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What is up with today's motor oil ratings?
For over a year I have found our Walmart isn't stocking a full line of oil like they used to. Right now they mostly have full synthetic in 0w20 or 5w20 "made from natural gas" on the shelf. And what's more, it is labelled for high mileage engines.
It has long been my understanding that the low first number is for cold weather startups and the second number is for full operating temp viscosity. And a heavier rated oil in the past was recommended for higher mileage engines.
Are they rated differently these days? Even on our modern engines 0 or 5w20 sounds too thin for good protection to me.
I'm changing oil in my 2003 Tahoe with 300,000 miles on it. Surely there is enough wear in it that a heavier oil would be of benefit to it. That truck sees over 100 miles of highway every day.

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Was checking out my sisters new Subaru the other day. 0-16wt oil! Gotta be like water! :lol: The local Napa and O'Reillys has a huge selection of oils in weights I've never heard of. 30wt, 10/40, 20/50 used to be the norm. ;)

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Problem with NAPA and O'Reillys is their price gouging. Outrageous prices for just about everything on their sales floor, including motor oil. Wal-Mart is my goto for lubricants and other common automotive needs and shop supplies that they carry based on price alone.

Example: Wiper blades. O'Reillys wanted 50 bucks minimum for a pair. Walmart sold me the same thing for 25 dollars.

-Kevin

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Low weight oils for modern cars. Run what you want. My 300k suburban calls for 5-30. I use 7.5-35 by mixing half 5-30 and 10-40 lol.

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Yeah these are not the numbers We grew up with.;)

I guess the Smart people changed something.

Here are 2 videos about this stuff.

The W is not for Weight. ;)
I have heard Weight all my life.:lol:

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My truck calls for 0-20.. they told me to be sure to use that,but to change it every 5000 miles instead of 7k when the change oil light comes on

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The owners manuals, as far as I can remember, have a graph with oil weight recommendations for the climate the vehicle will be operated in. The lowest number to be used in the coldest temps for easier cold temp lubrication. I don't think I've ever seen a zero recommendation.
As far as my old 315,000 miles Tahoe is concerned, I have used 10w30 in it for 12 years and now with the high miles it does use a couple qts between changes. I am thinking a 20w50 might be a good one to use. Might even use a bit less oil too.

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What you are thinking, This is the way I was Trained.

I think you will be okay doing that.

I will jump on a Soap box.:m5::uhmk::lol::haha:

I am not against Synthetic oil at all.

I think this is What Caused all The Crazy Number Ratings.

Here is one example.

That calmed me down on the Synthetic Kraz.

I had a 5 foot Bush hog that I Refurbished.
I would cut the tractor off before Restoration.
The bush hog would stop spinning within a minute.

Then I drained the gearbox and replaced the oil with Synthetic .
That thing would spin for 5 minutes +. :lol:

As long as Stuff has got Oil it's probably going to survive.

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My 98 z71 has a tad over 250k miles on the org engine in it. I bought it with 31k 21 years ago. It had Castrol conv 10w30 from new si I kept going with that. Always right on full at 3000 miles. In 2007 I bought a new GMC and let my son drive the 98. He swapped it to Castrol Synthetic 10w30. I got it back at 177k. It drops a qt at 3k and is another qt low at 5000 when I change it. Im not sure it wouldnt do that with conv oil, but we may never know.

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Toyota just recently started using a 0w8 oil for their new models.

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:eek:

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"High mileage" oils have an additive package that allegedly keeps old seals and gaskets from leaking or to leak less.

No information about what oil weight may be more appropriate for an engine with loose clearances is provided by anyone anymore.

Remember WallMart isn't in the business of providing full line of anything but they are determined to sell only the cheapest quality, highest volume products.

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Thinner oil flows better and gets better gas mileage. Modern engines have tighter clearances to work with thin oil, and they last way longer than 70's and older engines ever did. The engine in my '66 C10 was worn out and rebuilt at 136k, modern engines regularly go 300k+.

Thicker oil than necessary increases oil temps which in turn thins out the oil. Just use an oil with a strong enough film strength for the application, and thin enough to have enough pressure but not excessive pressure.

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I have heard thinner oils help with better gas mileage as well but has anyone else noticed how much newer vehicles tick. I can not tell you how many newer cars I have stood by and heard a tick.
On a side note I was using synthetic 10w30 on 79 truck and recently went back to conventional oil and does not seem to leak as much oil.

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5w30 is all I use in my vehicles including two turbo cars, only exception is 10w30 in my 83 Silverado 305, with over 55 yrs of driving haven't had any oil related problems, stick to a 5K oil change routine.

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Right, it's like the manufacturers keep cutting cost to the detriment of their product. My 50+ year old chevy has metal rods bracing the thick metal fender parts that hang in the wind while today's 100k dollar SUVs are regularly seen with flapping body panels as they plow through the wind.

My 2007 BMW has direct injection. Those injectors are really loud with the tick, tick tick. The engine cover has a very thick layer of sound insulation just above these injectors. The thing sounds like it's completely clapped out when the cover is removed.

-Kevin

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Thats the high pressure fuel pump usually. Remember everything is direct injection with a couple thousand PSI of fuel pressure, run by a mechanical fuel pump on the engine.

We also hear it a lot with purge valves that get a little older, usually on Mercedes stuff.

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