Finally found a tranny / t-case combo
 

As alot of you know, I've been looking for a combo to put in my truck. I looked at many setups, some had NP203's instead of the 205's I was told they had. Some were just too far away for me to warrant the drive or shipping expenses. Well, I found a combo in a local "want ad" publication in my area. A 4spd and NP205 combo. I gave the guy his asking price of $200 (I didn't even try to get it cheaper) loaded it up and off I went. Couldn't be happier. It was about a 45 minute drive from where I live, well worth the wait.

Here it is in the condition I bought it. Over the next week or so, I'll check it all out (maybe kit the 205) and give it a snazzy paint job like ljbear's.

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Nice purchase!

Good find,good price...

Good deal Pont! You should have it all ready for Springfield......:)

$200 DOLLARS???????? HE SHOOTS HE SCORES!!!!!!!
Were you looking over your shoulder on the way home?

Congrats! Doesn't look like you have too much cleaning up to do. When I cleaned up my 4 speed I did some scraping and then oven cleaner. Really cleaned it up nicely. You ought to go ahead and get the seals to replace the old ones on the SM465. I'd even go ahead and put in new gaskets. Pretty simple to do and pretty cheap. Give you a good reason to pull the lid on the 4 speed to make sure she is in good shape.

Pont,

That's a great find, you done good. When you start working on it make sure to split the two and check the coupler beteween the Trans and T/C. Whan I pulled mine out the coupler was pretty dry, no lubricant. The guy that built my other tranny said that the couplers on those have a tendency to dry and wear the splines on the shafts. The guy I sold my 465 to bought the tranny for the output and coupler, his was one that got wiped out.

Larry:bowtie:

Thanks guys, I'm happy with the purchase. The guy I bought it from had it in his 69 Chevy 3/4 ton (it was a rolling chassis and body when I went to pick up this combo, he just sold it for $2000). Then he had this combo installed in his 80 Blazer, 8" Superlift with 38's under it. According to him, he swapped it out for an auto setup. He said that this combo worked great when he pulled it out, no bad syncros, no shifter rattle, worked perfect, blah blah blah. I'll tear it down just to make sure, look things over really good before I put it in the truck.

Mudder, LOL, I'll get on it right away so I can make Springfield :D , Springfield, Oregon is just south of Eugene, about 2 hours north of me! I'll bet that's not what you meant........

686970, yep, did lots of looking over my shoulder on the way home.

Yukon, I know you had a coupler made for your Rockwell but are you interested in a backup when I get my old one pulled? Let me know. Anything special I should know or look for when pulling the top off this tranny? This is a first for me.........

ljbear, I'll split the two and look for a dry coupler. When I split it, what are your recommendations for preventing this dry tendency? Axle grease on the coupler for the splines or just lube it up with gear oil? This is my first time splitting a case and tranny and first time looking into either one of these items. I've rebuilt many engines, axles and other misc stuff but never been into a tranny / t-case combo.

Thanks guys..........

Great tranny and transfer case combo! Run it in one of my trucks :D

You can use extreme pressure grease with tackifier for the coupling.

Joe

Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to go ahead and get the coupler from you - just as insurance.

I know on the Rockwell I was told to be careful when pulling one of the covers as it might let something go inside, but as far as the SM465, I don't think you have anything to be watchful of when you pull the top cover. I believe it must be half way in reverse to pull the cover.

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Pont;

that should work well in you truck. I noticed that tag on transfercase sayes 78 too. (newer stuff). I also did notice though that the shifters are not like the ones that were on my dads 72 when it was pulled. Maybe not biggey or maybe you could find older versions. I really wanted to sell you the one dad had but I ended up finding a guy to swap here locally and part of the deal was his getting the 4spd setup. It has turned out great so far. Still going to balance drive shafts, new U-joints and get real tilt pointer for column. I also have not figured out how to get neutral safety switch hooked up for this new auto.

Next I think I'll add him an HEI and rebuilt carb. Maybe even get new exhaust. Its fun spending others money!! Part of it will be his birthday present for later this month.

