Dealer-installed PTO winch/bumper? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

BobS · 10-22-2004, 02:34 PM

Does anyone have one? Ever seen one? I know they were more common in the 50s and 60s, just wondering if there is a "period-correct" setup that would go on our trucks.

*1972C10* · 10-22-2004, 11:55 PM

Friend of mine is into Big 4x4 he bought a setup from a forum member awhile back that came off a 67-72

BobS · 10-23-2004, 04:06 PM

This is what a factory installed winch looks like on a 60-66 truck/burb.

This shot is from the July 1965 issue of Four Wheeler magazine, written by Peter Kokalis. The entire article is on the 60-66 GMC Truck Site.

http://www.6066gmctrucks.org/

Anyone ever seen something similar to this on a 67-72?

Bob

ecdc · 10-23-2004, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobS

Does anyone have one? Ever seen one? I know they were more common in the 50s and 60s, just wondering if there is a "period-correct" setup that would go on our trucks.

We just bought a wrecker - '70 c30 How would we know whether the winch was factory installed? Appears to be same age as rest of the rust.

BobS · 10-23-2004, 10:21 PM

From what I've been able to find about the earlier factory mounted winches was that they were made by Braden, the driveshafts were Spicer and the PTOs were made by Chelsea. Is yours a front mounted or are you talking about the winch in the back? A rear winch for the wrecker would must likely have been installed by the upfitter that built the wrecker. Do you have any pics?

Bob

BobS · 10-23-2004, 10:49 PM

1972C10,

Do you know if your friend's winch came with the frame extensions that are shown in the pic?

Bob

BLAZERMAN · 10-23-2004, 11:27 PM

Dealer installed winches could be Braden, Ramsey or the Koenig King, I have seen several Ramsey winches that were dealer installed and should have some pics somewhere.

*1972C10* · 10-24-2004, 05:41 AM

His was on a kinda cow killer type bumper it was a very old and crude one at that. It was a braden winch. Attachhed to an NP205 He got the propshafts and everything.

ChebyCheyenne · 10-24-2004, 06:58 PM

I have a PTO winch on my 72, its a Ramsey.

sorry the pictures suck.

**JIMs70GMC** · 10-24-2004, 07:17 PM

Those pics are great, how about some shots of the pto?

BobS · 10-24-2004, 07:24 PM

Thanks for posting those pics, it shows really well how the driveshaft is routed. The winches mounted up higher and behind the bumper must have had the driveshafts going through the front crossmember or at least very close to the bottom of it.

ChebyCheyenne · 10-24-2004, 07:46 PM

I went outside and got some more pics for ya. The best i could do lying on the ground.

**Canadian694x4** · 10-24-2004, 08:31 PM

Wow, that's pretty neat. Thanks for sharing those Pics!

**JIMs70GMC** · 10-25-2004, 06:02 AM

Is your pto on the tranny or transfer case? Looks like the transfer case. Have you ever had to replace the u-joints in the pto driveshafts?

One last thing, could you give a brief discription of operation?

**D.PASSMORE** · 10-25-2004, 07:45 AM

This is a good one, intresting stuff. Could you please post some pictures of the X-fer case and transmission. Also, like it was mentioned, a description of how it is operated. Thanks alot!

BLAZERMAN · 10-25-2004, 06:50 PM

Here's some pics of a Ramsey pto winch that was dealer installed on a 71 burb, this one had the in cab controls but I lost the pics of them.

Please excuse the use of lift blocks on the front, this was not my burb.

ChebyCheyenne · 10-25-2004, 09:24 PM

The PTO runns off the transfer case. To engage it, you must put the transfer case in N then the tranny in N. There is a knob under the dash just to the right of the collum, pull that out and that engages the PTO. Then using R and D, that brings the cable either in or out. Ill try and get some more pictures soon.

matt

**JIMs70GMC** · 10-26-2004, 06:55 PM

Thanks!

BobS · 10-26-2004, 11:53 PM

Thanks for the pics!

Bob

**JIMs70GMC** · 11-03-2004, 04:21 PM

Any pics of the PTO?

**JIMs70GMC** · 11-06-2004, 04:35 PM

ttt

Rod · 11-06-2004, 09:24 PM

I had this pic saved on a NP205 Chelsea PTO.

**JIMs70GMC** · 11-06-2004, 10:01 PM

That's a pretty new one. The two old ones I have don't have the covers for checking backlash.

Rod · 11-06-2004, 11:16 PM

I have a older NP 205 pto also...but not selling it.

