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66farmer 11-17-2013 06:58 PM

Rear wheels not centered in fender opening
 
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I don't like seeing my rear wheels not centered or close to it in the rear fender opening. I lowered the rear 6" and moved the bed closer to the cab which added to the off centering of the rear axle in the opening.

Now the question, does someone make a shorter trailing arm for coil springs, not air bags?

Thanks for the help.

61_FL_Apache 11-17-2013 08:01 PM

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I would think you can take a section out of the trailing arms. Don't forget to take some from the driveshaft too.

lolife99 11-17-2013 08:09 PM

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Or move the trailing arm crossmember forward.

Slow Build 11-17-2013 08:25 PM

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That's unusual, These trucks naturally have the rear wheels off center toward the front. Something isn't right. What exactly has been done to your trucks suspension and/or frame?

joedoh 11-17-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 61_FL_Apache (Post 6369203)
I would think you can take a section out of the trailing arms. Don't forget to take some from the driveshaft too.

you dont need to (and really shouldnt) section the control arms. move the axle mounting pin forward the required amount and let the extra stick out the back.

I say dont section the trailing arms because they are two pieces of c channel joined in a way to allow them to twist torsionally when one wheel goes up over a bump.

mixermike 11-17-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lolife99 (Post 6369224)
Or move the trailing arm crossmember forward.

I agree

padresag 11-17-2013 11:18 PM

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are you trailing arms from the 78?. They may be longer than the 66. the w/base is longer in the 68. looking back at your build thread where it shows your frame and rear axle it does seem to be to far back. it is located at the back of the raised section of the frame section where the axle resides
I do not know whether or not that they are of the same length, but there has to be a reason
ron

mixermike 11-17-2013 11:48 PM

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I believe all trailing arms are the same length. The difference between a swb and a lwb is the placement of the crossmember

66farmer 11-18-2013 12:35 AM

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I used the stock 66 arms. The only thing I changed was the trailing arm cross member. I used one from Early Classic because is gave more ground clearance for lowered trucks. And yes I installed it correctly.

66farmer 11-18-2013 01:01 AM

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I just emailed Early Classic asking them about my problem with attached pictures. I will see what they have to say.

luvbowties 11-18-2013 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by joedoh (Post 6369547)
you dont need to (and really shouldnt) section the control arms. move the axle mounting pin forward the required amount and let the extra stick out the back.

I say dont section the trailing arms because they are two pieces of c channel joined in a way to allow them to twist torsionally when one wheel goes up over a bump.

Not knowing all this, I shortened mine & moved my diff'l forward between 1 and 2 inches. Been done about 3 years with no adverse effects. Surely did make it look better!
Sam

LostMy65 11-18-2013 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Slow Build (Post 6369281)
That's unusual, These trucks naturally have the rear wheels off center toward the front. Something isn't right. What exactly has been done to your trucks suspension and/or frame?

Yeah, mine on my stepside are off centered toward the front.
I suggest he move his early classic crossmember forward.
And then his shaft may also need to be shortened.
But do not cut the trailing arms.
Move the ece crossmember forward.

jonzcustomshop 11-18-2013 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 66farmer (Post 6369770)
I used the stock 66 arms. The only thing I changed was the trailing arm cross member. I used one from Early Classic because is gave more ground clearance for lowered trucks. And yes I installed it correctly.

other than having to take the cab off again, looks pretty straight forward, drill some new holes and move the whole unit forward, shorten the driveshaft, but what about the spring mounts?
is the crossmember too far back, and are your springs leaning to the front a little bit?

I agree with the couple of people that said it is safer to move that crossmember than shorten the stock trailing arms

I guess the other question is how close to 115 is your wheelbase right now?

just checked out your build, looks nice!

another thought.. cpp ads that I have seen show aftermarket trailing arms.. I wonder if those could be ordered , or retro fitted for what you need.

luvbowties 11-18-2013 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LostMy65 (Post 6369825)
Yeah, mine on my stepside are off centered toward the front.
I suggest he move his early classic crossmember forward.
And then his shaft may also need to be shortened.
But do not cut the trailing arms.
Move the ece crossmember forward.

I think it was Kieth who suggested putting spacer blocks between front of your trail arms and their x-member--simple way to move your diff'l rearwards.
Sam

brokenspoke 11-18-2013 06:35 AM

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Move the bed back

66farmer 11-18-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by luvbowties (Post 6369804)
Not knowing all this, I shortened mine & moved my diff'l forward between 1 and 2 inches. Been done about 3 years with no adverse effects. Surely did make it look better!
Sam

Where in the arms did you shortened them. And is your truck lowered if so how much. Could you post a picture I would really like to see the difference.
Thanks

66farmer 11-18-2013 10:57 AM

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I really don't want to move the cross member it would be a PITA plus I think the spring would be misaligned.
I moved the bed forward to make it look better which it did, know I'm paying the price.
I'm going to measure the wheel base. I will post my findings.

ECC emailed me back, they see this a lot in lowered step sides. They would build me shorter arms. I asked where are you making them shorter (spring forward or spring back)

lolife99 11-18-2013 11:20 AM

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Moving the trailing arm crossmember forward, would require you to redrill the upper hole in the frame, for the spring retainer bolt.
I don't see that as much of an issue.
Porterbuilt Fabrication makes tubular trailing arm crossmembers with a series of mounting holes to adjust the crossmember forward for the stepside trucks and rearward for the fleetside truck.

66farmer 11-18-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lolife99 (Post 6370186)
Moving the trailing arm crossmember forward, would require you to redrill the upper hole in the frame, for the spring retainer bolt.
I don't see that as much of an issue.
Porterbuilt Fabrication makes tubular trailing arm crossmembers with a series of mounting holes to adjust the crossmember forward for the stepside trucks and rearward for the fleetside truck.

I talked to Dave at Porterbuilt today he's going to get back to me. I don't want to move the cross member because of the exhaust.

luvbowties 11-18-2013 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 66farmer (Post 6370101)
Where in the arms did you shortened them. And is your truck lowered if so how much. Could you post a picture I would really like to see the difference.
Thanks

Cut them about 1/3 of distance from spring-seat toward front-mounts. Made new pockets for coil springs, afterwards, to reset rear to a net of about 2.5 inches down--had earlier lowered it 3.0 inches, using springs: did this to help with changing tires, due to fender well clearance, as well as looks. Sorry, do not have pics of before-and-after. The pockets/cups added will make it easy to alter height in future, if desired, by simply swapping different-height cup(s) on the bottom of coils.
Was careful to cut the arms using the common "ZEE-CUT" for strength.
Hope some of this helps.
Sam

jonzcustomshop 11-18-2013 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 66farmer (Post 6371066)
I talked to Dave at Porterbuilt today he's going to get back to me. I don't want to move the cross member because of the exhaust.

this is probably your best bet, getting them custom made, that way the springs stay in the right spot, and it should just be a bolt in affair... things to think about: the panhard bar (I think its called), will that have to be moved forward as well, and will you have to shorten the drive shaft, or is there enough slip play now that that is not needed? also what about he brake line? will it reach? , or maybe you could just move the mount on that as well.

old cruiser 11-19-2013 02:32 AM

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Reposition guards would be the simple answer if you don't want to move the whole bed back. Just a thought

pdxhall 11-19-2013 03:56 AM

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Moving drivetrain components sounds like a bunch of work to an already superb chassis. Maybe pick up a couple of fenders and experiment with moving the wheel openings. I've seen it done on front fenders, I would think it could be done on rear step fenders.:metal:

66farmer 11-19-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by luvbowties (Post 6371144)
Cut them about 1/3 of distance from spring-seat toward front-mounts. Made new pockets for coil springs, afterwards, to reset rear to a net of about 2.5 inches down--had earlier lowered it 3.0 inches, using springs: did this to help with changing tires, due to fender well clearance, as well as looks. Sorry, do not have pics of before-and-after. The pockets/cups added will make it easy to alter height in future, if desired, by simply swapping different-height cup(s) on the bottom of coils.
Was careful to cut the arms using the common "ZEE-CUT" for strength.
Hope some of this helps.
Sam

Thanks for the info

66farmer 11-19-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jonzcustomshop (Post 6371463)
this is probably your best bet, getting them custom made, that way the springs stay in the right spot, and it should just be a bolt in affair... things to think about: the panhard bar (I think its called), will that have to be moved forward as well, and will you have to shorten the drive shaft, or is there enough slip play now that that is not needed? also what about he brake line? will it reach? , or maybe you could just move the mount on that as well.


The panhard bar and the upper shock mounts will have to be moved. And the drive line will have to be shortened. The brake line should be easy move.

I was going to remove the bed anyway this winter to do a C notch. I want to lower the rear just a little more.
I guess I just can't stop working on this truck. (I think I need to see a doctor)


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