One thing to watch for is the spline count on the front output shaft, if it is a corse spline ( 10 spline I think) there are no four bolt cv joint yokes for it, and you will be limited to the u-joint yoke. But you only need the four hole yoke if you are gonna run a cv front shaft though.

Just some thing to think about.

P.S. the transfer case shifter do differ slightly from the 72 to later 70's ones.

I know what you mean about looking at 205's that turned out to be 203's. I drove an hour to buy a 205, but got there and you could clearly see it was a 203. The guy got mad when I told him it was a 203, but soon after that he had to eat his words after I scraped the caked on grease/mud from the tag that said NP203.

Good score, $200 is a good buy for the set.

Keith

It looks like the speedo cable comes out the passinger side instead of the driver side. And the side isn,t drilled and tapped for the torque mount.... Just a couple things i noticed. Even though, Its still a good deal. I would have bought it too!
Randy:bowtie: :bowtie:

I also noticed that the speedo connection came out on the passenger side. I thought the speedo connection came out on the passenger side on the NP203 and on the drivers side with the NP205. I guess that's not true in all cases as this is a 205 t-case. I also noticed that the side of the case is not tapped for the torque mount. How would this t-case have been supported in a previous installation? Did it just hang from the mount to the adapter to the tranny? Didn't make much sense to me.

So, does anyone have a 205 out of a vehicle where they can measure where and how far apart (from center to center) the tappped holes on the cast pad on my t-case? That way I can drill and tap it before I install it in my truck. That info would be greatly appreciated. If not, I'll figure it out when I pull the old Rockwell from my truck and see exactly how the torque mount was mounted to it. Is there anything else someone can think of that I should know or do before I do this swap. All the help so far has been excellent. And, is anyone sitting on a 69-72 NP205 shifter that they would be willing to part with?

Thanks much gang............
Rob

After going back and doing some searching, I had the speedo location backwards. I guess it is typical for the 203 to be on the drivers side and the 205 to be on the passenger side.

pont,

It looks like 3 3/8" center to center, at least on mine.

Larry

Thanks Larry, are those tapped holes centered from top to bottom and side to side on that pad?

Thanks
Rob

Rob,

They look pretty even on the pad, I'll get you a picture and post it.

Larry

If you guys finding the SM465/NP203 combos, can score them for a good price, you may be able to sell them to guys looking to use the Off Road Design Doubler setup.

You need the adapter for that setup and the SM465/NP203, is sorta scarce...

Pont,

You may wanna wait, 'til you look at your existing mount. May be that you can use it, merely by drilling the holes in the case, to fit your mount...

Are there holes ABOVE where the cast iron pad is??

-Marty

Hey Larry, thanks for the great pic. That definitely clears things up.

Marty, I was thinking exactly as you were, I plan on waiting to see how the torque mount is setup on the old Rockwell. If it's not useable or needs to much modification, I'll use a 205 torque mount assembly on my frame. Those holes above that pad or not tapped, they are plugs (like freeze plugs) that cover holes to knock-out what I would guess to be steel dowels or roll pins of some sort. There are more of these type of plugs in the 205 case, access points I'm guessing.

The 465/205 did not have the torque rod, only the autos. I could be wrong, but have never seen the rod on the 465/205. My 465/208 doesnt have one either.

Keith

BTW, did the 67 have a crossmember under the rear of the trans or just the bellhousing mounts/crossmember? If it just had the bellhousing CM style I would recomend getting a 73-80 465/205 crossmember and removing the orig from under the bellhousing. I wouldnt trust the BH to hold all of the weight/torque of the 465/205.

On my 205/465 the crossmember bolts to the adapter. And on the automatic trans too. The torque holes are 3.375 apart and are tapped 5/8-11 x 1 1/2 deep. The hole is 1 1/2 deep..not the thread. I wouldn't want to see you break through the other side! If it were me doing the conversion, i would convert it over to the old style 205 mount. Since its not going in a 78 chev. I like my stuff to be year correct. But thats just the way i am....
Randy:bowtie: :bowtie: