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MIG Welders
Would this be a good welder for working on my truck? http://www.airgas.com/browse/product...&WT.svl=162968
i'm looking for one since i have no idea how to weld, and my father hasn't since high school (class of 72) Thanks
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Re: MIG Welders
I'm no weld master but you really can't go wrong with miller, lincoln or hobart. BTW Hobart is made by Miller and is cheaper. I guess it is kind of like cavalier and the corvette. Made by the same people and do the same thing but one is nicer.
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Re: MIG Welders
If you are doing chassis work, I would suggest something in the range of 170 amp or bigger , but for the tin work, & lite fab the one you show will work fine for you. I ran an sp 100 lincoln for my tin work for a long time, & just picked up a 200 amp Lincoln for the heavy stuff(that one ROCKS!). I have done a little tin work with the 200, but no lighter than 16 guage. crazyL
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Re: MIG Welders
Cant go wrong with the Miller brand. I would suggest a bigger welder though. Ive got a Millermatic 251 and a Millermatic 180 with autoset. The 180 is just about perfect for any job you tackle working on your truck. The autoset makes it a great welder for a beginer as well.
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This is very true, but Having welded with Hobart machines, I wont use them for anything that is important. I dont like the way they carry an arc.
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Re: MIG Welders
I have a millermatic 180 and i love it to death! Eventually i would like to get something bigger but this is plenty for majority of the work i do. I would definately recommend it. Good luck with your purchase.
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Re: MIG Welders
I am new at this but my Brother helped me out. He knows nothing about cars but his job is a welding application engineer. He works National welders. Most of the stuff he does is automated. Anyway I showed him how I had to stich weld the pannels to keep from heat warping them. He of course said right away somthing very simular to whay MrBeast said but when I looked at my buget it just did not work out. We talked about it for awhile and final agreed a a small 110v could do it. Fact is with 18ga steel I am never above 50% max power and since I tac move tac move I don't seem to have a issue.
The big issue with buget and a mig welder is that you think the welder is the major cost, well its only about half. Lincoln 135T $325 Cheap Cart $49 Argon Tank 60CF $119 Cheap auto darkening helmet $49 Leather Apron, gloves $35 11 lb spool .023 wire $28 Fill the tank $21 Assorted clamp $60 (just starting) Other tools $30 Thats over $700 and I know I am forgeting something. Most of that stuff was gotten at a discount. BTW: don't bother with the Harbor Freight welders. I tried one. I was just loading the wire in the lincoln and I knew there was no comparison. I know the 110 machines have a bad wrap but I really like mine.
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Re: MIG Welders
I have a lincoln sp135 plus. I have welded alot with it and have never had a problem, I've welded work benches, a cart for the back of a rv, body panels etc. I am going to upgrade to a 220volt in the future, but there is nothing wrong with a 110volt for what most of us do. It was a good investment, you are pretty close on the price I paid 325.00 for welder, 200 for auto helmet and 110 for bottle filled free the first time 20 thereafter, I just use 8.00 leather gloves, don't like welding gloves to bulky. One thing to look at is which stinger fits in your hand better, I welded with a miller 180 and couldn't stand the stinger, but feel more comfy with my lincoln. Also look for one with infinite wire speed and amp range, so you have better control. Good Luck
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Well, I am a welder for a living so might I make some strong sugjestions here, The machine you are looking at there has a 20% duty cycle. That means if you weld for 2 minutes, you have to let it rest for 8 to recover. If you exceed the duty cycle, the transformer will over heat, and it will produce innacurate voltages, and thus the heat will change and your welds will get messed up, you will experience burn throughs and mess things up and wind up redoing it.
I would sufice to say that machine is too light for what you want to do. If you are only planning on doing this truck, then you could look at getting the Millermatic 180, which is a good welder, it has a 30% duty cycle, but it has a much higher amperage rating. Thus you can weld longer with it, but it is still a light duty welder. Now, if you are going to be doing a lot of welding, and you want todo your project right, I would highly sugjest a Miller 212, Cyber weld has them for $1,434.00 Yes it is twice what you were looking at spending, the flip side is, it is a real machine that many fab shops use, It will spit wire on a 60% Duty cycle, running at 160 amps! If you have any other welding questions feel free to ask me.
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FCAW is a good process for doing what we do because it comes with a flux core that as you are welding becomes molten, floats to the surface of the weld, and serves to shape and cool the weld for a better weldment. This is extremely useful in the overhead and vertical welding positions.
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Re: MIG Welders
Funny I should run across this thread because lately I've been thinking of picking up a welder and trying my hand at filling up some trim holes and other small sheetmetal type jobs. So I'll ask the "experts" here on this forum! How does this welder look for a rookie welder like myself? I'll probably only work on sheetmetal with the rare bracket or something like that thrown in occassionally.
Opinions and/or recommendations welcome!
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Re: MIG Welders
Friend Of Mine Has A Miller Auto And He Said It's A Good Machine. I Just Bought A Lincoln 135t. It Welds Up To 5/16 And Can Weld Aluminum. Payed Around 500 From Airgas. Have Used The 220 Version And It Was Nice. If I Need Bigger, I Can Borrow From A Buddy Or Two.
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One thing my brother did explain to me was that most of the 110v welders are the same. Really does not matter if its a 90T 100T 125T 135t or 140t. If you look at their real outputs the are all between 88-95 amp machines. Just to double check what he told me I went to Lincolns web site and down loaded the operator manuals for the 100t and 135T. They are almost exactly the same. Power requirment, Power output, they even had the same Wire feed voltage chart.
The T stands for tapped voltage. That means there are 4 setting for voltage A,B,C,D. If you are looking at 140C that means you voltage does not have the steps its completely adjustable. Once you get into the 140C price range it is tuff to justify a 110v welder. Another thing, these are fine for normal 75/25 gas and thats what all your setting data is based on but there is a fad out there in some bodyshops to use the 98/2 shield gas and put a .06 gap between the metal. This process turns you mig into a spray welder. There is very little heat build up and you do not have to stich weld. The 110v machines do not have the power for this.
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As well MIG welding is stupid simple, really you can learn to do it through trial and error, as well spending the 50 bucks to buy an instructional video would be well worth the while. Somthing else you want to think about getting is a good quality auto darken hood, that will make all the difference in the world. As well, if your local college offers night classes, you ought to think about taking some, most will offer a non degree welding class where you can learn how to properly operate a machine. If you have any other questions feel free to ask me, if I dont know the answer I can get you one.
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It is a bit more money, but the few hundred dollars more it will cost is well worth it the first time a couple of years down the road you run into somthing the 180 wont do. As well the 180 is not as adjustable as the 212, it has an autoset speed for the wire, all you do is set the voltatge. When I buy a new wire feed machine I am getting the Millermatic 252 because you can weld aluminum with it. ![]()
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miller 210 here, would not use any thing smaller
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Re: MIG Welders
I have a Lincoln 135 with gas and use easy grind wire, works great on sheet metal. I also have an millermatic 200 for heavier jobs. It just depends on what you are wanting to do. Most of us are just hobbiest so it hard to justify 2000 for a welder we will use little.
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http://www.airgas.com/browse/product...&WT.svl=440142
just bought that little guy a while back dont remember it only having a duty cycle of 30% tho either way its not too often i weld for 3 minutes straight
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I bought the Hobart 180 with CO2 gas bottle and it burns great. I have done sheet metal and this week ran a bead around the ends of my track bar to beef it up. I have a 212 and a 300amp stick at work if I need bigger.
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I LOVE my Hobart beta mig 250!
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