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DM310 · 03-08-2005, 02:16 PM

Is it possible to lay frame when putting airbags on the trailing arm where the orginal coil was? I would also think you would need at least 2" lowering blocks too, right? Thanks

hotrodhomi · 03-08-2005, 02:41 PM

on what?

DM310 · 03-08-2005, 03:36 PM

Oh sorry about that. This would be for a 63 c10 short bed

XXL · 03-08-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DM310

Is it possible to lay frame when putting airbags on the trailing arm where the orginal coil was? I would also think you would need at least 2" lowering blocks too, right? Thanks

Nope. You've actually got a fairly long way to go before you even get the rocker on the ground... which is below the frame line.

fastbagged68 · 03-08-2005, 05:55 PM

Yes it is possible! I have it done on mine! I will take pics tonight when I go to my shop. I have a 3 inch block, inboarded the trailing arm brackets on my rearend about 1.5", I am running f9000 on the trailing arms in the stock location. I will post some pics of what I have tonight.

DM310 · 03-08-2005, 08:02 PM

Sounds great, thanks

smokekiki · 03-09-2005, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbagged68

Yes it is possible! I have it done on mine! I will take pics tonight when I go to my shop. I have a 3 inch block, inboarded the trailing arm brackets on my rearend about 1.5", I am running f9000 on the trailing arms in the stock location. I will post some pics of what I have tonight.

I would assume that You have a c-notch?DM310 didn't say how much work he wanted to do to get it to lay.

DM310 · 03-09-2005, 02:14 PM

I am willing to do what it takes, just wanted to see if I could use the stock trailing arms or not.

XXL · 03-09-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by smokekiki

I would assume that You have a c-notch?DM310 didn't say how much work he wanted to do to get it to lay.

That's kind of what I was thinking. With an interest in putting the bags in the stock coil location, it's easy to ASSume that you wouldn't be interested in major frame notch, "inboarding" rearend mounts, and so on. Oh well

wannabeburbowner · 03-15-2005, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbagged68

Yes it is possible! I have it done on mine! I will take pics tonight when I go to my shop. I have a 3 inch block, inboarded the trailing arm brackets on my rearend about 1.5", I am running f9000 on the trailing arms in the stock location. I will post some pics of what I have tonight.

I am all new to this stuff and plan on dropping my 71 c10. What do you mean by inboarded?? Can you take some pictures of your set-up from underneath the truck?? That way I can better understand your set-up.

Thanks,

Travis

fastbagged68 · 03-09-2005, 03:06 AM

I forgot to take pics. I will have some by friday.

ehjorten · 03-09-2005, 03:57 PM

Hey fastbagged68;

What kind of mods did you have to do to the front-end to get it that low? Just dropped spindles and bags, or is it more involved that this?

fastbagged68 · 03-09-2005, 07:27 PM

To get my front that low I did 2inch crossmember drop, Bill Turner Control arms, 2.5" drop spindles. The lower control arms will get you that low on a small 20" wheel. My shop truck layed frame with out a raised crossmember, only bags, drop spindles and lower control arms

DM310 · 03-09-2005, 07:33 PM

Just for fyi I am planning on z' ing the frame 3-4" up front. I actually just got off the phone w/ jason at ***************** to place my order for my bag set-up. I ordered kit #4.

fastbagged68 · 03-09-2005, 07:43 PM

I personaly would not Z your frame. It is not necesary to get these to lay out. Our shop truck layed the body on the ground on 27" tall tires. All it had was lower control arms, bags and 2.5" drop spindle.

DM310 · 03-09-2005, 07:57 PM

but whats the cost of the arms and spindles compared to some spare metal and labor? I dont really see any down sides to z' ing the frame. From what I have seen, lower arms are around $200-400 right? Then spindles are another $200 plus you have to buy the brake kit so theres another $400+. If money was not a option then yes I would go that route. I eventually want to run a 22" rim so that is my main reason for z' ing the frame

fastbagged68 · 03-09-2005, 08:03 PM

Do you have disc brakes now? When you z the frame there is alot of measuring = more place for errors. The cars that I have been in that have been Z'ed were not that strong after. The doors didn't fit for one. You need to run drop spindles to lay out otherwise your truck will probably never get your alignment right. You will have so much camber.

