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DeanTX 10-05-2015 04:43 PM

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Hi, I've been mostly looking on the site for a while and getting some great ideas.
About a year and a half ago I found a 1951 3100 5 window body and bed for sale. No dents and relatively little rust. Some rust out on passenger and driver floor, and bottom of cab corners, some rust on bottom of lower cowl area. It was what I was looking for since I did not need the engine or frame because I was planning on an S10 frame swap. Having just the body metal saves time to disassemble too. Engine will be Vortec full roller 350, 700R4 tranny.

While storing the body and all other sheet metal I located a Sonoma. It was a 4x4 but after seeing how a 4x4 turned out for Msaintg on here I thought it was a good deal.

Right now I'm thinking of keep the patina vs. painting. Please chime in with your opinion on whether it looks OK as is.

DeanTX 10-05-2015 05:14 PM

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Since the frame was 108.X inch wheelbase, I extended it 8" by cutting and boxing in with 3/16 plates. The frame is on my trailer in this pic.

Advanced Design 10-05-2015 07:52 PM

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Dean, good looking start. I vote patina. Oh yeah, like the project title...like the TV show?

DeanTX 10-05-2015 09:06 PM

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Well it is an AD truck, and it's time to arrest the development of rust and fading where it stands lol.

This project will be slow going since I have no room to do much right now.

DeanTX 10-14-2015 06:43 PM

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I fabbed one of this type of suspension on a previous build. Worked real good.

Got my 3 link rear suspension finished and sorted out. I wanted to be able to use the stock rear sway bar set up too, so I designed around it.
Result is about a 5" drop.

DeanTX 10-14-2015 06:46 PM

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The brown santa came today!

DeanTX 10-15-2015 08:53 PM

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Not much to update. I did install all new bushings and ball joints. Can't believe how huge the lower control arms are on the 4wd S10s.

Since I am converting to 2wd it required cutting the spindles from the front CV joints (same as msaintg did).

joedoh 10-15-2015 09:06 PM

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nice work so far, I like the link setup.

DeanTX 10-15-2015 10:36 PM

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Thanks Joedoh, love your truck!

Welded in gussets to the frame mounting point for the middle link bar. I also taped it off and sprayed it red. All the mounting points I added will be red so it makes it easier to follow what I did (except for the red rear sway bar stuff which is also red). Glad it worked out that I could use the existing cross member. It is plenty strong and needs to be. Pinion angle can be fine tuned by adjusting the heim joint here.

The lower link bars attach the the frame at the same point where the front leaf springs attached. Leaf spring mount was removed and 1/4" thick tabs were welded on. All heims are 5/8".

DeanTX 10-26-2015 09:57 PM

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I knew I had seen another truck on here that had a 3 link rear suspension. Got some ideas from this picture. I forgot whose truck this was.

DeanTX 10-06-2016 11:51 PM

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I started this project thread, then stuff came up and I didn't make much progress for a while. I have done a lot of work the past few months, so time to get this thread caught up. Gonna keep the patina, since it is mostly original paint. The cab was in great shape other than the floors and cab corners. So I cut out the bad areas, bought the panels and welded them in. For the battery cover I made a patch panel and ran a few beads across it. Same with the trans cover....I made a patch panel and bead rolled it, then fabbed up a tranny hump and welded it in.

I wire wheeled the entire bottom and then painted it, then sprayed bed liner to cover the whole bottom of the cab. I did weld in a length of 1x2" tubing across the back of the cab between the rear cab mounts for extra strength and to anchor the middle seat belt attachements.

While I was at it I welded up the gas tank filler hole.

DeanTX 10-07-2016 12:19 AM

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With most of the dirty work (and I do mean dirty) done on rust repair and getting the outside of the cab finished, it was time to focus in the inside of the cab. The dash was in good shape. No one had cut or drilled much on it. I like a smooth looking dash so I made some sheet metal patches and welded up the radio holes. Then I filled, primered, smoothed and painted the dash. I did buy a nice Pioneer radio with bluethooth so I can answer the phone and talk etc. I don't yet know where I will put it but I ran the mic up to the window shade mount area.

