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CAMAROBOY68SS 02-28-2025 09:20 PM

67 CST Review Mirror Question
 
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Just picked up a pretty original and complete 67 CST and the rear view mirror is puzzling me as I have never seen this arm before with a truck, but I have never dealt with alot of the 1 year only stuff on a 67. Is this something 67's had or is this a mirror someone added at some point?

67swb72klb 02-28-2025 09:32 PM

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Original 67 mirror as far as I know..

LockDoc 02-28-2025 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 67swb72klb (Post 9372119)
Original 67 mirror as far as I know..


Yes it is....

too much stuff 03-01-2025 10:37 AM

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Looks correct to me. Remember the mirror was still an option in 67. Not sure if it was part of the CST option however.

67 twins 03-01-2025 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by too much stuff (Post 9372174)
Looks correct to me. Remember the mirror was still an option in 67. Not sure if it was part of the CST option however.

Rear view mirror was in fact standard in 67.

1970cstblazer 03-01-2025 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 67 twins (Post 9372193)
Rear view mirror was in fact standard in 67.

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Verified here..

https://www.gm.com/content/dam/compa...olet-Truck.pdf

72c20customcamper 03-01-2025 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 67 twins (Post 9372193)
Rear view mirror was in fact standard in 67.

On the cst correct ? My 68 had no mirror or holes where a mirror had been . My other 68 is a custom and again no holes or mirror . Someone did put a later glue on rear view mirror at some point

67 twins 03-01-2025 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper (Post 9372197)
On the cst correct ? My 68 had no mirror or holes where a mirror had been . My other 68 is a custom and again no holes or mirror . Someone did put a later glue on rear view mirror at some point

On all trim levels

FirstOwner69 03-01-2025 02:40 PM

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My early production '69 CST 20 which I bought new did not have an inside mirror. I think the salesman told me the 20s and 30s did not have them. They may have been added later in the year though.

too much stuff 03-01-2025 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstOwner69 (Post 9372210)
My early production '69 CST 20 which I bought new did not have an inside mirror. I think the salesman told me the 20s and 30s did not have them. They may have been added later in the year though.

This would make sense. I was pretty sure the mirror became standard in 69. Maybe all the 1/2 tons had them and optional on 3/4 and up trucks before 69.

Steeveedee 03-01-2025 07:01 PM

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According to the 1969 data book, the 1/2T trucks were so equipped. But that book doesn't discuss the 3/4T and up.

The link 1970cstblazer posted is for'67 and says that all 1/2T (p20) and 3/4T (p43) Stepside and Fleetside trucks came with three mirrors. But Suburbans did not come standard with inside rear view mirrors.

67C10Step 03-01-2025 09:11 PM

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Looks just like the rear view in my 67 custom cab.

67 twins 03-02-2025 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Steeveedee (Post 9372252)
According to the 1969 data book, the 1/2T trucks were so equipped. But that book doesn't discuss the 3/4T and up.

The link 1970cstblazer posted is for'67 and says that all 1/2T (p20) and 3/4T (p43) Stepside and Fleetside trucks came with three mirrors. But Suburbans did not come standard with inside rear view mirrors.

No it doesn't. It shows pickups got two mirrors standard. A left hand mirror & a rearview.

Steeveedee 03-02-2025 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 67 twins (Post 9372324)
No it doesn't. It shows pickups got two mirrors standard. A left hand mirror & a rearview.

Oops. Reading comprehension fail on my part. You are right.

72c20customcamper 03-02-2025 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 67 twins (Post 9372206)
On all trim levels

I don’t think that’s correct . Both of my trucks were 100% original with no rear view mirrors . Weren’t the rear views all screwed into the roof panel at the time ? Again neither of my trucks had mirrors and no holes where the mirror would have been .

It has come up often on this site
https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=569370
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=695338

My 68 c10 Golden 100% original vehicle. Don’t have pictures of my other 68 but I installed a rear view in it .

67 twins 03-02-2025 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper (Post 9372362)
I don’t think that’s correct . Both of my trucks were 100% original with no rear view mirrors . Weren’t the rear views all screwed into the roof panel at the time ? Again neither of my trucks had mirrors and no holes where the mirror would have been .

It has come up often on this site
https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=569370
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=695338

Well if you look at the 67 data book linked above that is what it says. If you look at my signature the wife & I have three 67s all base models. All have that same mirror, no mirrors listed on the SPID. Pretty damn sure it's correct. Don't know how mirror was mounted in later years. Of note it does say that cab & chassis & stake models don't have an inside mirror
Also in your linked threads there is only one response from someone with a 67 & he states that his truck has a mirror

72c20customcamper 03-02-2025 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 67 twins (Post 9372206)
On all trim levels

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Originally Posted by 67 twins (Post 9372378)
Well if you look at the 67 data book linked above that is what it says. If you look at my signature the wife & I have three 67s all base models. All have that same mirror, no mirrors listed on the SPID. Pretty damn sure it's correct. Don't know how mirror was mounted in later years. Of note it does say that cab & chassis & stake models don't have an inside mirror
Also in your linked threads there is only one response from someone with a 67 & he states that his truck has a mirror

Why would GM make a rear view mirror standard on a 67 and then make it an option in later years ?

