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69trk · 11-09-2008, 07:18 PM

I was wondering what you guys think about me trading my 1969 cst shortbed for this 1970 lemans clone. This car has the original 350 2bbl with power drum brakes. And the ac needs a new compressor. 10bolt with peg leg rear. I just don't know what a lemans clone is worth. He's asking 24,900 for it. I know if it was originally a gto cloned to a judge it would be worth quite a bit. If i did trade i would have to find 400 or a 455 to replace the 350, and convert to disc brakes. I would also have to get the ac working and put a moser rearend under it. I need all the advice i can get because i've always wanted a gto judge clone being i can't ever afford an original. And i've had my truck for 18years and i have alot of memories with it. And my wife won't stand for me keeping both. Also if i dump this kind of money into this gto, would it actually go up more in value than my truck?

69trk · 11-09-2008, 07:24 PM

Here's a couple of more pictures.

72BLUZ · 11-09-2008, 07:27 PM

trading your truck for a clone in my opionion would be a mistake. i like the car but i think your truck is worth alot more than that car. maybe not in dollars but in sentimental value

jholley · 11-09-2008, 07:29 PM

Cool car but you can't haul a washing machine in it.

PHAT TONY · 11-09-2008, 07:43 PM

Sleep on it, and tomorow, don't put your crazy pants on in the morning; you'll miss that little truck

69trk · 11-09-2008, 07:50 PM

You guys are right, mabey if it was a real gto. Thanks swbbigblock for opening my eyes about a lemans with just a paint job on it.

ratrod67 · 11-09-2008, 07:46 PM

That's a hard choice. Your talking about dropping another 8 to 10k into the clone. Either way you will have a nice ride. Just make sure the clone isn't a problem that's looking for a new owner.

1968SWBBigBlock · 11-09-2008, 07:42 PM

It s a nice car but not that nice = they took a 8000 dollar car put a 5000 paint job on it and are asking way to much
FYI - I believe the rear bumper is in correct - I think they are to be chrome from all the 70 Judges I can find on the net
With the economy going south the 1st cars to lose value will be clones so this car is going down and not up
I would list your truck on a few GTO sites and see if you can get someone to bite with a real 70 GTO for a trade
You have a sharp truck that would make an easy trade to the right person
It will take some time but I think I would have to pass - this car is really not a clone - a clone should be 98% correct to the way a legit car was made from the factory

Highsteel · 11-09-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

i've always wanted a ....

Mine is a '70 Chevelle. I'd trade my '71 C/10 for one every day and twice on Sunday, 'cause its what I've always wanted. But I've always settled on something else (2 '71 C/10's, 2 '70 El Camino's, ...) because it was what I could afford.
I've also suffered from 'Greener Grass Syndrome since, well always, lol.
Its all about "what you've always wanted".

allen123 · 11-09-2008, 07:57 PM

I say dont do it just because im in love with your truck
But i do like the GTOs alot

Longhorn Man · 11-09-2008, 08:00 PM

Look into what clones are selling for. They bring stupid money these days. As you pointed out, you'll never be able to afford a real one, in 5 to 10 years, you'll say you can never afford a clone.

*Shane* · 11-09-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

Look into what clones are selling for. They bring stupid money these days. As you pointed out, you'll never be able to afford a real one, in 5 to 10 years, you'll say you can never afford a clone.

x2

big_al_71 · 11-09-2008, 09:03 PM

If the guy gives you the clone and some $$$$ for your truck maybe and it would have to me more than just some $$$$$

67_C-30 · 11-11-2008, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

Look into what clones are selling for. They bring stupid money these days. As you pointed out, you'll never be able to afford a real one, in 5 to 10 years, you'll say you can never afford a clone.

X3

As much as I love these trucks, they are MUCH easier to replace than that car, clone or not.

roughedup72 · 11-09-2008, 08:02 PM

the clone looks good but it doesnt have the hood tach. which I believe all judges had. Don't do it. Your truck is extremely nice and if you wanted a goat you could get one eventually. Your truck is original and not a clone. Clones dont seeem to hold their value and will always be a clone.

72BlckButy · 11-09-2008, 09:08 PM

Cast my vote... and it was to keep your truck.

Unless... you want to sell it!

69trk · 11-09-2008, 09:30 PM

No, i don't want to sell it, just thought about trading for a 69 or 70 gto or one that i can clone to a judge. And if i did trade it will have to be rust free and worth as much as my truck. And these two years of gto's are the only ones that i would trade for. I guess what im trying to say is that it would be hard for me to just let my truck go. Wish i could have both lol.

Jtrux · 11-09-2008, 09:34 PM

I say don't do it. You're gonna have to put a lot of money into it and I don't think that is a fair deal to you.