With the inside of the cab prep just about done, I sanded and painted all inside surfaces, then put down sound deadener on 100% of the floor, the inside roof, and the area behind the seats. I installed a tilt steering column. I did some measurements for the column around the exhaust manifold area to be sure I had clearance, and I was surprised I was able to mount the column in the original depression in the dash, and have it exit in the original hole in the floor with just minor cutting to raise it about an inch.

DeanTX 10-07-2016 12:32 AM

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Forgot to mention earlier....my plans for this build is for the inside to be "new" while not messing with the original look too much, while the outside is patina. But I do plan to clear coat the patina.

I sent off the radio cover and glove box door to be chrome plated, then painted the horizontal lines in them black. Unlike the original dash, which had the glove box door painted, I like the look of both pieces being the same color for continuity.

I just finished installing Vintage Air in the cab. I did not want the "sure fit" kit made for the AD trucks since I did not want all that ducting below the dash. I have other plans for that space. So I bought a universal kit and fabbed up the fit myself. I installed two vents on the outside of the dash for driver, passenger area. I hated to do it but I had to cut a hole in the bottom of the dash to fit the center vent. I think it will look good anyway.

iowaboynca 10-07-2016 10:18 AM

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Good to see you're still at it.

Keep choppin'

Dan in Pasadena 10-07-2016 11:12 AM

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I likely!

Maybe you can find a small chrome vent out of a 60's car at the junk yard that matches the new chrome you had done a more than the black plastic one. Everything looks good so far!

DeanTX 10-07-2016 11:45 AM

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Good idea Dan. I will likely replace them later if I find some cooler ones. New all metal vents from Trique etc. are like $80 each.

DeanTX 10-07-2016 10:02 PM

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Got the firewall cleaned up. I must have had the cab and front end on and off a half dozen times getting everything checked out and aligned. I got the idea of the lift bracket from a post from Hussey. Worked great.

Truck came with a cool old "Vote" sticker on the back of the cab. Could have been from during the Kennedy-Nixon election! I'm keeping it on there.

DeanTX 10-07-2016 10:21 PM

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Since I did not have a complete donor S10, I needed to figure out what would work as a brake pedal. I found that one from an 80s-90s Jeep Cherokee fits nice. I also cut out an 8"x6" square of 1/4" steel plate to use for strengthening the firewall for the pedal. I just measure for the bolts and center hole of the vacuum canister and drilled to fit it. I bolted it to the firewall with a bolt at each corner, then I bolted the vacuum canister and pedal through it. (I don't know why the picture is turned sideways)

DeanTX 10-07-2016 10:32 PM

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The good thing about this 4x4 frame is that it is fully boxed front to back, and it also comes with big dual caliper front brakes. I did end up using 1" spacers in the back even though I had the wider 4x4 rear. I was able to fit 18x8" wheels on the back without adding wheel tubs. It is tight but it will not rub.

mongocanfly 10-07-2016 11:00 PM

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Coming along nicely..I like that dash also..

DeanTX 10-07-2016 11:08 PM

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For the rear bed wood, I got the idea from 99 to make the whole bed floor removable. This makes sense because there is a lot going on in the rear under the bed - the gas tank with the internal electric fuel pump and wiring for it, the adjustable coilovers, the end link holding the rear end where the pinion angle is adjusted etc.

What I did was order the predrilled bed strips, then painted them to match the patina of the truck. For wood, I got some cheap 80"x 6" x 5/8" cedar planks from Lowes. I think they were like $3.79 each. The surface of the planks were pretty raw, so I spent a lot of time sanding them smooth on one side. Then I made a concoction to darken and weather them to look more like barn wood. If anyone is interested in the recipe for the "weathering" potion let me know. After you apply it, it works in 5 minutes.

I took a router to cut down the edge of each plank 1/4" wide and 1/8' deep to nestle in the bed strips. Then I coated both sides of each plank with marine spar varnish.

When the bed planks were all finished, I layed them in the bed and mocked them up with the metal bed strips. Then from under the bed I determined where I could locate each horizontal brace. The braces were made of 1x2 finished oak for strength. I used four, one on each end and two evenly spaced in the middle. So I drilled holes into the oak braces using the pre-drilled holes in the metal bed strips. This keeps the bed floor all one piece for easy removal.

