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Syclone3Mt 08-23-2019 11:14 AM

New brake booster size ?
 
I have a 72 C10 swb with disc/drum set up. I hate the current brake pedal. Seems I have to stand on it to get adequate brakes. I was looking at upgrading to a dual diaphram booster design. Would 7" or 8" be better? Any suggestions from anyone who has done this upgrade...? I was looking at a company called LEED Brakes. There pricing seems good and have great reviews. Anyone heard of them? Heres a link to the setup i was looking at. Thanks.

https://leedbrakes.com/i-23439481-co...ve-chrome.html

Andy4639 08-23-2019 12:51 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
Go with the stock booster 11" and you will be much happier! I tried a 8" and hated it. I went back stock. :chevy:

Syclone3Mt 08-23-2019 12:56 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by Andy4639 (Post 8580747)
Go with the stock booster 11" and you will be much happier! I tried a 8" and hated it. I went back stock. :chevy:

Was the 8" booster too touchy?

Jason Banks 08-23-2019 01:44 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
I have seen Andy post about liking the 11 inch stock better but can't remember why exactly.

I have this set on one truck:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-1972-C...m/330948170372

I like it so much I ordered another for my other truck.

Mbeef61 08-23-2019 02:20 PM

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I used a booster for a c30. Love it

HeavyHauler 08-23-2019 02:38 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
Will a bigger brake booster provide more power assist for the brakes so a person doesnt have to apply as much brake pedal pressure?

Andy4639 08-23-2019 03:18 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by Syclone3Mt (Post 8580752)
Was the 8" booster too touchy?

No , it just didn't seem to work as good as the original 11".
I had the stock booster in my 71 and thought the 8" chrome booster would be a little nicer to the eye under the hood. I never liked the way it stopped compared to the 11" for 30 some years. It may have been just me but i went back to the 11" after a year of hating the way it worked.
:chevy:

Syclone3Mt 08-23-2019 03:28 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by Jason Banks (Post 8580783)
I have seen Andy post about liking the 11 inch stock better but can't remember why exactly.

I have this set on one truck:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-1972-C...m/330948170372

I like it so much I ordered another for my other truck.

Nice. Does your brake pedal feel really good now? Im just tired when I get to a stop light and having tho hold my foot on the brake so hard otherwise it wants to just take right off and leap through the red light. Im sure the LS swap and radical cam don't help either :lol:

Syclone3Mt 08-23-2019 04:16 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy4639 (Post 8580747)
Go with the stock booster 11" and you will be much happier! I tried a 8" and hated it. I went back stock. :chevy:

Thanks for the advice.

geezer#99 08-23-2019 04:39 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by Syclone3Mt (Post 8580826)
Nice. Does your brake pedal feel really good now? Im just tired when I get to a stop light and having tho hold my foot on the brake so hard otherwise it wants to just take right off and leap through the red light. Im sure the LS swap and radical cam don't help either :lol:

How much vacuum does your motor have when you’re pushing so hard?

Syclone3Mt 08-23-2019 05:13 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by geezer#99 (Post 8580865)
How much vacuum does your motor have when you’re pushing so hard?

Vacuum is good, put in a Texas Speed Low Lift 212/218, .550/.550 cam. Idles real nice with a slight lope. I think the current booster may have a diaphragm thats leaking or just old and worn. Just would like a softer pedal is all. So many choices out there for brake parts.

RustyPile 08-23-2019 07:58 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by Syclone3Mt (Post 8580826)
Nice. Does your brake pedal feel really good now? Im just tired when I get to a stop light and having tho hold my foot on the brake so hard otherwise it wants to just take right off and leap through the red light. Im sure the LS swap and radical cam don't help either :lol:

You have more at work here than what first meets the eyes.. Long duration cams develop lower manifold vacuum and require a higher engine idle speed. Without a torque convertor of a higher stall speed, the vehicle will, using your words, "just take right off and leap through the red light..." Lower vacuum means more pedal pressure to operate the brakes.

My 454 BBC develops only 15 - 16 inches of vacuum at idle.. The lopey cam won't allow the engine to idle much below 1,000 - 1,100 RPM, and the stall speed of the torque convertor matches the cam's requirements and specs.... Even through all this, the brake pedal pressure and overall stopping power is just fine..

I guess all that bling - bling on that $360.00 master cylinder/booster suits some people, but I installed this $170.00 unit on my truck.. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-760197/overview/

Syclone3Mt 08-23-2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyPile (Post 8580940)
You have more at work here than what first meets the eyes.. Long duration cams develop lower manifold vacuum and require a higher engine idle speed. Without a torque convertor of a higher stall speed, the vehicle will, using your words, "just take right off and leap through the red light..." Lower vacuum means more pedal pressure to operate the brakes.

