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tanman722001 02-10-2017 02:04 PM

question about lowering the front
 
Hi guys, I have a 84 C10 that I want to lower some. Thinking about 3 inches in the front, My question is which why have you guys done this spring or spindles? Thanks in advance

3drburb 02-10-2017 05:43 PM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
I think drop spindles 2.5 or 3 inches should be the first step in dropping it. Then if you want it a bit lower you can trim your springs if they are not wore out or get lowering springs to make up the difference.

Nick_R_23 02-10-2017 07:06 PM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
Spindles are the best way as it leave all the stock geometry in place. However, some 3" spindles can interfere with smaller wheels. I personally prefer 2.5" spindles and cutting 1 full coil from stock springs (approximately 2") for a total of 4.5" drop, and matches the axle flip kits perfectly IMO.

SkinnyG 02-10-2017 10:17 PM

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I have 3" spindles. Get 2.5" spindles.

And yeah - cut that coil too.

lilpoindexter 02-10-2017 11:26 PM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
78C10 short step...I flipped the back, and put 2.5" spindles on the front, with 2" springs. My truck has a little rake to it, and the tires rub on the inner fenders occaisionally...if i did it again i would use the 2.5 spindles, and probably just cut a coil off my stock coils...

bbbc10 02-10-2017 11:27 PM

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Get spindles over springs as spindles lower the body an springs changes geometry of suspension etc

UKNOWME 02-11-2017 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyG (Post 7854829)
I have 3" spindles. Get 2.5" spindles.

And yeah - cut that coil too.

Curious why you suggest 2 1/2 over 3" spindles?

SkinnyG 02-11-2017 01:08 AM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
As I understand it:

- You won't likely need to clearance the lower control arms to fit 15" rims (as I did).

- Less (or none) of the lower control arm hanging below the rim (not usually legal).

UKNOWME 02-11-2017 01:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyG (Post 7854994)
As I understand it:

- You won't likely need to clearance the lower control arms to fit 15" rims (as I did).

- Less (or none) of the lower control arm hanging below the rim (not usually legal).

Makes sense. He never said what size wheels so I wasn't thinking about that. Western chassis spindles claim to work with 15" steels and 3" drop. Can't speak on laws though.

bbbc10 02-11-2017 05:09 AM

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the only spindle that works with stock rallys is the western chassis I had them on my 84 all other spindles u have to clearance the control arm

tanman722001 02-11-2017 07:42 AM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
I want to run stock rally for know. I want a little rake don't like them sitting level. By cutting stock spring does it make it ride any different? and how low can the rear go without a c notch?

SkinnyG 02-11-2017 02:19 PM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
I don't think you are going to need a notch at all. The pumpkin hits the bed floor before the axle tubes hit the frame.

I notched mine when I shortened the frame and flipped the axle, and I think notching the frame is a waste of time. And I ~haul~ things in my truck - the tubes don't hit where the frame used to be.

(although, on a hard turn, it's possible the tube might touch as the chassis rolls - lower it first, and decide later).

I did need shorter shocks even despite shock extenders, as the shocks were bottoming when fully loaded. I used 4WD front shocks in the back with the extenders I fabricated.

Nick_R_23 02-11-2017 02:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bbbc10 (Post 7855070)
the only spindle that works with stock rallys is the western chassis I had them on my 84 all other spindles u have to clearance the control arm

This is not true. I have Early Classic 2.5" spindles and they clear my stock rally wheels just fine.

bbbc10 02-11-2017 04:12 PM

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Ok only 2 brand spindles will clear...

bbbc10 02-11-2017 04:14 PM

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Dont cut the stock spring...it will ride like crap....when ppl cut springs they buy stock big block springs an cut them an the ride is great. An u can go low as 6" in rear with no notch as long as u dont haul or tow anything

3drburb 02-11-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bbbc10 (Post 7855472)
Ok only 2 brand spindles will clear...

What about Belltech and CPP? I find it hard to believe that 2 companies have this market locked down to themselves.

UKNOWME 02-11-2017 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 3drburb (Post 7855544)
What about Belltech and CPP? I find it hard to believe that 2 companies have this market locked down to themselves.