NGN 03-02-2025 11:48 AM

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Both of the plain Jane 67 Chevy trucks we have, have the same mirror bracket your showing. I thought there was also a chrome mirror bracket package or option with the CST. My sons 67 GMC 1 ton dump truck, plian Jane, has no mirror no mount holes or dimples for that matter. There are dimples to place the screws for the optional passenger sun visor.

NGN
Nick

LockDoc 03-02-2025 11:50 AM

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It's pretty obvious to me that some had them and some didn't. It could be as simple as what assembly plant they came from.... It is also pretty obvious that any '67 that doesn't have any holes above the windshield didn't come with a rear view mirror, since that was the only place they were installed in '67.....

Just my 2¢ worth.
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72c20customcamper 03-02-2025 11:58 AM

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GM did do some weird stuff factory to factory . My 66 SS Chevelle was original paint when I bought it in 1984 ugly Aztec Gold . The rear taillight panel was not painted black . Come to find out the Atlanta plant where my car was built did do very early SS cars with the panel blacked out but due to it slowing down the line it was abandoned. My car is an early car as it has the 5 hole hood the later cars had 3 holes . Guess it wasn’t early enough to get the blackout .

Also learned that some dealers were adding the blackout because people complained that the sales brochure showed it . Guys with way more knowledge of these say you can tell if it was factory or dealer by the tape lines . Most dealers didnt remove the trim specially the trim around the tailights .

1970cstblazer 03-02-2025 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper (Post 9372382)
Why would GM make a rear view mirror standard on a 67 and then make it an option in later years ?

That is exactly what occurred for 1968. If you look at the 1968 data book, only the exterior fixed arm mirrors were standard equipment. The inside rearview mirror was optional. The RPO code was D36.

In 1969, the inside rearview mirror along with the LH&RH fixed arm mirrors were standard.

https://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vbo...1&d=1204975094

https://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vbo...1&d=1262816391

https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...9&d=1266763967

67 twins 03-02-2025 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NGN (Post 9372384)
Both of the plain Jane 67 Chevy trucks we have, have the same mirror bracket your showing. I thought there was also a chrome mirror bracket package or option with the CST. My sons 67 GMC 1 ton dump truck, plian Jane, has no mirror no mount holes or dimples for that matter. There are dimples to place the screws for the optional passenger sun visor.

NGN
Nick

A dump truck would have left the factory as a cab & chassis therfore no inside mirror. My comments are only in regards to pickup trucks.

67 twins 03-02-2025 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper (Post 9372382)
Why would GM make a rear view mirror standard on a 67 and then make it an option in later years ?

To make more money same reason manufacturers do it today? Really I don't know but the data book clearly shows that all 67 pickups should have an inside mirror.

67 twins 03-02-2025 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LockDoc (Post 9372386)
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It's pretty obvious to me that some had them and some didn't. It could be as simple as what assembly plant they came from.... It is also pretty obvious that any '67 that doesn't have any holes above the windshield didn't come with a rear view mirror, since that was the only place they were installed in '67.....

Just my 2¢ worth.
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The data book clearly shows that all 67 pickups SHOULD have an inside mirror.

67 twins 03-02-2025 02:43 PM

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OK can anyone show a 67 with a pickup VIN number that obviously has never had an inside mirror. Again only with a VIN from a pickup

72c20customcamper 03-02-2025 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 1970cstblazer (Post 9372397)
That is exactly what occurred for 1968. If you look at the 1968 data book, only the exterior fixed arm mirrors were standard equipment. The inside rearview mirror was optional. The RPO code was D36.

In 1969, the inside rearview mirror along with the LH&RH fixed arm mirrors were standard.

https://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vbo...1&d=1204975094

https://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vbo...1&d=1262816391

https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...9&d=1266763967

Wasn’t D36 option the non glare day/night rear view mirror? Not the standard mirror .

1970cstblazer 03-02-2025 03:17 PM

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There is zero mention of the day/night feature in the data book dated 2/1/68. This is the nomenclature from that 1968 data book:

All it states for D36 is prismatic non-glare shatterproof.

LockDoc 03-02-2025 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1970cstblazer (Post 9372431)
There is zero mention of the day/night feature in the data book dated 2/1/68. This is the nomenclature from that 1968 data book:

All it states for D36 is prismatic non-glare shatterproof.