DM310 · 03-09-2005, 08:21 PM

No i still have drums right now. I dont see z' ing that hard. As long as you messure twice and cut once you should be good to go. I dont see how z' ing the frame would affect door alignment unless the frame was twisted. Eventually I will need spindles but right now I should be fine w/ the size tire/rims i have now. With the set-up you have right now, do you think you could lay out the frame (not rockers) w/ 22" rims? Thanks for your input

fastbagged68 · 03-09-2005, 08:26 PM

I know I could lay frame on 22's not a problem. My rear tires is 29.5" tall. I set up my air system to have a little air left in the bag when layed out. The front tires is a 245-40-20. I have room to go lower if I want to. In that pic it is not all the way down. the front is 28inch tall. I'm sure i could find some small 22's tires. 265-35-22. Remeber hood hinges will be a problem when going this low. How many 63-66 have you seen this low with a hood that functioned....not a lift off. Mine will be the right way.

DM310 · 03-09-2005, 08:37 PM

Sounds great! That was another question I was going to ask you about the hood hinges. How is yours set up? Well if I was going to go the route you did, what arms would you recommend? What type of mods did you have to do to the steering and motor mounts w/ the 2" crossmember?

fastbagged68 · 03-09-2005, 08:54 PM

The lower control arms I can fab up. My partner and I are in the process of making a jig for the arms. You don't need the 2inch crossmember drop. Just the 1.25" is fine. My crossmember is higher then my frame rails. Hood hinges I will be doing in a few weeks. Probably are going to use my stock one but will be modify alot. I am finishing up a crossmember for a customer on this board right now. He is planning on running 22's or 23 on his truck. The steering mods are minor, but you could buy a rack an pinion for pretty cheap and make it even easier to do the drop.

fishmunger · 03-09-2005, 09:29 PM

i dont understand about the hood hinges? how come they dont work when layed out? also, how low can you go until the hinges dont work? with a 25 inch tall tire up front with drop spindles and bags would i have to mess with the hinges? thanks

fastbagged68 · 03-10-2005, 03:27 AM

If you are laying frame and don't have the correct wheel backspacing your tire will be hitting your hood hinge when layed out. 25 inch tall tire I dont see a problem though.... but don't take my word go out and measure it.

ehjorten · 03-10-2005, 12:18 PM

Hey there again fastbagged68!

Wondered if you had any input on my question on this forum about C5 brakes on our rides? Anyone ever do it? Don't know YET how the ECE drop spindles will adapt to C5 brakes.

fastbagged68 · 03-10-2005, 12:44 PM

ehjorten....I have no clue about c5 brakeswith ece drop spindles. Give ECE a call they are really helpful!

03-08-2005, 02:16 PM	#1
DM310 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 256	Laying frame w/ airbag in org. coil location? Is it possible to lay frame when putting airbags on the trailing arm where the orginal coil was? I would also think you would need at least 2" lowering blocks too, right? Thanks Last edited by DM310; 03-08-2005 at 03:59 PM.

03-08-2005, 05:55 PM	#5
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	Yes it is possible! I have it done on mine! I will take pics tonight when I go to my shop. I have a 3 inch block, inboarded the trailing arm brackets on my rearend about 1.5", I am running f9000 on the trailing arms in the stock location. I will post some pics of what I have tonight. Attached Images

03-09-2005, 03:57 PM	#12
ehjorten Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA, U.S.A. Posts: 32	Hey fastbagged68; What kind of mods did you have to do to the front-end to get it that low? Just dropped spindles and bags, or is it more involved that this? __________________ '68 Chevy Stepside in Frame-up Restoration process. 292 CID Clifford Performance Modified T56 6-speed Tranny Slammed, Custom IFS and IRS Money?...Too Much!

03-10-2005, 12:18 PM	#24
ehjorten Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA, U.S.A. Posts: 32	Hey there again fastbagged68! Wondered if you had any input on my question on this forum about C5 brakes on our rides? Anyone ever do it? Don't know YET how the ECE drop spindles will adapt to C5 brakes. __________________ '68 Chevy Stepside in Frame-up Restoration process. 292 CID Clifford Performance Modified T56 6-speed Tranny Slammed, Custom IFS and IRS Money?...Too Much!

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03-08-2005, 02:41 PM	#2
hotrodhomi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,737	on what?