I can verify belltech and mcgaughys spindles cause the rally wheels to rub on the lower control arms. It's not that you can't use these spindles with rally wheels, you just have to trim the lower control arms. Not a big deal

tanman722001 02-11-2017 05:35 PM

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ok Thanks guys. I'm just not sure how low to go. 3 front 4 rear or 4 front and 5 rear

Keith Seymore 02-11-2017 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bbbc10 (Post 7855478)
Dont cut the stock spring...it will ride like crap....

Not trying to be argumentative but that's not true, either.

I did about a dozen trucks that way, back in the day (plus my Chevelle).

Cut two coils on the blue truck.

Cut one and a half coils on the red truck. It has been a daily driver for 30 years and a quarter million miles with no issues. It is the most comfortable vehicle I own.

K

Moose62 02-12-2017 01:44 AM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
I cut coils when in high school, and it works but I thought it made the front bounce more as the top coil is no longer a larger flat surface...
I followed bbc10s advice and I used a 2.5" western chassis spindle and 2" coils and a belltech rear 6" flip. If you want that low, that's the setup to use. Keep in mind mine has very little travel, like 2" in the front and rear before I'm hitting rear frame and front stock bump stops and front inner fenders. No fat girls, or three wheelers in the bed though. It works for weekend strolls...
As far as 15" wheels, the 2.5" spindle only clears the inside rim edge by 1/8", I had to cut off the clipped on wheel balance weights.
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...sroxppfxx.jpeg

bbbc10 02-12-2017 04:57 AM

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Looks great!!!

72freak 02-12-2017 06:38 AM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
As mentioned above, most drop spindles will have slight clearance issues with 15" wheels if you are going to run them. I ordered some early classic ones a few months ago and the tech department said they did not rub.....GUESS WHAT!

2.5 drop spindles and 1" cut coil is the way I went.

Bobby Pootz 02-12-2017 04:16 PM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose62 (Post 7856050)
I cut coils when in high school, and it works but I thought it made the front bounce more as the top coil is no longer a larger flat surface...
I followed bbc10s advice and I used a 2.5" western chassis spindle and 2" coils and a belltech rear 6" flip. If you want that low, that's the setup to use. Keep in mind mine has very little travel, like 2" in the front and rear before I'm hitting rear frame and front stock bump stops and front inner fenders. No fat girls, or three wheelers in the bed though. It works for weekend strolls...
As far as 15" wheels, the 2.5" spindle only clears the inside rim edge by 1/8", I had to cut off the clipped on wheel balance weights.

Thanks for posting Moose! What brand coils did you go with? Western Chassis? And did you notch the frame in the back? Cause 2" clearance in the rear is close for my uses.

Also, what sizes are your wheels? I like that stance! I haven't dropped my 84 yet so I'm still doing my research.

Rob

Moose62 02-12-2017 11:12 PM

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I used western chassis coils. Belltech shocks. No shock extenders in the rear. Bought the notch. But didn't cut the frame yet. It does probably need to be done. But I haven't looked at the rear diff to bed clearance. The tires in that pic were 255/70/15 with 15x8 stock wheels. But now it has 20x9 all the way around with 255/45/20 and 295/40/20. Looks good. I wouldn't say it drives great as every good dip bottoms me out. Not sure if different shocks would be better or worse. But I did like the western chassis spindles. Just had to finish tapping out the dust cover bolt threads. And belltech has always been good on the flips. Avoid DJM.

My truck dropped about 4.5/6.5. And measures now 27" from ground to center of fenders. Tires were and are still 29" tall.

RDrancher 02-12-2017 11:16 PM

Re: question about lowering the front
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose62 (Post 7857142)
I used western chassis coils. Belltech shocks. No shock extenders in the rear. Bought the notch. But didn't cut the frame yet. It does probably need to be done. But I haven't looked at the rear diff to bed clearance. The tires in that pic were 255/70/15 with 15x8 stock wheels. But now it has 20x9 all the way around with 255/45/20 and 295/40/20. Looks good. I wouldn't say it drives great as every good dip bottoms me out. Not sure if different shocks would be better or worse. But I did like the western chassis spindles. Just had to finish tapping out the dust cover bolt threads. And belltech has always been good on the flips. Avoid DJM.

My truck dropped about 4.5/6.5. And measures now 27" from ground to center of fenders. Tires were and are still 29" tall.

Are you bottoming out the front or rear? Just wondering if you removed the bump stops.


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