A prismatic mirror is a day/night mirror. It has a prism in it which gives it the day/night feature.
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72c20customcamper 03-02-2025 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LockDoc (Post 9372435)
A prismatic mirror is a day/night mirror. It has a prism in it which gives it the day/night feature.
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I thought that also

67 twins 03-03-2025 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LockDoc (Post 9372435)
A prismatic mirror is a day/night mirror. It has a prism in it which gives it the day/night feature.
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Not exactly. I wish I knew how to link to an article here but I don't.

When you flip the mirror to night you are seeing a reflection off the front of the glass instead of the silvered back. Just like you can see a reflection in a window pane.

LockDoc 03-03-2025 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 67 twins (Post 9372580)
Not exactly. I wish I knew how to link to an article here but I don't.

When you flip the mirror to night you are seeing a reflection off the front of the glass instead of the silvered back. Just like you can see a reflection in a window pane.


Yes, but the reason you are seeing that is because the glass is a prism. Take one apart. The glass is not flat, it is tapered top to bottom. Trust me, A day/night mirror is a prismatic mirror....
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HO455 03-03-2025 06:12 PM

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So it appears from the information in this thread that the mirror in my 67 Burban isn't a factory mirror. Any idea what it's out of?

One possibility that hasn't been mentioned for trucks without a inside mirror is that it is possible that a truck could have been ordered with the mirror shipped for dealer installation. Maybe for owners who were planning on installing a camper. I've seen cases like that on other GM vehicles. If so that would only show up on the dealers paperwork not the SPID.

1970cstblazer 03-03-2025 06:29 PM

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If the mirror has Guide stamped in the metal it is real. Sure looks legit.

dagnabbitt 03-03-2025 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 1970cstblazer (Post 9372741)
If the mirror has Guide stamped in the metal it is real. Sure looks legit.

This is a really interesting topic.

I can't recall ever seeing one of our trucks without a rearview mirror in it. Of course, mine are all from Oshawa. Perhaps the "Mandatory Canadian Equipment" on the SPID isn't just a block heater, after all..

72c20customcamper 03-03-2025 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dagnabbitt (Post 9372760)
This is a really interesting topic.

I can't recall ever seeing one of our trucks without a rearview mirror in it. Of course, mine are all from Oshawa. Perhaps the "Mandatory Canadian Equipment" on the SPID isn't just a block heater, after all..

Even states here have different rules . Back in the day Studebaker couldn’t ship Avanti’s into NY with factory stock glass pack mufflers and you couldn’t get sidepipes on Corvettes or the AMX because NY law didn’t allow glass packs or exhaust the exited before the rear wheels . Dealers used to install them after the car was sold . Both laws are still on the books here .

too much stuff 03-04-2025 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HO455 (Post 9372734)
So it appears from the information in this thread that the mirror in my 67 Burban isn't a factory mirror. Any idea what it's out of?

One possibility that hasn't been mentioned for trucks without a inside mirror is that it is possible that a truck could have been ordered with the mirror shipped for dealer installation. Maybe for owners who were planning on installing a camper. I've seen cases like that on other GM vehicles. If so that would only show up on the dealers paperwork not the SPID.

I have seen that style quite often in 68 models.

LockDoc 03-04-2025 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HO455 (Post 9372734)
So it appears from the information in this thread that the mirror in my 67 Burban isn't a factory mirror. Any idea what it's out of?

One possibility that hasn't been mentioned for trucks without a inside mirror is that it is possible that a truck could have been ordered with the mirror shipped for dealer installation. Maybe for owners who were planning on installing a camper. I've seen cases like that on other GM vehicles. If so that would only show up on the dealers paperwork not the SPID.


Those are a carryover from the earlier trucks. (before '67, and at least back to '64)

https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...ar+view+mirror

My unmolested '68 CST/Custom Camper truck had one like that.
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TonyM 03-04-2025 04:45 PM

I have the exact same one in my 67 GMC CST

mojavetrucker 03-21-2025 08:33 PM

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Long time lurker...now a new member with a 67 K10 CST. My truck is missing the mirror, but there is an outline of a mirror having been mounted and the triangle hole pattern is on 2" centers. The outline and the holes both match the 3768785/988173 mirror that was used on 60-66 trucks. There's even some residual black on the outline and I believe these mirror brackets also came in black.

Whether or not it was factory or dealer installed...or black, I guess I'll never know.

There is no mention of a mirror on my SPID.

After spending too much time on GMPartsWiki it appears that mirror bracket 988173 was removed in 10/67. The screws (part #565842) for the 3768785/988173 bracket were used from 60-67.

Has anyone here ever seen a black one mounted in a truck?

Thanks!

1970cstblazer 03-21-2025 10:18 PM

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I have seen the black brackets in 1967's.


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