03-08-2005, 03:36 PM	#3
DM310 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 256	Oh sorry about that. This would be for a 63 c10 short bed

03-08-2005, 08:02 PM	#6
DM310 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 256	Sounds great, thanks

03-09-2005, 02:14 PM	#8
DM310 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 256	I am willing to do what it takes, just wanted to see if I could use the stock trailing arms or not.

03-09-2005, 03:06 AM	#11
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	I forgot to take pics. I will have some by friday.

03-09-2005, 07:27 PM	#13
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	To get my front that low I did 2inch crossmember drop, Bill Turner Control arms, 2.5" drop spindles. The lower control arms will get you that low on a small 20" wheel. My shop truck layed frame with out a raised crossmember, only bags, drop spindles and lower control arms

03-09-2005, 07:33 PM	#14
DM310 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 256	Just for fyi I am planning on z' ing the frame 3-4" up front. I actually just got off the phone w/ jason at ***************** to place my order for my bag set-up. I ordered kit #4.

03-09-2005, 07:43 PM	#15
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	I personaly would not Z your frame. It is not necesary to get these to lay out. Our shop truck layed the body on the ground on 27" tall tires. All it had was lower control arms, bags and 2.5" drop spindle.

03-09-2005, 07:57 PM	#16
DM310 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 256	but whats the cost of the arms and spindles compared to some spare metal and labor? I dont really see any down sides to z' ing the frame. From what I have seen, lower arms are around $200-400 right? Then spindles are another $200 plus you have to buy the brake kit so theres another $400+. If money was not a option then yes I would go that route. I eventually want to run a 22" rim so that is my main reason for z' ing the frame

03-09-2005, 08:03 PM	#17
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	Do you have disc brakes now? When you z the frame there is alot of measuring = more place for errors. The cars that I have been in that have been Z'ed were not that strong after. The doors didn't fit for one. You need to run drop spindles to lay out otherwise your truck will probably never get your alignment right. You will have so much camber.



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03-09-2005, 08:21 PM	#18
DM310 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 256	No i still have drums right now. I dont see z' ing that hard. As long as you messure twice and cut once you should be good to go. I dont see how z' ing the frame would affect door alignment unless the frame was twisted. Eventually I will need spindles but right now I should be fine w/ the size tire/rims i have now. With the set-up you have right now, do you think you could lay out the frame (not rockers) w/ 22" rims? Thanks for your input

03-09-2005, 08:26 PM	#19
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	I know I could lay frame on 22's not a problem. My rear tires is 29.5" tall. I set up my air system to have a little air left in the bag when layed out. The front tires is a 245-40-20. I have room to go lower if I want to. In that pic it is not all the way down. the front is 28inch tall. I'm sure i could find some small 22's tires. 265-35-22. Remeber hood hinges will be a problem when going this low. How many 63-66 have you seen this low with a hood that functioned....not a lift off. Mine will be the right way.

03-09-2005, 08:37 PM	#20
DM310 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 256	Sounds great! That was another question I was going to ask you about the hood hinges. How is yours set up? Well if I was going to go the route you did, what arms would you recommend? What type of mods did you have to do to the steering and motor mounts w/ the 2" crossmember?

03-09-2005, 08:54 PM	#21
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	The lower control arms I can fab up. My partner and I are in the process of making a jig for the arms. You don't need the 2inch crossmember drop. Just the 1.25" is fine. My crossmember is higher then my frame rails. Hood hinges I will be doing in a few weeks. Probably are going to use my stock one but will be modify alot. I am finishing up a crossmember for a customer on this board right now. He is planning on running 22's or 23 on his truck. The steering mods are minor, but you could buy a rack an pinion for pretty cheap and make it even easier to do the drop.

03-09-2005, 09:29 PM	#22
fishmunger Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CA Posts: 411	i dont understand about the hood hinges? how come they dont work when layed out? also, how low can you go until the hinges dont work? with a 25 inch tall tire up front with drop spindles and bags would i have to mess with the hinges? thanks

03-10-2005, 03:27 AM	#23
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	If you are laying frame and don't have the correct wheel backspacing your tire will be hitting your hood hinge when layed out. 25 inch tall tire I dont see a problem though.... but don't take my word go out and measure it.

03-10-2005, 12:44 PM	#25
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	ehjorten....I have no clue about c5 brakeswith ece drop spindles. Give ECE a call they are really helpful!

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