My 454 BBC develops only 15 - 16 inches of vacuum at idle.. The lopey cam won't allow the engine to idle much below 1,000 - 1,100 RPM, and the stall speed of the torque convertor matches the cam's requirements and specs.... Even through all this, the brake pedal pressure and overall stopping power is just fine..

I guess all that bling - bling on that $360.00 master cylinder/booster suits some people, but I installed this $170.00 unit on my truck.. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-760197/overview/

Thanks for all the great info. I’ll check vacuum tomorrow and report back with what I find. Even before the cam swap my brakes were the exact same.
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dmjlambert 08-24-2019 06:11 PM

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I installed this $170.00 unit on my truck.. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-760197/overview/

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I like the looks and idea of that kit. When you buy a kit like that, is there way to go into a car parts store and tell them a make/model/year and get a replacement master cylinder across the counter to replace the one in that kit? Or way to get a replacement booster? Or is it necessary to buy a new kit every time a part of it wears out or breaks and needs replaced?

RustyPile 08-24-2019 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dmjlambert (Post 8581442)
I like the looks and idea of that kit. When you buy a kit like that, is there way to go into a car parts store and tell them a make/model/year and get a replacement master cylinder across the counter to replace the one in that kit? Or way to get a replacement booster? Or is it necessary to buy a new kit every time a part of it wears out or breaks and needs replaced?

Service parts are readily available from (among vendors/dealers) Summit Racing.. I believe the master cylinder is a Corvette item.. We also have this "kit" on a '57 Chevy Nomad that's in the care of my son.. He has told me the booster is a Toyota item..

Syclone3Mt 08-30-2019 01:00 PM

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Well I decided to go with the ebay purchase and get the 8" dual diaphram booster with new proportioning valve. Bled the brakes and took it for a cruise last night. What a difference in braking performance. I measured vacuum to booster. In park idling, vacuum is 15.8" W.C. In gear idling its 18.2" W.C. The brake pedal is so much better, way more assist. Now to replacing the rear drums, shoes and wheel cylinders this weekend!

dflarsen77 08-31-2019 02:23 AM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
It doesn’t seem popular but I looked at getting a dual diaphragm 9” booster. They come from 70s vettes I think. More power than a single 11” but not as wide. Less power than the big c30 dual 11”. Ultimately I went with the single 11” because it was the easiest and I have the vacuum.

https://www.jegs.com/i/Tuff+Stuff/90...xoCIDIQAvD_BwE

RustyPile 08-31-2019 11:32 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by dflarsen77 (Post 8585141)
It doesn’t seem popular but I looked at getting a dual diaphragm 9” booster. They come from 70s vettes I think. More power than a single 11” but not as wide. Less power than the big c30 dual 11”. Ultimately I went with the single 11” because it was the easiest and I have the vacuum.

https://www.jegs.com/i/Tuff+Stuff/90...xoCIDIQAvD_BwE

The booster in your link is a dual diaphragm 9 inch unit.. Cost is two dollars less than the Summit complete booster, master cylinder, prorportioning valve, and mounting bracket assembly.. cheap, good, fast...….

RustyPile 08-31-2019 11:35 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by Syclone3Mt (Post 8584862)
Well I decided to go with the ebay purchase and get the 8" dual diaphram booster with new proportioning valve. Bled the brakes and took it for a cruise last night. What a difference in braking performance. I measured vacuum to booster. In park idling, vacuum is 15.8" W.C. In gear idling its 18.2" W.C. The brake pedal is so much better, way more assist. Now to replacing the rear drums, shoes and wheel cylinders this weekend!

Good job, syclone3... That booster/master cylinder assembly looks right at home...

Syclone3Mt 09-03-2019 06:05 PM

Re: New brake booster size ?
 
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Originally Posted by RustyPile (Post 8585597)
Good job, syclone3... That booster/master cylinder assembly looks right at home...

Thanks Rusty, still waiting on parts for rear brakes.

Larry S 01-14-2023 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Syclone3Mt (Post 8584862)
Well I decided to go with the ebay purchase and get the 8" dual diaphram booster with new proportioning valve. Bled the brakes and took it for a cruise last night. What a difference in braking performance. I measured vacuum to booster. In park idling, vacuum is 15.8" W.C. In gear idling its 18.2" W.C. The brake pedal is so much better, way more assist. Now to replacing the rear drums, shoes and wheel cylinders this weekend!

Is that a 6.0? Was your vacuum adequate?
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