**JIMs70GMC** · 11-07-2004, 02:37 PM

Here's the two I have:

I want to run this one upside down like this:

Here's the one for an NP435 single gear:

10-22-2004, 02:34 PM	#1
BobS Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Central Minnesota Posts: 568	Dealer-installed PTO winch/bumper? Does anyone have one? Ever seen one? I know they were more common in the 50s and 60s, just wondering if there is a "period-correct" setup that would go on our trucks. __________________ V-6....only GMC Trucks have it! 62 GMC W5000 NAPCO-V6 65 GMC 2500 NAPCO Panel-V6 66 GMC 1000-V6 66 GMC 1500-V6 67 GMC K1500-SBC (originally a KM-V6) 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC Suburban C2500 70 Chevy K20-SBC 71 Chevy C30 Longhorn-SBC 72 GMC Suburban C1500-BBC 72 Chevy C10-SBC 72 GMC C5500-ToroFlow Diesel

10-23-2004, 04:06 PM	#3
BobS Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Central Minnesota Posts: 568	This is what a factory installed winch looks like on a 60-66 truck/burb. This shot is from the July 1965 issue of Four Wheeler magazine, written by Peter Kokalis. The entire article is on the 60-66 GMC Truck Site. http://www.6066gmctrucks.org/ Anyone ever seen something similar to this on a 67-72? Bob Attached Images __________________ V-6....only GMC Trucks have it! 62 GMC W5000 NAPCO-V6 65 GMC 2500 NAPCO Panel-V6 66 GMC 1000-V6 66 GMC 1500-V6 67 GMC K1500-SBC (originally a KM-V6) 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC Suburban C2500 70 Chevy K20-SBC 71 Chevy C30 Longhorn-SBC 72 GMC Suburban C1500-BBC 72 Chevy C10-SBC 72 GMC C5500-ToroFlow Diesel Last edited by BobS; 10-23-2004 at 10:45 PM.

10-23-2004, 10:21 PM	#5
BobS Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Central Minnesota Posts: 568	From what I've been able to find about the earlier factory mounted winches was that they were made by Braden, the driveshafts were Spicer and the PTOs were made by Chelsea. Is yours a front mounted or are you talking about the winch in the back? A rear winch for the wrecker would must likely have been installed by the upfitter that built the wrecker. Do you have any pics? Bob __________________ V-6....only GMC Trucks have it! 62 GMC W5000 NAPCO-V6 65 GMC 2500 NAPCO Panel-V6 66 GMC 1000-V6 66 GMC 1500-V6 67 GMC K1500-SBC (originally a KM-V6) 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC Suburban C2500 70 Chevy K20-SBC 71 Chevy C30 Longhorn-SBC 72 GMC Suburban C1500-BBC 72 Chevy C10-SBC 72 GMC C5500-ToroFlow Diesel

10-23-2004, 10:49 PM	#6
BobS Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Central Minnesota Posts: 568	1972C10, Do you know if your friend's winch came with the frame extensions that are shown in the pic? Bob __________________ V-6....only GMC Trucks have it! 62 GMC W5000 NAPCO-V6 65 GMC 2500 NAPCO Panel-V6 66 GMC 1000-V6 66 GMC 1500-V6 67 GMC K1500-SBC (originally a KM-V6) 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC Suburban C2500 70 Chevy K20-SBC 71 Chevy C30 Longhorn-SBC 72 GMC Suburban C1500-BBC 72 Chevy C10-SBC 72 GMC C5500-ToroFlow Diesel

10-24-2004, 06:58 PM	#9
ChebyCheyenne Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 72	I have a PTO winch on my 72, its a Ramsey. sorry the pictures suck. __________________ Truck #1: 1972 Chevrolet K20 Cheyenne Custom Camper SB400, TH400, NP205 Truck #2 1967 Chevrolet C10 Custom Sport Truck 327 small journal, TH400

10-22-2004, 11:55 PM	#2
1972C10 Account Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 2,686	Friend of mine is into Big 4x4 he bought a setup from a forum member awhile back that came off a 67-72

10-23-2004, 11:27 PM	#7
BLAZERMAN Currently Blazerless Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: St. Joseph Mo. Posts: 4,828	Dealer installed winches could be Braden, Ramsey or the Koenig King, I have seen several Ramsey winches that were dealer installed and should have some pics somewhere.

10-24-2004, 05:41 AM	#8
1972C10 Account Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 2,686	His was on a kinda cow killer type bumper it was a very old and crude one at that. It was a braden winch. Attachhed to an NP205 He got the propshafts and everything.

