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04-25-2004, 09:41 PM
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Grove in rotor, what's it for
I pulled the rotors and steering knuckles of the 70chevy and was wondering what the grove was for. the grove is in the center and on both sides. I think it's for wear but it is deep:
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1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm 
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04-25-2004, 09:45 PM
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The Chevy guy at my parts place said they were to assist with cooling.
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04-25-2004, 09:47 PM
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I have the original rotors from my '71 Monte. They have the same groove. I took them in to get resurfaced and the guy at the NAPA counter said he can't resurface them because they are grooved.
I said they came from the factory that way. He said no. That was the last time I was in that NAPA. The old timers tell me that was an attempt at dissipating heat. Remember that is a 1st generation production rotor.
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04-25-2004, 09:47 PM
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I'm pretty sure the groove was caused by someone letting the pads go to long without changing them.....the wear indicator on the pads made the groove. I think though...not totally sure.
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04-25-2004, 09:54 PM
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Lucas the grove is perfect and same depth on both side and on both rotors.
I boght new ones for $23 each and plan on replacing them but thought i'd ask.
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1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm
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04-25-2004, 10:14 PM
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groove
the groove was put in the rotor. it was to help dissapate heat and to reduce brake noise.
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04-25-2004, 10:22 PM
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Besides the cooling factor, I'm told they were inthere to help with dust disapation, which I think is what helps reduce the noise. I saw one machine place a few years ago that would not work on them because they were groved.
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04-25-2004, 11:10 PM
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I heard those grooves were for helping seat the new pads after doing brakes and guide them until they are seated. They are factory and not made by worn pad rivits.
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04-25-2004, 11:23 PM
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to dissipate heat! When I was a kid I had some other "kid" turn my rotors down until that groove was gone! DOH! I ended up with a new pair of rotors. THose are from the factory with those grooves. Don't turn them out!
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04-25-2004, 11:50 PM
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Oops then....my '72 had them and i assumed they were from me waiting too long to put on new pads (lots of brake screech and pull). They are practically gone from being turned now...guess i need some new rotors, lol.
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04-26-2004, 01:39 AM
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The groove in the rotor if you measure it is the minimum thickness that it can be machined to. So when the groove is gone so are your rotors.
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04-26-2004, 02:00 AM
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I agree with kwmech ... it is a wear indicator.
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04-26-2004, 02:06 AM
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I have the groove in mine. If they are factory, does that give any indication of age? Would they be original, or were replacement rotors made the same way up to a certain time?
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04-26-2004, 02:16 AM
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Well im glad to hear what that groove is really for.When i converted to disc brakes a couple months ago i noticed it,i thought the rotors were bad because i got them from a junk yard but when i thought about it,it did seem like the pads could make an even and uniform groove like that.The guy that machined then down didnt even know what the groove was for either.
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04-26-2004, 03:39 AM
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Yeah I have heard the heat dissapation and keeping the pads aligned. I guess it would keep the rattle noise down and pad pretty square on.. My '72 has them and a '76 Dana 44 I once owned had them too..
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04-26-2004, 07:51 AM
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All of my K20s have those grooves with original rotors. I've never had to turn or replace them. Not bad for over 30 year old rotors. You sure they need replaced?
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04-26-2004, 10:30 AM
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Those grooves are there to make it more difficult to get the calipers off!
 lolLike kwmech says, they're minimum thickness indicators.
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04-26-2004, 11:00 AM
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It's a catastrophic success.
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I had a "nut " try to turn mine out
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04-26-2004, 07:09 PM
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Well I guess I'll just hold on to the new ones and keep the old ones on. Thanks everybody!
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1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm
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04-26-2004, 07:43 PM
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I believe they're there do dissipate and allow the release of gases created from heating of the pad material. If you look at high performance braking systems they have the groves machined across the rotor at an angle. This is to assist the relaese of gas by the rotating assembly.
They also naturally assist in the dissipation of heat because of the addtional surface area. |
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