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C20-67_N_MO 10-16-2009 10:49 PM

TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Okay how expensive would a well built 700r4 be vs. the old trusty TH350 with a 3000 stall converter?

Seems like the TH 350 would be WAY cheaper to build than the overdrive tranny.

Any thoughts?

I will be using a solid lifter camshaft so yes I need a 3k stall.

And thinking the 700r4 would just cost way too much for my setup.

Am I wrong?

Thanks!

toms84ss 10-16-2009 11:16 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
700R4 would be about twice as much to build. Depending on how much highway driving you might do it could be worth the investment.

C20-67_N_MO 10-17-2009 07:48 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toms84ss (Post 3572377)
700R4 would be about twice as much to build. Depending on how much highway driving you might do it could be worth the investment.

Yup.

This will be no trailer queen.

So yeah that is why I am considering the 700r4.

Now I just need to hear from folks that have one that can handle 425-450+ hp at the rear wheels.

toms84ss 10-17-2009 11:55 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Check out Bow tie Overdrives. They have several 700R4 options to choose from and their TV cable system is pretty cool. I have a level 2 700R4 and have been happy with it. But its behind a ZZ4 small block with only 350HP at the flywheel.

C20-67_N_MO 10-17-2009 12:55 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toms84ss (Post 3572861)
Check out Bow tie Overdrives. They have several 700R4 options to choose from and their TV cable system is pretty cool. I have a level 2 700R4 and have been happy with it. But its behind a ZZ4 small block with only 350HP at the flywheel.

I might have to do that.

But for me I would rather have a buddy rebuild one with good quality parts.

Thanks for the reply.

DubDubU 10-17-2009 04:04 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Check out Transmissions To Go, in Arnold MO. They build alot of stuff for the local racers and rodders. Imho,2nd gear kinda sucks in a 700 r4 cuz 1st is kinda low.

C20-67_N_MO 10-17-2009 04:45 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DubDubU (Post 3573103)
Check out Transmissions To Go, in Arnold MO. They build alot of stuff for the local racers and rodders. Imho,2nd gear kinda sucks in a 700 r4 cuz 1st is kinda low.

I totally agree with your comment about 1st gear being low.

But I know nothing about 2nd. :smoke:

Yeah I've had dealing with Transmissions to Go, very good folks there.

Thanks for reminding me! :metal:

PhilaTruck 10-17-2009 11:16 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
If you want OD, go 4L80E. Just like the TH350, the 700r4 got better as they engineered out the weaknesses.

Here's one listed in SL craigslist. Don't know if that's your area of MO, but that's the city I think of as the gateway west.

Marv D 10-18-2009 12:39 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Here ya go
http://www.jakesperformance.com/700-R4_and_4L60E.html

Jake is even a member here. I've got one of his 700r4s in my Camino. Once I got the lockup setup the way I wanted,, simply love it.

phipp13 10-18-2009 02:06 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
I've read bowtie overdrives is not customer friendly. After they got your $$$$ google them up and look at what customers have said. I'VE GOT A 700R4 FROM PHOENIX PERFORMANCE IN WEATHERFORD TX. ALMOST 2K BUT WORTH EVERY PENNY!! GOOD TO 550 HP AND 500 FTLBTQ. IT'S THE 700R4 SS TRANS

C20-67_N_MO 10-18-2009 08:27 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilaTruck (Post 3573699)
If you want OD, go 4L80E. Just like the TH350, the 700r4 got better as they engineered out the weaknesses.

But isn't the 4L80E Computer controlled?
And I honestly do not think it will handle the abuse my motor will throw at it!

Here's one listed in SL craigslist. Don't know if that's your area of MO, but that's the city I think of as the gateway west.

WOW!

I appreciate the effort.

Will check it out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marv D (Post 3573811)
Here ya go
http://www.jakesperformance.com/700-R4_and_4L60E.html

Jake is even a member here. I've got one of his 700r4s in my Camino. Once I got the lockup setup the way I wanted,, simply love it.

Nice!

I do not mind supporting members here on the board whatsoever!

Quote:

Originally Posted by phipp13 (Post 3573889)
I've read bowtie overdrives is not customer friendly. After they got your $$$$ google them up and look at what customers have said. I'VE GOT A 700R4 FROM PHOENIX PERFORMANCE IN WEATHERFORD TX. ALMOST 2K BUT WORTH EVERY PENNY!! GOOD TO 550 HP AND 500 FTLBTQ. IT'S THE 700R4 SS TRANS

Yeah I am still thinking 700r4 is the best route to take.

Thanks everyone for the awesome responses!

-Scott-

PhilaTruck 10-18-2009 10:39 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Hey Scott, I was wrong. The 80e was based on the th400. It was the 60e that came from the 700r4. Don't forget Marv's lockup recipe. Good stuff.