71swb4x4 · 11-09-2008, 09:34 PM

I didn't vote, because it's just too tough of a decision. If I was in your shoes, I would try to find a way to put both in the garage, but I would have a hard time affording one of those right now.

**70cst** · 11-09-2008, 09:50 PM

A clone is nothing more than a "Fake" or an "imitation" that will never equal the "real" deal. Your truck is an original and I believe they will go up in value. Maybe not the value of a real muscle car but up never the less. I can afford my 70cst BB with all the goodies...but i could not afford a real muscle car. But my 70cst is the real deal and I am happy with my truck. You have truck forums...but do they have clone forums? The LeMans looks nice but it's a Lemans with a new paint job. You got to do what pleases you but you did ask for our advice. As been said...only the clones that are a 98% copy of the real deal are bringing crazy prices. Good Luck.

69trk · 11-09-2008, 09:56 PM

If i dumped 8 to 10k in this car, would it bring crazy prices? Or would it have to start out as a gto? If i did trade and placed 10k in this car i think that i would have around 30k in this car and would it still be a lemans or could i say it's a judge clone?

69trk · 11-09-2008, 10:08 PM

Thanks for the complements and the advise.

HomerJ · 11-10-2008, 01:24 AM

This one took me a long time to decide on (as well as to type all of the text below - sorry for the novel).

My vote is to keep the truck. If you really want a Judge (true or clone), I think you can find one closer to true for that kind of money.

I'm lucky enough to have both a 67 SS (clone) Chevelle and a 67 long/fleet. The Chevelle is very slick and has a load of power, with a 454 and several aftermarket goodies. My truck, which is undergoing fountain-of-youth surgery, probably hasn't been eye-appealing for around 38 years. It has a mildly-warmed-up 350. I miss driving my truck SOOOO much!!!! While I truly love driving my car - getting lots of looks and complements and having tire-smoking power - I seriously miss having my truck. As JHOLLEY pointed out, my Chevelle doesn't do well hauling around large household appliances, nor does it like cruising country roads to go fishing, or rolling through the woods while deer hunting.

While my truck hasn't ever had the eye-candy factor on it's side, I have had a lot of guys approach me and ask/talk about my truck - even in it's oxidized, rusty, beat-up condition. They often say that they had a truck like mine when they were younger and they always regret getting rid of it.

If push came to shove (I hope my wife doesn't ever read this), I would let the Chevelle go in favor of the truck.

HomerJ

67shortie · 11-10-2008, 03:22 AM

Take or leave my opinion, but this is what I would do.

Keep your truck.

Look for a Tempest/GTO that you can buy at a reasonable price that is clean, body, interior etc but with a stock or missing drivetrain and build your car the way you want, and not buy something that is done like that example(very nice, but not the way you really want it sounds like) You can clone it, what ever you want to do with it to personalize it exactly the way you want and still hold posession of the truck. I'm to greedy, I want it all, but I do work hard for what I have. And in the end, I will have no regrets if I felt like I wanted both.

Just my opinion, I did this myself with my truck and it's getting, slowly mind you, where I want it and I still have the Chevelle in the garage too.

thirdstreettito · 11-09-2008, 09:52 PM

I'll trade you my 1981 VW Rabbit Pickup 1.7L Sportruck package(very rare) for your truck.

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11-09-2008, 07:18 PM	#1
69trk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: bridgecreek ok. Posts: 1,214	thinking about trading for a judge clone I was wondering what you guys think about me trading my 1969 cst shortbed for this 1970 lemans clone. This car has the original 350 2bbl with power drum brakes. And the ac needs a new compressor. 10bolt with peg leg rear. I just don't know what a lemans clone is worth. He's asking 24,900 for it. I know if it was originally a gto cloned to a judge it would be worth quite a bit. If i did trade i would have to find 400 or a 455 to replace the 350, and convert to disc brakes. I would also have to get the ac working and put a moser rearend under it. I need all the advice i can get because i've always wanted a gto judge clone being i can't ever afford an original. And i've had my truck for 18years and i have alot of memories with it. And my wife won't stand for me keeping both. Also if i dump this kind of money into this gto, would it actually go up more in value than my truck? Attached Images

11-09-2008, 07:24 PM	#2
69trk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: bridgecreek ok. Posts: 1,214	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone Here's a couple of more pictures. Attached Images

11-09-2008, 07:27 PM	#3
72BLUZ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lafayette, ga. Posts: 832	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone trading your truck for a clone in my opionion would be a mistake. i like the car but i think your truck is worth alot more than that car. maybe not in dollars but in sentimental value __________________ Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.... Ronald Reagan

11-09-2008, 07:29 PM	#4
jholley Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: TX Posts: 737	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone Cool car but you can't haul a washing machine in it. __________________ ------------------------------------------------- Jim Garage fillers... 85 Chevy C10 Silverado LWB 07 Nissan Altima 2006 Mini Cooper S

11-09-2008, 07:43 PM	#5
PHAT TONY Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Red Deer ab canada Posts: 1,250	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone Sleep on it, and tomorow, don't put your crazy pants on in the morning; you'll miss that little truck

11-09-2008, 07:50 PM	#6
69trk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: bridgecreek ok. Posts: 1,214	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone You guys are right, mabey if it was a real gto. Thanks swbbigblock for opening my eyes about a lemans with just a paint job on it.

