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402Bowtie 02-10-2023 11:19 PM

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I feel like this may be a dumb question, but I will ask anyway.

Is it an anomaly that this original paint, custom deluxe truck doesn't have lower trim?

I have a takeoff tailgate that also only has the upper trim that I've always thought was odd. The truck in the pics is only the second tailgate I've seen with upper trim but no lower trim.

Casper42 02-11-2023 01:10 AM

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I cannot recall another like that. GM was odd with how they fitted out these trucks, adding things or substituting things, or just not using them when other trucks had them. I have a '72 Cheyenne and it has the very lower horizontal one-inch brightwork trim, just below the large woodgrain appliqué, when most Cheyenne's didn't have that.

special-K 02-11-2023 09:04 AM

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No lower tailgate trim on a 2-tone, other than Z84 and YE9, is an anomaly.

42 Casper, I don't know what 1" trim you are talking about. Have any pictures by chance? I have never seen any other trim on the sides of these trucks other than the black or woodgrain accent lower trim and belt trim (upper). What you describe can't be factory, from what I have seen or know.

402Bowtie 02-11-2023 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by special-K (Post 9177420)
No lower tailgate trim on a 2-tone, other than Z84 and YE9, is an anomaly.

42 Casper, I don't know what 1" trim you are talking about. Have any pictures by chance? I have never seen any other trim on the sides of these trucks other than the black or woodgrain accent lower trim and belt trim (upper). What you describe can't be factory, from what I have seen or know.

There have been a few threads related to the tailgate trim configuration that 42Casper is referring to. Here's one thread.



Any more original-paint examples that have a two-tone truck with upper trim, but no lower trim? A SPID or serial number would be interesting too--maybe a plant-specific thing?

I'll get a pic of my takeoff tailgate that has that configuration.

special-K 02-11-2023 12:07 PM

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I thought he mean side trim by the way he described it. So, he means the lower tailgate trim as well as woodgrain tailgate band. I have seen that before. I have had a Cheyenne Super with lower tailgate trim myself. That thread you linked is about K/5s. There are some differences in how those were trimmed and how pickups were.

mr.mud1 02-11-2023 01:43 PM

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i had,years ago,one of the narrow lower trim moldings,NOS but can't recall if i ever had a truck with it from factory.i have a Fremont,Ca built 72 Cheyenne Super with YE9 cheyenne Super on the SPID,the woodgrain band on the tailgate and no lower trim.it was untouched original paint so i know the lower lolding was never there.

Casper42 02-11-2023 02:08 PM

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other than the top tailgate protector, all brightwork is original to 1972

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Originally Posted by special-K (Post 9177420)
No lower tailgate trim on a 2-tone, other than Z84 and YE9, is an anomaly.

42 Casper, I don't know what 1" trim you are talking about. Have any pictures by chance? I have never seen any other trim on the sides of these trucks other than the black or woodgrain accent lower trim and belt trim (upper). What you describe can't be factory, from what I have seen or know.


special-K 02-11-2023 02:23 PM

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^^^ Yeah, I had one like that, too. It's an anomaly as well. I posted that I had misunderstood your post to mean side trim. The one I had was original paint and unaltered for sure. I take it your truck is original paint with nothing changed, too? If I recall correctly, your seat was redone using a Cheyenne Super cover.

Casper42 02-11-2023 02:40 PM

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one paint respray, but these moldings masked off during the project

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Originally Posted by special-K (Post 9177510)
^^^ Yeah, I had one like that, too. It's an anomaly as well. I posted that I had misunderstood your post to mean side trim. The one I had was original paint and unaltered for sure. I take it your truck is original paint with nothing changed, too? If I recall correctly, your seat was redone using a Cheyenne Super cover.


402Bowtie 02-11-2023 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.mud1 (Post 9177497)
i had,years ago,one of the narrow lower trim moldings,NOS but can't recall if i ever had a truck with it from factory.i have a Fremont,Ca built 72 Cheyenne Super with YE9 cheyenne Super on the SPID,the woodgrain band on the tailgate and no lower trim.it was untouched original paint so i know the lower lolding was never there.

Yes, that makes sense. For purposes of this thread, I'm not interested in Cheyennes or Supers--those had the woodgrain band.

My question is related to the lower trim levels--Custom and Custom Deluxe.

I think every Custom Deluxe truck "should" have come with the tailgate upper trim and the thin lower tailgate trim.

Not sure on Custom trim level..maybe if individual trim options were ordered? Here is a Custom with the thin lower tailgate trim.

Here's another custom deluxe I found on the board with no thin lower trim.

special-K 02-11-2023 06:11 PM

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Yep, the Custom Deluxe came with tailgate trim which included lower. Customs came with no trim unless as an option. Then, the tail end trim would be the same as Custom Deluxe. Deluxe 2-tone gave Customs the trim.

71CHEVYSHORTBED402 02-11-2023 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by special-K (Post 9177566)
Yep, the Custom Deluxe came with tailgate trim which included lower. Customs came with no trim unless as an option. Then, the tail end trim would be the same as Custom Deluxe. Deluxe 2-tone gave Customs the trim.