Thanks for that Jakes link & the lockup info (from previous thread), Marv-

-Todd

C20-67_N_MO 10-18-2009 01:36 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Todd,

Okay thanks for the info.

Will checkout the site on lockups as well.

have a good one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilaTruck (Post 3574109)
Hey Scott, I was wrong. The 80e was based on the th400. It was the 60e that came from the 700r4. Don't forget Marv's lockup recipe. Good stuff.

Thanks for that Jakes link & the lockup info (from previous thread), Marv-

-Todd


Wild83C10 10-18-2009 03:20 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
I had no problems with bow tie overdrive. I had one behind a 420 hp 350. It took a beating and kept on going. I had no problem with their customer service, they helped me setup the TV cable, but that was 10 years ago.

Don't forget about the 200R4, better gear ratios and can handle just as much.

james colbert 10-18-2009 05:32 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
I have a built 700 with a BTE 4000 Nitrous convertor with 456 gears. I lock it up a run 80 all day on the interstate

hotrod 80 10-18-2009 06:52 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
I googled the Phone number on the Jakshoe link and he has a Craigslist ad with 2004r's for $1000 . 3 of them at this price .

djracer 10-18-2009 10:24 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
If your pockets are fat TCI is making a 4l80 shift like a 6 speed.

C20-67_N_MO 10-19-2009 06:07 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hotrod 80 (Post 3574742)
I googled the Phone number on the Jakshoe link and he has a Craigslist ad with 2004r's for $1000 . 3 of them at this price .

Please tell me more!

Quote:

Originally Posted by djracer (Post 3575183)
If your pockets are fat TCI is making a 4l80 shift like a 6 speed.

Negative.

I am so poor (at the moment) I can hardly pay attention.

But that sounds like a nice setup.

james colbert 10-19-2009 09:38 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Well do like my buddy did, buy the manual on whatever tranny you want and then build it yourself. I did my first 700r that way. But I had alot of his tools to use also.

gchemist 10-20-2009 12:22 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/69/169...3WXkthC_th.jpg
Mine was build by a local builder. ~$2200 in parts. I can beat on it all day. Shifts greats and drives like a beast.

If I bought one off the shelf, I would checkout this place.
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/highperflist.htm

Mine is between a Leve 3 and 4.

Rodms 10-20-2009 01:26 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by djracer (Post 3575183)
If your pockets are fat TCI is making a 4l80 shift like a 6 speed.

DJ, Kenny at PTC will build whatever you want!Or call BTE and see what they go,Heck they are selling glide with brake;bracket trans for 895.00

hotrod 80 10-21-2009 06:39 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Here are a couple of links to stuff he has on Craigslist Dallas .
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423691772.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423693019.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423689659.html

djracer 10-21-2009 08:18 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodms (Post 3576436)
DJ, Kenny at PTC will build whatever you want!Or call BTE and see what they go,Heck they are selling glide with brake;bracket trans for 895.00


Kenny @ PTC just redid my glide for the extra power and is gonna trade in my convertor for my new needs. Those guys are great but the 6 speed 4l80 is brand new and I don't think anyone but TCI is doing them yet. My buddie is head of the R&D department there.

C20-67_N_MO 10-25-2009 11:41 PM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild83C10 (Post 3574485)
I had no problems with bow tie overdrive. I had one behind a 420 hp 350. It took a beating and kept on going. I had no problem with their customer service, they helped me setup the TV cable, but that was 10 years ago.

I will be pushing well over 450hp with my setup.

I have a powerglide I could go with but would rather not.

Don't forget about the 200R4, better gear ratios and can handle just as much.

I agree!

But finding a good 3k stall converter for it is gonna be tough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by james colbert (Post 3574621)
I have a built 700 with a BTE 4000 Nitrous convertor with 456 gears. I lock it up a run 80 all day on the interstate

At what RPM range?



Quote:

Originally Posted by hotrod 80 (Post 3574742)
I googled the Phone number on the Jakshoe link and he has a Craigslist ad with 2004r's for $1000 . 3 of them at this price .

Yeah but they still need to rebuilt to handle the hp.


Quote:

Originally Posted by djracer (Post 3578533)
Kenny @ PTC just redid my glide for the extra power and is gonna trade in my convertor for my new needs. Those guys are great but the 6 speed 4l80 is brand new and I don't think anyone but TCI is doing them yet. My buddie is head of the R&D department there.

Then tell him to cut us a deal here on the board! :mm:

fiddy9apache 10-26-2009 11:04 AM

Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4
 
if you go with a 4l604 or 80e you can use a bauwman controller and make your own shift maps and control line pressure, its a stand alone unit so you can put that trans in anything you want.


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