 150 miles between Friday and Monday!

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

A good weekend spent working on trucks. Sat the buyer came over and three of us managed to get the cab with doors off Ol John Lee. Even stripped and with an electric winch it all we had to pull the cab off the rear of the frame and down onto the trailer without doing any damage to sheetmetal or fingers.

Today, I cleared a bunch of my initial punchlist for John Lee Jr. Enough to feel confident the suspension and breaks are now ready for some break in driving.

The DS window had a broken roller on the riser, a new roller and a bit of greese and its working like new. I also lubed the vent window rivits and shafts so I could open the window, it also eliminated the squeeking. I put new rear break drums on and will prolly go back and transfer Ol John Lees shoes and new rear cylinders. I noted the original wheel cylinders on JR and the pistons are starting to break down. So, they need to go soon. I also adjusted the front and rear breaks. The fronts had new shoes and though the drums are original, they were recently turned and new cylinders installed with new front rubber hoses.

Under the hood, I installed Ol John Lees 16 lb radiator cap in place of the incorrect 7 pounder. I also transfered the radiator overflow tank and got it hooked up. A quick warm up and ride showed the brakes working fine w/no pull to the right and the radiator pukeing and drawing from the over flow tank. So, no more popping caps to check water levels. This radiator has some corrosion on the outside, so I spect I'll be transferring Ol John Lees 3 core V8 radiator over to replace this much smaller 2 core original.

There was no need to install new fuel lines as inspection of the papers with the truck shows a new gas tank, new sender, new rubber hoses and new fuel pump was needed for start up after the 18 year sit.

I did tweek the windshield gasket so it now lays flat like it should on the inside. While working in the cab I put in both windshield visors and a repo 1965 rear view mirror to replace the aftermarked/modern glass mounted rear view. Also vacuumed all the mouse turds from under the seat and gas tank.

Underneath I transfered Ol John Lees spanky new exhaust hangers. We had a broken one on Jr. Inspection indicates I need to get a good glass pack and a head pipe made. I also inspected the suspension. Its original, all the ball joints are rivited on top. The lowers look original too. The PS joints are pretty good. The DS lower joint is showing a bit of wear but no where near what Ol John Lee had before his suspension rebuild. So, I'll grab some undamaged suspension components off Ol John Lee and slowely work on installing them when I transfer Ol John Lees new Moog Springs to Jr. I also installed Ol John Lees new shocks, Jrs. were dead. I had to retorque the front upper shock mounts to the frame, they were very loose....good thing I didn't drive it home, prolly woulda egged out the frame holes.

Finally, in the looks department, I adjusted the fit of the hood. The rear was up and forward off the cowl gasket. That was a learning experience. A tiny bit of movement in the hinge pivot makes over 1/4" of movement in the up/down and fwd/back position of the hood. But the back end is down on the cowl gasket and the gap is even all the way across. The hood even latches still! So, I'll call it a success.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Well, its official....I couldn't stand it any more. A full set of Crager Chrome Smoothies with Baby Moons are on the way. I went with near stock size, 15x7 in the 6 on 5.5 with 4 1/8" back spaceing. I think they are do in here in Mid April.

Guess I'll have to finish up the rear brakes and the Dual Master conversion and start vettin out the turn signal/corroded sockets pretty soon.

Re: The Official John Lee Jr Thread
 

Well, it looks like the Cragars are comeing sooner than expected. I didn't figure on shipment prior to 8 April but just got the tracker from Jegs, FEDEX is tracking for delivery tomorrow. Guess I'll have to get these wheels to the shop this week and have a whole new look for John Lee Jr.