The Custom Deluxe came standard without tail and side trim. The build would have to call for other trim. My truck only had the window trim and paint divider, "standard" paint scheme. In other terms, Z62 calls for window trim and "deluxe" chrome interior short the pedals didn't have trim. Agree, two tone gets all the trim. Seems you meant some Deluxe get the trim.

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Originally Posted by Casper42 (Post 9177501)
other than the top tailgate protector, all brightwork is original to 1972


Stock lower tailgate molding on a Cheyenne huh? Learn something new everyday. By chance is that option on your SPID or build sheet?

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Originally Posted by 402Bowtie (Post 9177366)
I feel like this may be a dumb question, but I will ask anyway.

Is it an anomaly that this original paint, custom deluxe truck doesn't have lower trim?

I have a takeoff tailgate that also only has the upper trim that I've always thought was odd. The truck in the pics is only the second tailgate I've seen with upper trim but no lower trim.

Seems to me the factory missed it or something has been altered, such as a replacement gate or paint scheme.

402Bowtie 02-11-2023 08:54 PM

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Here's my '71 takeoff tailgate. Also missing the thin lower trim.

71CHEVYSHORTBED402 02-12-2023 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 402Bowtie (Post 9177609)
Here's my '71 takeoff tailgate. Also missing the thin lower trim.

Interesting. Hmm. I wonder why.

Perhaps it was common for an assembly to prep the tail gates for "deluxe" or Cheyenne, and it was up to the line to install this or that, who didn't because they were high:smoke:

That said, both tailgate examples in this thread have painted:chevy:....Is the :chevy: generally the base color behind:chevy: woodgrain bands?

special-K 02-13-2023 08:39 AM

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Do you mean are the letters painted behind the woodgrain band? The answer is no, that area was painted all one color.

On Casper42's tailgate, I'm not sure that lower trim wasn't added at some point. It shows as being masked before the repaint, but that could mean the trim was added, then the truck was painted. The P.O. also added chrome bumpers at some point. A lot of things can happen in 50 years. Some trucks got a heap of changes while some may have been kept original except for an accent or two, often the addition of GM trim that was not original to the truck. I had a '78 Scottsdale 30 that I added the Silverado trim on the grille to and added door pouches I bought at the dealership. I can see people now, 30+ years later, pointing those items out as an odd exception from factory

71CHEVYSHORTBED402 02-13-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by special-K (Post 9178030)
Do you mean are the letters painted behind the woodgrain band? The answer is no, that area was painted all one color.

On Casper42's tailgate, I'm not sure that lower trim wasn't added at some point. It shows as being masked before the repaint, but that could mean the trim was added, then the truck was painted. The P.O. also added chrome bumpers at some point. A lot of things can happen in 50 years. Some trucks got a heap of changes while some may have been kept original except for an accent or two, often the addition of GM trim that was not original to the truck. I had a '78 Scottsdale 30 that I added the Silverado trim on the grille to and added door pouches I bought at the dealership. I can see people now, 30+ years later, pointing those items out as an odd exception from factory

Yep, that's what I meant. My 72 Super has a molding along it's hood center, front to back. Factory?:lol: Nah.

402Bowtie 09-20-2023 06:32 PM

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Here's a low-mileage example of a '72 Custom without the lower tailgate trim despite being a two-tone truck.

71CHEVYSHORTBED402 09-20-2023 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper42 (Post 9177501)
other than the top tailgate protector, all brightwork is original to 1972

Glad I was reminded this thread, I had to correct a detail elsewhere. Casper, your rear-end is beautiful, pun not intended. I generally prefer without a band, but with that color and lower molding it POPS.

Casper42 09-20-2023 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by special-K (Post 9178030)
On Casper42's tailgate, I'm not sure that lower trim wasn't added at some point. It shows as being masked before the repaint, but that could mean the trim was added, then the truck was painted.

Though ANYTHING is possible, this is HIGHLY unlikely. If someone replaced all or most of the moldings, then perhaps the lower was added. But none of my moldings have been replaced that I can tell. I know the owner who had it in their family for 40 years, had it repainted and they report it was simply a respray

Already Gone 09-20-2023 07:40 PM

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My 72 Custom/Deluxe has the lower molding..

402Bowtie 09-20-2023 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Already Gone (Post 9242956)
My 72 Custom/Deluxe has the lower molding..

Yep, which that is typical. With this thread I'm trying to document examples of Custom Deluxe and two-tone Custom trucks without lower trim. I'm curious if there might be a pattern... Color dependent, plant dependent, or maybe more likely--completely random.

jocko 09-20-2023 08:59 PM

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Interesting thread John. I sure don't know the right answer - but, I "thought" the lower tailgate trim came from the factory only on a Custom Deluxe with solid lower body paint -or- on a Custom with solid lower body paint with RPOs BX2 and/or B85 ordered.
(by solid "lower" body paint, I mean any paint scheme other then the deluxe two tone)
Casper's is the only Cheyenne or Cheyenne Super I've ever seen with lower tailgate trim.

