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What size drop without a C notch?
1972 C10 Highlander w/350/350, PS, PB, factory AC/heat
Ready to purchase a drop for my truck, but I do not want to add a C notch. Also not looking to be in the weeds, just something to take up some of the gap in between the tire and fender. I have a leaf spring suspension in the rear, no trailing arms and I will not convert over. I plan on purchasing 2.5 drop spindles for sure. For now I plan on running 235/75/15 tires. No towing or hauling. Only a chair and cooler in the bed. I've been thinking about a 3.5/5 drop. What size drop will net me the best ride quality without bottoming out and NO C notch? Please add your experience. A pic of it would be nice. TIA |
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So I went under my truck to check clearance from the frame to the bump stop.
Frame to top of bump stop is about 4 3/8". Frame to that perch (looks like the first point of contact) where the tape measure is, is <6" If I do a 5" drop, that would leave me with <2" of travel before the frame comes in contact with that perch taking into consideration there is no sag on this 54yo suspension. Ideally, how much clearance should there be between both contact points? Pics are sideways again. :help: |
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Given years of experience w/these old trucks, I'd say you want/need @ least 3" of travel before making contact. That would likely be fine for ~75% of normal driving situations. Jacked-up roads where you live? You'll def want as much clearance w/o contact as possible. You reference an image of the rear-end axle tube to the frame rail..... That's not the only clearance issue. Did you measure between the differential & the bed floor? What's that number? With mild drops it's usually not an issue but it's a dimension you should know the answer for when making decisions. The location of measuring matters. You show a measurement from the base where the bumpstop mounts to the bottom of the frame rail but it sure looks like that mounting base is lower than the top of the axle tube. I'm also seeing only 3-leafs.... If you purchased 'dropped leafs', how many leafs are in their set-up? |
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I have a 4/6 Western Chassis drop without a c-notch https://westernchassis.com/1965-72-C...-Lowering-Kit/. It's pretty close, but no bottoming out. Challenge has been finding better shocks that work and fit. I settled on a set of CPP shocks all the way around. Not the best ride but it works.
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I did a 4-6 drop almost 20 years ago without a c-notch I've probably bottomed out 1-2 times at the most on really scrappy roads.
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Flip it
Cut a coil Drop spindle Perfect |
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Coil vs flipped leaf = 2 different scenarios guys. He stated he wants a mild drop & I would not call 4/6 or 5/7 mild. Mild is 2.5/4 or 3/5 max in my book.
Previous trucks I've been involved with did have issues w/making contact @ the frame (no bumpstop; no c-notch builds). |
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You can do 2/4 with springs alone, I have been told. With leafs in rear get some axle blocks. It's a cheap and reversible way to see if you like the ride height without making it complicated, too.
I've never met anyone who said they went too low and that they regret it. But that is a nice original truck, a mild drop would look great. |
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That really depends on how big the cooler is. Twenty cases of cold beer on ice could get pretty heavy.
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Because there are soo many trucks out there with different results, I'm starting to think that I may have to just add the drop, see where it lands and drive it around for a bit to see if I'm happy with the clearance. If not, I would have no other choice but to add a C notch. That seem like the logical way of going about it. |
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And to answer another question of yours in other post..... 4" of front drop is commonly from using Squarebody based 3" spindles & a 1" spring. Many guys will say '4/6' or '5/7' drop based only on a kit & not any actual recorded dimensions. They just know it dropped somewhere in that ballpark amount. Again, since things have been changed, you need to decide things KNOWING your starting dimensions or there's a possibility of doing things twice. |
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Thanks for the compliment. I guess to be correct 4.5 front drop 2.5 spindles 2" drop springs on the front. In the rear 5" drop springs 1" blocks.When I went to Wilwood disc brakes used same drop springs but had to switch to 2.5" drop modular spindles on the front. Hope that helps..
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I have factory disk so I don't think I need the modular spindles. Correct me of I'm wrong. |
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*They are said to not increase track width (drop spindles do). *They are ready for big-brake caliper brackets vs having to modify regular disc brake drop spindles. |
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I thought i read it was a leaf truck.. |
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I told him he needs to get some dimensions so we can help determine where a flip-kit would put him as far as height & clearance. With the spring pack shown in his images (I counted 3-leafs), it didn't come from GM that way so it would be just a guess if flipping the axle will still allow clearance. I feel an informed guess is a better approach since he wants a decent ride & does not want to cut the frame. |
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Not hard to see the results of an axle flip here as the dimensions are posted.. Drop will equal the axle plus the pad under it. Bump will be against frame. As existing spring specs are not known. Any other options are a guess. The diff would most likely not hit unless frame is notched.
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I also have rear leafs.
I went with 3” dropped A-arms in the front, keeping the stock springs. I removed all but three leafs in the rear and installed 2” drop hangers. Front and back are on 20” wheels. The second picture had the camera crooked....look at the wall slats in the background. I would like to drop the front another 2” and install a Wilwood Pro spindle a-arm setup, but they are a 2 1/2” and I think that would be too much. Also...I installed a sway bar in the front as my truck did not come with one, and I see that the end bushings are hitting the top of the crossmember before the bump stops. No marks at all on the bump stops, but you can definitely see where the bushings have been hit. |
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