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To The Levy
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Point dist/external regulator....?
I am wondering how many early trucks out there are still carting around with the point type ignition and externaly regulated alternators, Lets see the hands . Come on dont be shy. I think that one of the best things you can do to these trucks is to change out the distributor(Doesnt need to be some high dollar mallory or excell or ???) but just good ole H.E.I, so simple to install and they work so well, if you find one, might be valueable to change the pickup coil, Module and cap and rotor, delete your resistor wire on the "r" side of the starter up , and run you a ignition hot wire directly to the battery side of the coil and your off...... also...... Why mess with those Externaly mounted regulators? So much more efficient to change over to later model, like a 75 year model or whatever fancy's you, they even have the wireless alternators, but keep in mind they wont charge at all at Idle, so beware with those, Those too are so easy to install and make work with minimal problems.... I would wonder if anyone has issues with changing these due to originality issues, or ?????? let me know I am just curious
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
You 're new here I can tell.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I guess I need 1,749 post before I am considered part of the group or not new huh? hmmmmmmmmm. I guess its a harley thing
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Wrenchin & Sandin!!!
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
Now why would you say that? ![]() Anyway back to your question.....I changed out my dizzy for the HEI right after I got the truck. Noticed the difference right away. Just changed out my alt for an internal reg 92amp. Both swaps were well worth it IMO and purty darn easy! ![]()
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
Thanks Draggn66, was that difficult? I was just curious , 92 thats a pretty high amperage , nice choice
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
Im a points guy! Not a fan of hei's I think it is I just dont like electronics. I sell the hei's every time I get one and everyone gives me there points distributors which make me happy. I do use external regulated alternators but dont use the relay style control regulator. I use the cheap electronic version that looks just like the old version. I know it sounds like I am conterdicting myself but I cant find decent mechanical regulators so I have no choice but use the electronic ones. Mine is somewhat originality but I am just happy with the origianl technology. Call me old fashioned or stuburn, thats just me.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I guess I made a remark that was totaly uncalled for , I guess I shouldnt let remarks get to me, I dont have anything against harley's or the people that ride em , hell I would be proud to own one, Its just certain comments could be left out. I guess if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I am still running points and externally regulated alternator, eventually i may change to HEI but i like points there simple.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I got my truck a year ago but it's been apart most of time. It's still got the point style dizzy and the external regulator. Is it hard to change those two out? Any threads out there on how to do it? Oh and yeah I am kinda new here. Thanks.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
What was said above was just a joke. Lighten up a little. Most of us have converted our distributors & alternators & have talked about the conversions over & over. Nobody was picking on you...Welcome to the site...
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I still have a points distributor (with Mallory coil) on the L6 292 in my '68 C/10 Stepside. I have put HEIs on V8s, first in the 454 on a '67 K/10 Suburban, then cannibalized it for the 350 in my '71 K/5 Jimmy. Just lately I had to swap it out for a Mallory billet HEI. Points may need to be changed out periodically, but I've done a lot more messing with HEI systems, changing out modules, coils, rotors, caps, flyweights, springs, Vac cans, etc., than I ever had to do with the old points set up. Last HEI distr wouldn't retract the mech advance weights. No problems with the new Mallory unit yet. [Except that their "High Performance" coil wouldn't fit under the firewall, so I had to use a stock type cap.]
For my 292, I have a Pertronix Ignitor II system waiting on the shelf. Still find it a lot easier to tune up with new points, though. Old dog, new tricks. As far as the external regulators: I still prefer the old school.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
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I'm not heading anywhere on a harley in this weather LOL I pm'd HVY and explained my reply.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I ran my six popper with points for about 6 years. Never had any issues with it.
When I dropped the 350 in I started off with HEI. Still have the damn ext. reg. It will be swapped for an int. reg alt. as soon as I figure out what parts I need ![]()
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
Yeah, I would have to agree, there probably have been many posts regarding these swaps (like vettevet indicated in pm's) I overreacted to him and thought it was lashing out, well I am new at this sight, I have been a professional automotive tech for over 23 years and sorta took offense to a comment and would like to apologize to him for it, I already sent him a pm's but would liked all to know that I read more into the lines, and will relax like some say I should....... lets have fun I like the sight alot and wouldnt want to offend anyone.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
hvychve,we all tend to treat each other like the co-workers in the shop.We all make mistakes or say something dumb once in a while and everyone rags on us about it a little.I think that's what happened here.Many of the members with the number of posts you have listed lurked for months before they joined and I guess we all take for granted sometimes that everyone understands that we play like that.I can only recall a handful of times I've ever seen anyone on this BB say something like that,that it was meant in an offensive way.Usually the ones who did it no longer come around.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
Just changed to HEI and internal regulator this year.
That was only after the external regulator died and I didn't feel like changing points.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I just finished putting a 1995 Cadillac 140 amp alternator in my truck today,along with the headlight relays.Next I will be putting a D.U.I. dizzy in my truck as soon as I get the crossmember swapped out.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
Still plugging away with points and original regulator, but the HEI is going in soon and I've heard that those relay-style regulators don't work so well with HEI, but I've yet to read up on any of that. The plan is to rewind and upgrade the original alternator or maybe go with a CS alternator.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I took the plunge and forked over $80+ for one of them pertronix things that goes in where the points were.Worked ok (NO discernible difference or gain over the old points.) Then one day I left the ignition in the "on" position while I did a job and the damn thing was cooked. I put the points back in and am happy with them. Still use old regulator too.
I've heard the new Pertronix II doesn't fry if left on,but I don't know and don't really care.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
WorkingLonghorn, I can relate on that , I always wondered ,what guys are doing with those accels or mallorys, and if they break down on the road, is your autozone or carquest going to have parts available ? I have done that a few times, but it was on a customers car with points, if the points are closed and key left on, it cooks the coil. I have replaced a many coils with that mistake....
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
I heard it can burn the points too if they're in the slightly open position when you leave the key on. I don't drive my truck but maybe 3500 a year so points are ok for me. All this newfangled electrical stuff seems to just create problems,at least in an older vehicle.
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Re: Point dist/external regulator....?
HEI I converted to. To be honest, I didn't notice much change... but whatever. Maybe it'll bail me out of something in the future that the points set up wouldn't have. As for the external regulator, I still have that. Don't really see a point to changing it. The alternator needs replacing, but the regulator is fine. No need for me to change it, and the regulator doesn't take up enough room to be considered a space hog. I'll probably do it eventually, it just doesn't seem like an essential.
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