SMOG LAWS First Calif then Oregon then Your State

[GOPAPA]

Oregon seems to be following suit with what ever California makes into law and I live in Oregon so whats up California ,,are you going to lobby against it ?

California Reintroduces Bill to Require ANNUAL Emissions Tests for Vehicles 15-Years Old and Older

Here they go again! Legislation (A.B. 859) has been reintroduced in the California Assembly by Assemblyman Dave Jones (Assemblymember.jones@assembly.ca.gov) to require annual Smog check inspections for vehicles 15-years old and older.

The bill would also require that funds generated through the additional inspection fees be deposited into an account which can be used to scrap older cars.
You may recall that in 2004 a new law was enacted in California to require the lifetime testing of all 1976 and newer model-year vehicles. Pre-1976 motor vehicles would remain exempt under A.B. 859. The bill has been referred to the Assembly Transportation Committee

[cdowns]

florida no inspections of any kind here

[67ChevyRedneck]

Originally Posted by cdowns

florida no inspections of any kind here

Same here in SC. We'll be just about "last" in any kind of emissions testing requirements

I'm sure I could find a good ole boy shop to hook me up too

[GOPAPA]

Originally Posted by GOPAPA

Oregon seems to be following suit with what ever California makes into law and I live in Oregon so whats up California ,,are you going to lobby against it ?

California Reintroduces Bill to Require ANNUAL Emissions Tests for Vehicles 15-Years Old and Older

Here they go again! Legislation (A.B. 859) has been reintroduced in the California Assembly by Assemblyman Dave Jones (Assemblymember.jones@assembly.ca.gov) to require annual Smog check inspections for vehicles 15-years old and older.

The bill would also require that funds generated through the additional inspection fees be deposited into an account which can be used to scrap older cars.
You may recall that in 2004 a new law was enacted in California to require the lifetime testing of all 1976 and newer model-year vehicles. Pre-1976 motor vehicles would remain exempt under A.B. 859. The bill has been referred to the Assembly Transportation Committee

Let me add that I am for cleaner air ,,but,,,,,,,,,,,,,and

Parts of CA certainly do have air quality issues. The LA basin, the Bay area, and the central valley all have issues, for various reasons. And it is true that air quality initiatives and regulations have improved the quality of the air, at least in the LA basin.

The problem here is that this guy is going after a part of the population that doesn't contribute much to the air quality problem.
Enacting this law will do almost nothing for air quality, and it will cost old and classic car enthusiasts more money, and will stop a lot of people from owning, restoring, classic cars.
It will get Dave Jones' name in the news, As a politician, he has to look like he's doing something.

So, while I don't complain about smog testing I donnot think this law is any good,..imo

[69GMCLonghorn]

Yeah, they need to look at who pollutes the MOST. I hate to drag them down, but let's look at the semi trucks, school and public buses, locomotives... ONE semi truck that is about 15 years old has to produce more smog than a several classic cars, maybe a dozen. Let's look at the beat up smoking trucks that pour in and out of the LA harbor every day. If they're old and in poor running condition, get them the hell off the road until they're fixed.

Now, take a classic car from the late 60's. Let's say the owner has pulled off the smog pump, installed headers, a Holly carb, open element air cleaner, and better intake manifold. Maybe install an Ignitor or HEI ignition. Forget the visual inspection. Let's inspect JUST the tail pipe emissions on this car compared to what it was from the factory. $10 says the modified motor is CLEANER than the stock motor with a smog pump... AND it will get better mileage AKA it's a "greener" car! Effing liberal A-holes! They will NOT get the best of us! NEVER!

[ZombieWeinerDog]

no checks in michigan

[Lippyp]

Here in the UK all cars have to have a fairly stringent annual inspection, it makes me laugh when I see a lot of your "beaters" as they'd never be allowed anywhere near the road in the UK. For example. any corrosion within 12" of a structural point such as a seat belt mount, body mount etc is a fail, any rust hole with sharp edges in non structural bodywork that could injure a pedestrian is a fail. As for emissions its a sliding scale based on the age of the vehicle aned Hydrocarbons and Carbon Monoxide are both measured. Pre 1975 thankfully its just a visual check for excessive smoke, 75 to 93 requires you to meet one level of emissions and then 93 onwards is a lower level as 93 is when catalytic convertors became mandatory here.

The test even includes thinks like wipers, screen washers, horn, seatbelts, the aim of the headlights and beam pattern is checked, tyres, exhaust, suspension and steering components and so on.

[SactoJim]

Common sense has long been replaced with self serving politicians.....period.

I mean really.......doesn't all that matters in regards to vehicle pollution is what comes out of the tailpipe......the f'g hood should never be lifted in an smog inspection. Check the tailpipe and gas cap and call it good. I have become so incredibly sick of government and how far they continually burrow into our personal lives and bank accounts on the fake premise that they are improving the world around us....BS.

Quite a few years ago, one of the main performance magazines took an early 70's California Nova which had the typical smog requirements of the time....pcv, air pump.....blah blah. They put a 671 blown big block in it, tuned it correctly, and guess what......it was much cleaner than the stock emission limits.