11-09-2008, 07:46 PM	#7
ratrod67 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 2,270	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone That's a hard choice. Your talking about dropping another 8 to 10k into the clone. Either way you will have a nice ride. Just make sure the clone isn't a problem that's looking for a new owner.

11-09-2008, 07:42 PM	#8
1968SWBBigBlock Active Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,643	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone It s a nice car but not that nice = they took a 8000 dollar car put a 5000 paint job on it and are asking way to much FYI - I believe the rear bumper is in correct - I think they are to be chrome from all the 70 Judges I can find on the net With the economy going south the 1st cars to lose value will be clones so this car is going down and not up I would list your truck on a few GTO sites and see if you can get someone to bite with a real 70 GTO for a trade You have a sharp truck that would make an easy trade to the right person It will take some time but I think I would have to pass - this car is really not a clone - a clone should be 98% correct to the way a legit car was made from the factory __________________ 1968 SWB 454 + .040, 490HP x 540 FT pounds of Torque 10-1 Kb Forged pistons, recon rods w/ ARP wave loc bolts 781 heads Ported with 2.19/1.88 SSTvalves Lunati 60204 cam, Micro Trol lifters, Ported Edelbrock Performer Rpm manifold armor coated, Pertronix Triple Strike Ignition Holley 770 Street Avenger carb,Headers armor coated Built by Watson Ruppel Performance in Sarahsville Ohio. Hardshift Tranny Built Turbo 350,TSI 10" 3000 stall 12 Bolt Eaton Posi 4.10 Richmond Gears moser axles 18.5" x 31" Hoosier Pro Street Radials ET Classic 5 Wheels - polished Power Steering, Power Brakes,Disc Brakes,Tach & Gauge Dash, Tilt,Factory Air (gone) Custom Paint & Body Work Special thanks to my wife, my son and my money tree

11-09-2008, 07:57 PM	#10
allen123 It'll buff out Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Blanchard,Ok Posts: 1,376	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone I say dont do it just because im in love with your truck But i do like the GTOs alot __________________ 1972 Chevy c10 swb 2008 CBR600RR Grafitti edition My Build Cody Allen

11-09-2008, 08:00 PM	#11
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone Look into what clones are selling for. They bring stupid money these days. As you pointed out, you'll never be able to afford a real one, in 5 to 10 years, you'll say you can never afford a clone.

11-09-2008, 09:03 PM	#13
big_al_71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 11,375	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone If the guy gives you the clone and some $$$$ for your truck maybe and it would have to me more than just some $$$$$ __________________ Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please!!!!!. Sylvester's build thread >>>http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ht=big+rebuild

11-09-2008, 08:02 PM	#15
roughedup72 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: south carolina Posts: 658	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone the clone looks good but it doesnt have the hood tach. which I believe all judges had. Don't do it. Your truck is extremely nice and if you wanted a goat you could get one eventually. Your truck is original and not a clone. Clones dont seeem to hold their value and will always be a clone. __________________ 1972 chevy cheyenne 10,nothing special at the moment,Its a work in progress, Working on the engine, paint and body,engine, paint and body,now its the suspenion, ahh hell I'm about tired of working on it. Maybe it will be a rat rod.

11-09-2008, 09:08 PM	#16
72BlckButy Tot Roddin' Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 24,461	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone Cast my vote... and it was to keep your truck. Unless... you want to sell it! __________________ -Nate 1969 CST SWB - Project Blank Slate (4.5/6" ECE Static Drop, 6-lug disc brake upgrade (manual), Billet Specialties Vintec 20x8.5 255/40 (F) 20x10 295/40 (R), 250 I-6) 1960 AMF Skylark - Tot Roddin' (Lowered with custom frame; soon to include custom push bar and interior) 2008 Silverado CrewCab 1LT (5.3L, 3:73, 4x4, LT1, Z-71, Towing Package)

11-09-2008, 09:30 PM	#17
69trk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: bridgecreek ok. Posts: 1,214	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone No, i don't want to sell it, just thought about trading for a 69 or 70 gto or one that i can clone to a judge. And if i did trade it will have to be rust free and worth as much as my truck. And these two years of gto's are the only ones that i would trade for. I guess what im trying to say is that it would be hard for me to just let my truck go. Wish i could have both lol.