There are more pre-drilled holes in the metal bed strips, using the factory specs, then you would use up just putting in 4 cross braces. This is what I did with the other holes - I used 1 1/2" fender washers. I welded a nut to the middle of the washer, then inserted the bolt from the bed strip. All of the bolts were at a length that did not protrude past the bottom of the bed wood. Otherwise the bed would not lay flat on the crossmembers because of the bolts. I simply screwed the bolts onto the washers with the nuts facing up, to the inside, where they fit into the cracks between the bed wood planks. This way they help clamp the wood to the strips but are flush with the bottom of the bed.

DeanTX 10-07-2016 11:47 PM

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Running boards - to mount the running boards I borrowed from what I saw on Hussey's project pics (thanks Hussey!). Mine are not quite as elegant, a bit of a shortcut version but they worked out.

One thing I did differently is I used 1x2 square pipe instead of 1x1 only because I had some laying around.

First step - build the first strip, end to end, directly on each running board. This is the best way to gaurantee they fit, because they did!

My running boards for some reason had the mounting metal on the bottoms a bit mangled, so instead of straightening the mangled-ness, I just worked around it. I went to the hardware store and bought some threaded standoffs (they have about a 1/2" base) to weld to the running board for an attachment point for the 1x2s. I welded tabs on the 1x2 and drilled them for each of the six attachment points. Hey no one will see under there, right?

Second step - once the main strip is fitted from end to end, mock up the running board on each side to measure the length from the running board piece to the side of the frame. I sort of split the difference of the running board distance to make the attaching pieces. So I marked the distance and the placement on the running board pieces, then cut the attaching pieces.

Third step - take off the running board long pieces and weld the two frame attachmment pieces to them. Then put the completed piece back on the running board. You now have two running boards with "outriggers" coming out the side. Place the running boards back in place on the truck.

Fourth step - Clamp the attaching pieces to the frame where you already predetermined the fit, then tack weld them to the frame. Now unbolt the running boards from the bracket, which is all left intact on the truck frame. This gives you room to finish welding the frame attached pieces. It also gives you room to weld on some grommets angled to give it more strength to hold the weight of stepping on the running boards.

DeanTX 10-08-2016 12:13 AM

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I had spent the time to refurbish an early sixties GM steering wheel that really went with the look of the truck. The problem was that it was dished, which put it a bit too far into your chest. I had an original flat steering wheel that I let go a while back, so I wished I had it back. I researched the interwebs for a couple of days and found nothing but some Grant sporty muscle car stuff, expensive billet shiny stuff or Euro/Ricer racing stuff that was either to small in diameter or too techy looking for an old truck.

I finally lucked out and found an all metal flat type racing steering wheel made by either Longacre Racing or Joes Racing. For $78 bucks I got a 14" one from Joes. They are intended for dirt track so were not really designed for a horn button. I had to do some minor fab work to make a Grant horn button kit work.

SSABMUD 10-08-2016 11:15 AM

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Nice job! Some great ideas that I may have to borrow. I'm thinking a tilting bed floor would be awesome on my truck. Question, what shocks did you think she on your truck and what are the rates?

SSABMUD 10-08-2016 11:39 AM

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Nice job! Some great ideas that I may have to borrow. I'm thinking a tilting bed floor would be awesome on my truck. Question, what shocks did you think she on your truck and what are the rates?

DeanTX 10-08-2016 12:32 PM

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The rear coilovers? The springs are 250lbs. I went back and forth on the springs because my estimation came up with 250 and I thought it should be more. The rear of these trucks are pretty light. I would not go over 300 if you want the best ride comfort.

SSABMUD 10-08-2016 02:00 PM

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I just read my question and it did not make a lot of sense. Damn auto correct. Anyways you got my drift. Thanks.

DeanTX 10-12-2016 12:01 AM

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Got the engine rebuilt and installed. Used stock cast iron exhaust because it clears the steering column without relocating it. Also, for the lower steering column I replaced the factory S10 rag joint section with a new lower section from a Jeep. It fits if shortened and had a U joint instead of the rag joint. I got the cab and front end back on the frame for the last time. Hood is on just to be sure everything is lined up.

DeanTX 10-12-2016 12:12 AM

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Here is a side view of the back. For the gas fill tube I used a Suburban oval gasket since the tube is angled up. For some reason my iPhone makes the truck look bent from this angle. I promise it is not.