KQQL IT 09-20-2023 11:06 PM

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I thought I read it was a k5 option

Casper42 09-20-2023 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jocko (Post 9242979)
Casper's is the only Cheyenne or Cheyenne Super I've ever seen with lower tailgate trim.

I've seen a good share of the lower trim on this trim level over the years, not giving it much thought as I have seen soo many inconsistencies between factory builds, based on many factors - most seem to be the assembly plant.

jocko 09-20-2023 11:17 PM

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KQQL IT, I don't think it's an option for anyone - I'm not aware of an RPO for lower tailgate trim on a truck or Blazer.

It came on some K5s and it came on some trucks (the link John shared above is for a lengthy discussion on K5 lower tailgate trim).
Not sure the same logic applied to trucks and Blazers though.
I think the question trying to be answered here and in the K5 thread is 'what combo of trim levels, paint schemes, etc prompted the factory to include it as a matter of course' - or, put another way, 'when was it automatically included?'

402Bowtie 09-21-2023 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jocko (Post 9242979)
Interesting thread John. I sure don't know the right answer - but, I "thought" the lower tailgate trim came from the factory only on a Custom Deluxe with solid lower body paint -or- on a Custom with solid lower body paint with RPOs BX2 and/or B85 ordered.
(by solid "lower" body paint, I mean any paint scheme other then the deluxe two tone)
Casper's is the only Cheyenne or Cheyenne Super I've ever seen with lower tailgate trim.

As SS Tim once mentioned, I think Custom Deluxe trucks "should" have both upper and lower tailgate trim (not the woodgrain band) from the factory regardless of paint scheme.

Seems like there are a small percentage of trucks that are the exception to the rule.

cericd 09-21-2023 02:32 PM

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Not sure if this is relevant to your search but I'll let you decide.

When I first got my truck, a very low optioned C/10, back in 2012, I had plans of turning it into a higher trim level truck. One of the things I wanted to add was the tailgate band. While doing research I noticed that most of the trucks with a band did not have the lower tailgate trim. My truck came with the lower trim and I didn't like the look of the band with lower trim, especially since it seemed like it would be a dead giveaway that I had added the band. That may have been the beginning of my decision to keep the look of my truck as low optioned C/10.

I've looked through the forum and there seems to be several threads dedicated to the lower tailgate trim and the one thing they all havein common is confusion. Here is a statement made by one of our longtime members special-K that may shed some light on things,

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Originally Posted by special-K (Post 2772879)
69/70 Customs and 71/72 CustomDeluxes got it.All of them.
A 69/70 C got it with the side moulding and 71/72 Customs did,too.

My truck is a 70 C/10 St Louis build with the 4BX2AG BODY SIDE MOULDING- option listed on the SPID and it has the lower tailgate trim.

402Bowtie 09-21-2023 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cericd (Post 9243206)
Not sure if this is relevant to your search but I'll let you decide.

When I first got my truck, a very low optioned C/10, back in 2012, I had plans of turning it into a higher trim level truck. One of the things I wanted to add was the tailgate band. While doing research I noticed that most of the trucks with a band did not have the lower tailgate trim. My truck came with the lower trim and I didn't like the look of the band with lower trim, especially since it seemed like it would be a dead giveaway that I had added the band. That may have been the beginning of my decision to keep the look of my truck as low optioned C/10.

I've looked through the forum and there seems to be several threads dedicated to the lower tailgate trim and the one thing they all havein common is confusion. Here is a statement made by one of our longtime members special-K that may shed some light on things,



My truck is a 70 C/10 St Louis build with the 4BX2AG BODY SIDE MOULDING- option listed on the SPID and it has the lower tailgate trim.

Yep, special-K is right and your truck seems to match the "rule." Still it is interesting to me that there are a few trucks out there that are the exception to the rule.

cericd 09-21-2023 05:00 PM

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Yeah, it seems the more you dig into these trucks the more exceptions to the rule you find. According to the "rules," my base level C/10 shouldn't have any type of emblem on the exterior of the glovebox door but it does. I don't believe the previous owner would've added it since at some point he or his father was a smoker and they didn't bother to add a cigarette lighter as is evident by the truck still having its lighter delete plug.

Here's a thread about a base level '69 C/10 that also has a Chevrolet/Custom glovebox emblem. I tried reaching out to the owner to see if it's a St Louis build like mine but haven't heard back.

tim71 09-21-2023 08:05 PM

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My Fremont built 71 K1500 Custom (with option Z62) has the lower trim. I don’t know build process or when trim is installed, but could it be possible that occasionally a wrong tailgate (no holes for lower trim) was installed and assemblers chose to not correct the mistake?

402Bowtie 09-21-2023 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tim71 (Post 9243259)
My Fremont built 71 K1500 Custom (with option Z62) has the lower trim. I don’t know build process or when trim is installed, but could it be possible that occasionally a wrong tailgate (no holes for lower trim) was installed and assemblers chose to not correct the mistake?

I wonder if holes were drilled/punched before paint? Or was it possible that woodgrain tailgate band holes were drilled after paint? If the latter is at least true, maybe they stole from the woodgrain tailgate pile on a few builds and just "called it good" with the upper trim only?


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