10-24-2004, 07:17 PM	#10
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	Those pics are great, how about some shots of the pto? __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

10-24-2004, 07:24 PM	#11
BobS Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Central Minnesota Posts: 568	Thanks for posting those pics, it shows really well how the driveshaft is routed. The winches mounted up higher and behind the bumper must have had the driveshafts going through the front crossmember or at least very close to the bottom of it. __________________ V-6....only GMC Trucks have it! 62 GMC W5000 NAPCO-V6 65 GMC 2500 NAPCO Panel-V6 66 GMC 1000-V6 66 GMC 1500-V6 67 GMC K1500-SBC (originally a KM-V6) 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC Suburban C2500 70 Chevy K20-SBC 71 Chevy C30 Longhorn-SBC 72 GMC Suburban C1500-BBC 72 Chevy C10-SBC 72 GMC C5500-ToroFlow Diesel

10-24-2004, 07:46 PM	#12
ChebyCheyenne Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 72	I went outside and got some more pics for ya. The best i could do lying on the ground. __________________ Truck #1: 1972 Chevrolet K20 Cheyenne Custom Camper SB400, TH400, NP205 Truck #2 1967 Chevrolet C10 Custom Sport Truck 327 small journal, TH400

10-24-2004, 08:31 PM	#13
Canadian694x4 Born To Lose Club Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta/Oxenden, Ontario, Great White North Posts: 13,307	Wow, that's pretty neat. Thanks for sharing those Pics! __________________ Brian Smith - "Born To Lose" 1969 Chevrolet K10 LWB Fleetside - Proud Owner For 22 Yrs - 1 of 208 Built & Sold In Canada!- 283 V8/350TH/NP208, 2" All Spring Lift, 32" Good Year MT/R's. 1972 GMC K2500 Custom LWB Fleetside - Proud Owner For 3 Yrs - 1 of 571 Built & Sold In Canada! - 350 V8/SM465/NP205, 4” Rough Country Lift, 33” Interco TSL Thornbirds 2007.5 GMC Sierra SLE 2500HD 4x4 - Proud Owner For 17 Yrs- 6.6L V8 Duramax Diesel/Allison 1000, 2" Lift, 33" Mickey Thompson MTZ's. 2008 Yamaha Raptor 700r - Proud Owner For 15 Yrs - ITP Mud Lites. 2015 John Deere 1025R - Proud Owner For 8 Yrs - 24HP Diesel/H120/54D/260B/SB1154.

10-25-2004, 06:02 AM	#14
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	Is your pto on the tranny or transfer case? Looks like the transfer case. Have you ever had to replace the u-joints in the pto driveshafts? One last thing, could you give a brief discription of operation? __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

10-25-2004, 07:45 AM	#15
D.PASSMORE One of the First Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: St. Augustine,FL. Posts: 4,059	Pto This is a good one, intresting stuff. Could you please post some pictures of the X-fer case and transmission. Also, like it was mentioned, a description of how it is operated. Thanks alot! __________________ DAVID PASSMORE ST AUGUSTINE ,FL ZIP 32084 '71 SWB K/10 CUSTOM DELUXE (Chili) '72 BLAZER K/5 Muscle Truck (Mule) '72 LWB K/20 CHEYENNE (Blackie)

10-25-2004, 06:50 PM	#16
BLAZERMAN Currently Blazerless Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: St. Joseph Mo. Posts: 4,828	Here's some pics of a Ramsey pto winch that was dealer installed on a 71 burb, this one had the in cab controls but I lost the pics of them. Please excuse the use of lift blocks on the front, this was not my burb. Attached Images



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10-25-2004, 09:24 PM	#17
ChebyCheyenne Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 72	The PTO runns off the transfer case. To engage it, you must put the transfer case in N then the tranny in N. There is a knob under the dash just to the right of the collum, pull that out and that engages the PTO. Then using R and D, that brings the cable either in or out. Ill try and get some more pictures soon. matt __________________ Truck #1: 1972 Chevrolet K20 Cheyenne Custom Camper SB400, TH400, NP205 Truck #2 1967 Chevrolet C10 Custom Sport Truck 327 small journal, TH400

10-26-2004, 06:55 PM	#18
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	Thanks! __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

10-26-2004, 11:53 PM	#19
BobS Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Central Minnesota Posts: 568	Thanks for the pics! Bob __________________ V-6....only GMC Trucks have it! 62 GMC W5000 NAPCO-V6 65 GMC 2500 NAPCO Panel-V6 66 GMC 1000-V6 66 GMC 1500-V6 67 GMC K1500-SBC (originally a KM-V6) 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC C1500-V6 68 GMC Suburban C2500 70 Chevy K20-SBC 71 Chevy C30 Longhorn-SBC 72 GMC Suburban C1500-BBC 72 Chevy C10-SBC 72 GMC C5500-ToroFlow Diesel

11-03-2004, 04:21 PM	#20
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	Any pics of the PTO? __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

11-06-2004, 04:35 PM	#21
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	ttt __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

11-06-2004, 09:24 PM	#22
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	I had this pic saved on a NP205 Chelsea PTO. Attached Images __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

11-06-2004, 10:01 PM	#23
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	That's a pretty new one. The two old ones I have don't have the covers for checking backlash. __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

11-06-2004, 11:16 PM	#24
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	I have a older NP 205 pto also...but not selling it. Attached Images __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

11-07-2004, 02:37 PM	#25
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	Here's the two I have: I want to run this one upside down like this: Here's the one for an NP435 single gear: __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

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