I decided to go with fuel injection since I had the new gas tank and electric fuel pump already installed. It's the FiTech 400hp model, which should be plenty for this engine.

joedoh 10-12-2016 12:12 AM

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haha holy crap, your truck is gorgeous in two pages!

DeanTX 10-12-2016 12:30 AM

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Here is a better angle of the back from the side.

I located a 1951 Texas Truck license plate. I hope the DOT will let me use it when it comes time to register the truck. On a previous project I was able to use a 1966 plate. The bolts holding the plate have LEDs to light the plate at night.

On the bed box, I had the front panel and tailgate sand blasted to bare gray metal. What you see now is the tailgate after I did some painting and rusting etc. to make it match the rest of the truck. I used some of the ideas from Ol' Sarge (Chris Klapp) to "age" it.

DeanTX 10-12-2016 12:43 AM

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Thanks Joedoe, I've been following your threads, lots of good info. The reason it is gorgeous in just two pages is I destroyed my phone about a month ago and lost a lot of project pics, like making the exhaust/muffler, some pics of the engine/tranny in the frame. If you looked at Hussey's exhaust mine is very close, and my engine and serpentine belt set up looks the same too so I really couldn't add much more info anyway.

I thought I was on the home stretch when I got past the dirty nasty work of cutting out and replacing the rusted areas. Now I'm doing the wiring which means integrating EFI and Vintage Air with the new harness. It might be the most time consuming phase, and I like it
the least. It turns out wiring does not go well with my ADHD! For all connections I am both crimping, soldering and heat shrinking each little piece, which is tedious.

joedoh 10-12-2016 12:50 AM

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I thought I was on the home stretch when I got past the dirty nasty work of cutting out and replacing the rusted areas.


been there. I am buying the best metal I can from now on.


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Originally Posted by DeanTX (Post 7739919)
Now I'm doing the wiring which means integrating EFI and Vintage Air with the new harness. It might be the most time consuming phase, and I like it the least. It turns out wiring does not go well with my ADHD!

I like knowing every little thing about a circuit, its purpose, its inputs, its outputs. actually hooking things up is drudgery to me and I will spend more time figuring out a way to make it easier rather than doing the hours of layout
and termination that is nirvana for some. good luck!

oldman3 10-12-2016 08:29 AM

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Truck is looking good, I just installed a FiTech on my ride, will finish up today, and post the outcome on my build thread...Jim

DeanTX 10-12-2016 10:59 AM

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Thanks Oldman. I would love to hear about the FiTech. Let us know the results.

HUSSEY 10-12-2016 12:23 PM

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Truck is looking good. I really like the three link rear set up with panhard bar. I'll have to keep it in mind, I'd like to bag the back of my truck someday and keep going back and forth on what I want to do on the rear.

DeanTX 10-12-2016 05:39 PM

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Thanks Hussey. In the past I had fabbed a 3 link set up on a Cobra replica I built and I really liked the simplicity and handling. Mustangs came from the factory with them from 2005-2012?

Today I installed the gauges for Oil pressure, fuel, Temp, and voltage.
The main two gauges will be a speedometer and tach, so the rest go under the dash. I made a 4 gauge mount out of aluminum, as well as the "Aviator" style bezels.

Now you can see why I had to cut the dash for the center vent. Hard to see but below the gauges is where the AC controls are mounted. I was thinking about fabricating a new base for the AC knobs so that I could fit them behind the ash tray door. I decided it wasn't a priority for now.

mongocanfly 10-12-2016 07:09 PM

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Dean that trucks lookin killer..

av8tr33337 10-13-2016 12:30 AM

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Awesome Build. Im doing a serpentine set up on mine also. Have to take the main brackets in to work on friday so I can bead blast them. Just painted the engine last night. Hope to fire it ups soon. Was a Re-man long block 305 with about 10, 000 miles on it when it was wrecked about 15 years ago. Been sitting in the garage since then. I just pray there are no leaks. Mine is carbed but that FI system looks interesting.

DeanTX 10-13-2016 11:55 AM

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Bartman, thanks for the compliment. I got some good ideas from your "how-to" video. I was tempted to go the LS1 route, and I will on the next project. With this one I got too good of a deal on the motor. Plus these trucks are old school, and it's strange that the SBC has already become old school as well.

The stock serpentine set up is a great fit for AD trucks. Easy to get parts for it if anything fails too.


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