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full foot notch · 06-07-2006, 09:15 PM

http://www.guba.com/watch/3000003925

very interesting

**truckdude239** · 06-07-2006, 09:23 PM

wowwwwwwwww

TugOwar · 06-07-2006, 09:36 PM

uhhh ummm okaaaaaay....

*Medicanman71* · 06-07-2006, 09:43 PM

old news.. but check this out
http://pesn.com/2006/06/02/9500276_W...er_threatened/

jakeslim · 06-07-2006, 09:57 PM

Cool, but our own gov and oil business are too far into the hole. Brazil has cars that run 100% on fuel from sugar cane (flex cars). They buy from the Ford and GM and VW. The solutions exist, but so much of the economy evolves around oil.

smirch9 · 06-07-2006, 10:23 PM

Hey I'm all for alternative methods!

DangerBoy · 06-07-2006, 11:40 PM

I wonder how the power outbput is compared to that of gasoline engines.

70short/step · 06-07-2006, 11:52 PM

Any of you watch the Indy 500??
They were using 10% ethenol in their fuel. They said it is the same as what they use in our gas as an additive. Next year they said they will 100% Ethenol. Must have some punch to run in an Indy car. Time to start growing some corn!

gmcracing92 · 06-07-2006, 11:59 PM

thats one of the coolest things i have ever seen.

DangerBoy · 06-08-2006, 12:02 AM

That E-85 stuff thats supposed to be comming out is 110 octane so us high compression lovers can run no problem now...except that its alcohol and needs a few engine mods.

LONGHAIR · 06-08-2006, 07:00 PM

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Any of you watch the Indy 500??
They were using 10% ethenol in their fuel. They said it is the same as what they use in our gas as an additive. Next year they said they will 100% Ethenol. Must have some punch to run in an Indy car. Time to start growing some corn!

They are adding 10% Ethanol to the Methanol that they already run.....It's not like they are cutting gasoline as they do for street cars. Indy cars have run on alcohol for a long time. The big problem with alcohol fuel is volume, it take about twice as much to make the power of gasoline.

*Shane* · 06-08-2006, 11:24 PM

Longhair is absolutely correct. Indy cars have been running methanol (another form of alcohol based fuel) for ages. I may be wrong, but I think they switched from gasoline to methanol sometime during the 40's or early 50's.

They added the 10% ETHANOL for advertising/marketing purposes. ETHANOL "bought" it's way into the game.

jimfulco · 06-08-2006, 11:37 PM

Funny how a few years ago they had to warn you if there was alcohol in your fuel.

70short/step · 06-09-2006, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane

Longhair is absolutely correct. Indy cars have been running methanol (another form of alcohol based fuel) for ages. I may be wrong, but I think they switched from gasoline to methanol sometime during the 40's or early 50's.

They added the 10% ETHANOL for advertising/marketing purposes. ETHANOL "bought" it's way into the game.

Yeah I know. Ethanol will be 100% next year. So Just corn fuel!

Frizzle Fry · 06-09-2006, 01:00 AM

Energy in: H2O->HHO = Energy out: HHO->H2O. There is no net surplus of power in the equation. Remember the law of conservation of energy? In fact there are energy losses in such a process (no system is perfect). So the dream of filling your tank with water and off you go is not here yet. I think he must have a breakthrough with this HHO thing, but it still requires an external source of energy. Water can be used as a storage/transfer medium for energy, but not as a source of it. Not without a nuclear breakthrough... Perhaps the HHO is a more efficient means for using water as a storage/transfer medium.

mbgmike · 06-09-2006, 10:19 AM

E85 supposed to be here in texas. Dallas and Houston are test markets. Have not seen it yet.

Chevrolet4x4s · 06-09-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 70short/step

Any of you watch the Indy 500??
They were using 10% ethenol in their fuel. They said it is the same as what they use in our gas as an additive. Next year they said they will 100% Ethenol. Must have some punch to run in an Indy car. Time to start growing some corn!

Yup ethonol is just 200 proof moonshine.It is said that you can run 13to1 cr with e85 on the street

but you can only get 95.6ish% pure ethenol without destilling it in a vacuum.
Shane

06-07-2006, 09:15 PM	#1
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TugOwar Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pleasanton, TX Posts: 1,723	Re: run your torch on water.. uhhh ummm okaaaaaay....

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Medicanman71 Account Suspended Join Date: May 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 696	Re: run your torch on water.. old news.. but check this out http://pesn.com/2006/06/02/9500276_W...er_threatened/

06-07-2006, 09:57 PM	#5
jakeslim Premium Level Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern CA Posts: 829	Re: run your torch on water.. Cool, but our own gov and oil business are too far into the hole. Brazil has cars that run 100% on fuel from sugar cane (flex cars). They buy from the Ford and GM and VW. The solutions exist, but so much of the economy evolves around oil. __________________ 69 K5 CST stock- 350, 4speed 77 K5 - 383, auto, 6" lift, D60 front, 14b rear, 39" tsl's,

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06-07-2006, 11:52 PM	#8
70short/step Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,579	Re: run your torch on water.. Any of you watch the Indy 500?? They were using 10% ethenol in their fuel. They said it is the same as what they use in our gas as an additive. Next year they said they will 100% Ethenol. Must have some punch to run in an Indy car. Time to start growing some corn! __________________ For every person with a spark of genius, There are a hundred with ignition trouble. 70 Short/Step

06-07-2006, 11:59 PM	#9
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06-08-2006, 12:02 AM	#10
DangerBoy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Springville, Ca Posts: 270	Re: run your torch on water.. That E-85 stuff thats supposed to be comming out is 110 octane so us high compression lovers can run no problem now...except that its alcohol and needs a few engine mods. __________________ 2002 S10 ZR2 for the dirt. 1968 C10 shorty for the street. She said the truck would be the end of us. I still have the truck!

06-08-2006, 11:24 PM	#12
Shane Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: over yonder Posts: 14,270	Re: run your torch on water.. Longhair is absolutely correct. Indy cars have been running methanol (another form of alcohol based fuel) for ages. I may be wrong, but I think they switched from gasoline to methanol sometime during the 40's or early 50's. They added the 10% ETHANOL for advertising/marketing purposes. ETHANOL "bought" it's way into the game.

06-08-2006, 11:37 PM	#13
jimfulco Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport LA Posts: 3,170	Re: run your torch on water.. Funny how a few years ago they had to warn you if there was alcohol in your fuel.

06-09-2006, 01:00 AM	#15
Frizzle Fry Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hillsboro Oregon Posts: 6,449	Re: run your torch on water.. Energy in: H2O->HHO = Energy out: HHO->H2O. There is no net surplus of power in the equation. Remember the law of conservation of energy? In fact there are energy losses in such a process (no system is perfect). So the dream of filling your tank with water and off you go is not here yet. I think he must have a breakthrough with this HHO thing, but it still requires an external source of energy. Water can be used as a storage/transfer medium for energy, but not as a source of it. Not without a nuclear breakthrough... Perhaps the HHO is a more efficient means for using water as a storage/transfer medium.

06-09-2006, 10:19 AM	#16
mbgmike Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pasadena,Tx /Pto Pta DR Posts: 5,415	Re: run your torch on water.. E85 supposed to be here in texas. Dallas and Houston are test markets. Have not seen it yet.



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