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bigcarguy · 07-18-2002, 10:16 PM

When my truck is cool it is easy for the engine to turn over. The problem is that after I drive it around for a while, it can barely turn itself over. I thought maybe the alternator was bad, but the truck cranks fine when it's not hot. A friend of mine said that the starter might be my problem, but I put a new starter on there sometime last year. We replaced the starter, but we kept the old solenoid because the parts place gave us the wrong one and we didn't have time to go back. My question is this, would getting a remote mount solenoid from Summit do the trick, or do I just need a new solenoid? The remote mount solenoid is only like $25 so it wouldn't be much, but I was wondering if that'd do the trick.

my new 72 · 07-18-2002, 10:19 PM

The remote mount solenoid would probably do the trick The heat from the manifolds gets to the starter, and causes it to kind of heat bind. Since the coils are hot it takes more juice to turn over. A starter heat shield does the trick too, or you could carry a bottle of water with you to pour over the starter when it's too hot.

**68 Stepside** · 07-18-2002, 10:19 PM

Are you sure it's starter heat soak? to be sure, get the truck hot, then throw a bucket of water on the starter, and try to start it. If that works, a remote solenoid would be the route I'd go.

If that doesn't work, check your timing....make sure it's in spec.....

TJ

junkyardjohn · 07-18-2002, 10:36 PM

I'VE HAD TO PUT A STARTER HEAT SHEILD ON BOTH OF MY TRUCKS. IT SEMS LIKE WITH HEADERS THEY GET HOT AWFUL QUICK.

robby · 07-18-2002, 11:26 PM

If the timing is too far advanced it will crank slow when hot but run well once you get it started. Worth a check.

chevyman 68 C/10 · 07-19-2002, 07:08 AM

Header wrap woks great to keep the heat away from your starter

Longhorn Man · 07-19-2002, 07:10 AM

Header wrap (wrapped on the header its self) will destroy the headers in 1/2 the life span of unwrapped headers.
You could wrap the starter its self, but then it could over head when your cranking over and over.

damage · 07-19-2002, 07:13 AM

Like robby said, if the timing is too far advanced it will be harder to turn the engine over. Same goes with it not set high enough, the engine will spin like there are no plugs in it at all...

RodC · 07-19-2002, 11:20 AM

Pull your coil wire, if it is your timming, this will keep it from firing. Then try to turn it over when it is hot. If it turns easy, timing is too far advanced.

*Randy70C-10* · 07-19-2002, 11:39 AM

Rod, that's so simple I don't know why I never thought of it.

All this time I've been turning the distributor back to see of that's the problem. That damn bolt can be a pain to get to sometimes.

bigcarguy · 07-19-2002, 12:08 PM

I have an HEI unit on my truck, so I can't pull the coil wire. It's only hard to turn when it's hot, otherwise it's easy to get it to turn over.

RodC · 07-19-2002, 01:07 PM

If you have HEI just disconnect the plug on the side of the cap, remove cap, remove all plugwires etc. Just a thought.....

07-18-2002, 10:16 PM	#1
bigcarguy Finally a Bulldawg Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 220	Swift kick to the nads needed to start hot truck When my truck is cool it is easy for the engine to turn over. The problem is that after I drive it around for a while, it can barely turn itself over. I thought maybe the alternator was bad, but the truck cranks fine when it's not hot. A friend of mine said that the starter might be my problem, but I put a new starter on there sometime last year. We replaced the starter, but we kept the old solenoid because the parts place gave us the wrong one and we didn't have time to go back. My question is this, would getting a remote mount solenoid from Summit do the trick, or do I just need a new solenoid? The remote mount solenoid is only like $25 so it wouldn't be much, but I was wondering if that'd do the trick. __________________ Ah yes, the college life. School all morning, work all night, study when ya can. Uh...

07-18-2002, 10:19 PM	#2
my new 72 faster, faster, faster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston ,Texas ,USA Posts: 1,354	The remote mount solenoid would probably do the trick The heat from the manifolds gets to the starter, and causes it to kind of heat bind. Since the coils are hot it takes more juice to turn over. A starter heat shield does the trick too, or you could carry a bottle of water with you to pour over the starter when it's too hot. __________________ I'm going to Law School, wanna debate? It's good practice.

07-18-2002, 10:19 PM	#3
68 Stepside huh? Join Date: May 2000 Location: Washington, Illinois Posts: 5,692	Are you sure it's starter heat soak? to be sure, get the truck hot, then throw a bucket of water on the starter, and try to start it. If that works, a remote solenoid would be the route I'd go. If that doesn't work, check your timing....make sure it's in spec..... TJ __________________ Someday when I'm lonely, Wishing you weren't so far away, Then I will remember Things we said today. RIP El Jay

07-18-2002, 10:36 PM	#4
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,427	I'VE HAD TO PUT A STARTER HEAT SHEILD ON BOTH OF MY TRUCKS. IT SEMS LIKE WITH HEADERS THEY GET HOT AWFUL QUICK. __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

07-18-2002, 11:26 PM	#5
robby Semper Fidelis Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cedar City, Utah Posts: 654	If the timing is too far advanced it will crank slow when hot but run well once you get it started. Worth a check. __________________ 72 Chevy C 20 with 402 For sale 85 GMC K2500 83 Trans Am Cedar City, Utah (Missouri Native)

07-19-2002, 07:08 AM	#6
chevyman 68 C/10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Gilmer, Texas USA Posts: 313	Header wrap woks great to keep the heat away from your starter __________________ 69 Chevy short fleet side soon to have LT1 and 4L60E pb. ps cruise and air. 68 Chevy short fleet side 400 sb 5 inch chop top pb. ps. pw. 350 auto and shaved handles 68 anniversary no engine long wheel base 400 auto FOR SALE 68 Chevy fleet side long wheel base complete parts truck.

07-19-2002, 07:10 AM	#7
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Header wrap (wrapped on the header its self) will destroy the headers in 1/2 the life span of unwrapped headers. You could wrap the starter its self, but then it could over head when your cranking over and over.

07-19-2002, 07:13 AM	#8
damage Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 82	Like robby said, if the timing is too far advanced it will be harder to turn the engine over. Same goes with it not set high enough, the engine will spin like there are no plugs in it at all...

07-19-2002, 11:20 AM	#9
RodC Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Fairmont WV Posts: 304	Pull your coil wire, if it is your timming, this will keep it from firing. Then try to turn it over when it is hot. If it turns easy, timing is too far advanced. __________________ Rod Childers '71 C10 Stepside

07-19-2002, 11:39 AM	#10
Randy70C-10 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. U.S.A. Posts: 15,320	Rod, that's so simple I don't know why I never thought of it. All this time I've been turning the distributor back to see of that's the problem. That damn bolt can be a pain to get to sometimes.

07-19-2002, 12:08 PM	#11
bigcarguy Finally a Bulldawg Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 220	I have an HEI unit on my truck, so I can't pull the coil wire. It's only hard to turn when it's hot, otherwise it's easy to get it to turn over. __________________ Ah yes, the college life. School all morning, work all night, study when ya can. Uh...

07-19-2002, 01:07 PM	#12
RodC Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Fairmont WV Posts: 304	If you have HEI just disconnect the plug on the side of the cap, remove cap, remove all plugwires etc. Just a thought..... __________________ Rod Childers '71 C10 Stepside

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