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11-09-2008, 09:34 PM	#18
Jtrux I'm a poor spectator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 2,287	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone I say don't do it. You're gonna have to put a lot of money into it and I don't think that is a fair deal to you. __________________ 2006 Jeep Unlimited IMPACT ORANGE 1993 Chevy 2500 4x4 ExCab LWB 454/NV4500 Tow rig 1977 Ford F100 2x4 LWB 1st truck I owned, still have it!!! 1979 Ford F150 4x4 SWB Built Ford Tough!!! 1971 Chevy Blazer 350 / SM465 / NP205 UNDER CONSTRUCTION Soon to have a LQ4 6.0!!!

11-09-2008, 09:34 PM	#19
71swb4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 10,497	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone I didn't vote, because it's just too tough of a decision. If I was in your shoes, I would try to find a way to put both in the garage, but I would have a hard time affording one of those right now. __________________ Some people are like slinkies, they aren't good for anything, but you can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

11-09-2008, 09:50 PM	#20
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,375	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone A clone is nothing more than a "Fake" or an "imitation" that will never equal the "real" deal. Your truck is an original and I believe they will go up in value. Maybe not the value of a real muscle car but up never the less. I can afford my 70cst BB with all the goodies...but i could not afford a real muscle car. But my 70cst is the real deal and I am happy with my truck. You have truck forums...but do they have clone forums? The LeMans looks nice but it's a Lemans with a new paint job. You got to do what pleases you but you did ask for our advice. As been said...only the clones that are a 98% copy of the real deal are bringing crazy prices. Good Luck. __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder!

11-09-2008, 09:56 PM	#21
69trk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: bridgecreek ok. Posts: 1,214	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone If i dumped 8 to 10k in this car, would it bring crazy prices? Or would it have to start out as a gto? If i did trade and placed 10k in this car i think that i would have around 30k in this car and would it still be a lemans or could i say it's a judge clone?

11-09-2008, 10:08 PM	#22
69trk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: bridgecreek ok. Posts: 1,214	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone Thanks for the complements and the advise.

11-10-2008, 01:24 AM	#23
HomerJ Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 222	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone This one took me a long time to decide on (as well as to type all of the text below - sorry for the novel). My vote is to keep the truck. If you really want a Judge (true or clone), I think you can find one closer to true for that kind of money. I'm lucky enough to have both a 67 SS (clone) Chevelle and a 67 long/fleet. The Chevelle is very slick and has a load of power, with a 454 and several aftermarket goodies. My truck, which is undergoing fountain-of-youth surgery, probably hasn't been eye-appealing for around 38 years. It has a mildly-warmed-up 350. I miss driving my truck SOOOO much!!!! While I truly love driving my car - getting lots of looks and complements and having tire-smoking power - I seriously miss having my truck. As JHOLLEY pointed out, my Chevelle doesn't do well hauling around large household appliances, nor does it like cruising country roads to go fishing, or rolling through the woods while deer hunting. While my truck hasn't ever had the eye-candy factor on it's side, I have had a lot of guys approach me and ask/talk about my truck - even in it's oxidized, rusty, beat-up condition. They often say that they had a truck like mine when they were younger and they always regret getting rid of it. If push came to shove (I hope my wife doesn't ever read this), I would let the Chevelle go in favor of the truck. HomerJ __________________ 67 C-10 LWB "Cow-butt-spotted" (neighbor's term) - work in progress. 350/TH400/3.73 67 Chevelle SS Clone 454/TH400/3.73

11-10-2008, 03:22 AM	#24
67shortie Green club Join Date: May 2002 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,059	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone Take or leave my opinion, but this is what I would do. Keep your truck. Look for a Tempest/GTO that you can buy at a reasonable price that is clean, body, interior etc but with a stock or missing drivetrain and build your car the way you want, and not buy something that is done like that example(very nice, but not the way you really want it sounds like) You can clone it, what ever you want to do with it to personalize it exactly the way you want and still hold posession of the truck. I'm to greedy, I want it all, but I do work hard for what I have. And in the end, I will have no regrets if I felt like I wanted both. Just my opinion, I did this myself with my truck and it's getting, slowly mind you, where I want it and I still have the Chevelle in the garage too. __________________ 71 short/fleet ECE 4/6 drop, LQ4/700r4/3.42 gears 70 SS396 Chevelle 427/200-4R/3.73posi 61 Lincoln Continental, black on black Son you are going to drive me to drinkin if you don't stop drivin that hot rod lincoln

11-09-2008, 09:52 PM	#25
thirdstreettito Resident of Here Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL, USA Posts: 7,716	Re: thinking about trading for a judge clone I'll trade you my 1981 VW Rabbit Pickup 1.7L Sportruck package(very rare) for your truck. __________________ ~Bradley~ 2004 Black GTO LS2/T56 too much to list Miss having a truck Last edited by thirdstreettito; 11-09-2008 at 09:53 PM.

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