....and how many miles a year is that Nova gonna see?.......minimal.

SEMA usually fights these things hard, but I can help but think that eventually "common sense" will loose.

Let's all bow our head and observe a moment of silence for the death of "common sense"!!!

[Dooley]

Originally Posted by 69GMCLonghorn

Yeah, they need to look at who pollutes the MOST. I hate to drag them down, but let's look at the semi trucks, school and public buses, locomotives... ONE semi truck that is about 15 years old has to produce more smog than a several classic cars, maybe a dozen. Let's look at the beat up smoking trucks that pour in and out of the LA harbor every day. If they're old and in poor running condition, get them the hell off the road until they're fixed.

Now, take a classic car from the late 60's. Let's say the owner has pulled off the smog pump, installed headers, a Holly carb, open element air cleaner, and better intake manifold. Maybe install an Ignitor or HEI ignition. Forget the visual inspection. Let's inspect JUST the tail pipe emissions on this car compared to what it was from the factory. $10 says the modified motor is CLEANER than the stock motor with a smog pump... AND it will get better mileage AKA it's a "greener" car! Effing liberal A-holes! They will NOT get the best of us! NEVER!

Looks like you missed what is going on around you!
http://www.glgroup.com/News/Californ...ise-19777.html

[GOPAPA]

This was not intended by me to put the blame on a political Party ,,or to look like I do not like all smog laws ..

It is a fact that when I was at Disney Land with my family in 1989 that the orange cloud of smog over LA did make me cough and my eyes burn ..

Now when I visit my son north of Los Angels and go into LA it is so much better,,and smog control on cars and trucks is very much helped..

My complaint is that the head of the department of air control is trying to rid us of all the old cars and trucks to put a feather in his hat with an idea that will not help hardly at all..

And ,,Oregon is a heart beat away from adopting whatever this guy is trying to push down our throats..

Lets hope we can be represented when the laws are made up on this issue..

[texanidiot25]

Originally Posted by GOPAPA

This was not intended by me to put the blame on a political Party ,,or to look like I do not like all smog laws ..

It is a fact that when I was at Disney Land with my family in 1989 that the orange cloud of smog over LA did make me cough and my eyes burn ..

Now when I visit my son north of Los Angels and go into LA it is so much better,,and smog control on cars and trucks is very much helped..

My complaint is that the head of the department of air control is trying to rid us of all the old cars and trucks to put a feather in his hat with an idea that will not help hardly at all..

And ,,Oregon is a heart beat away from adopting whatever this guy is trying to push down our throats..

Lets hope we can be represented when the laws are made up on this issue..

But in areas like Florida, where their are no emissions laws (like Cali), and a similar population density, there is still less smog. In most areas with loose smog standards, the air is clean. Cleaner than Cali Cities at least.

Cars, and especially CLASSIC cars are hardly the issue in my research. Shoot, they would have less smog if they could prevent their forest fires...

[leddzepp]

Not gonna happen.

[GOPAPA]

Originally Posted by leddzepp

Not gonna happen.

Sooner or later it will happen as politicans do not give up,,they can make it law with out a vote from the people .. we have to have signitures to get a measure put on the voters phamplet ..

What about this one ? Do you think it wont happen either?

Next up in Calif is smog inspections for motorcycles built in 2000 and newer. It seems bikes count for 3% of the vehicles, but contribute 10% of the pollution. It's estimated that 85% of the newer bikes are using a modified illegal exhaust with the catalyst removed, increasing their emissions 100 times over stock.
All of this because the epa has ordered Calif to meet standards by 2011 or lose federal highway funding. It seems out the 10 cities in the US with the worst air pollution, 9 are in Calififornia..

[MacAttack]

Originally Posted by GOPAPA

Sooner or later it will happen as politicans do not give up,,they can make it law with out a vote from the people .. we have to have signitures to get a measure put on the voters phamplet ..

Won't happen - ever. Too many car clubs and custom builders in California. Too many auto and truck component manufacturers in California. This is at least the fifth go-around for this line of crap and the little gal representing the Los Gatos district up in the Bay Area was nearly strung up for introducing it last time.

Move along - nothing to see here. It takes mountains of money to get re-elected and the after-market part makers know where to put their's.

[leddzepp]

Originally Posted by MacAttack

Won't happen - ever. Too many car clubs and custom builders in California. Too many auto and truck component manufacturers in California. This is at least the fifth go-around for this line of crap and the little gal representing the Los Gatos district up in the Bay Area was nearly strung up for introducing it last time.

Move along - nothing to see here. It takes mountains of money to get re-elected and the after-market part makers know where to put their's.

Thank you, very well said

[MacAttack]

Originally Posted by leddzepp

Thank you, very well said

Thanks.

[71meangreenc10]

Its just a matter of time before everyone has to get into what CA does. I was in NC in 94 and no test. Now tests (At least that was what I was told and look forward to in a few months)

If they want to do something that makes sense, go after all the 2 cycle stuff (Chain saws, weedeaters, lawnmowers) They are actually worse than most cars by volume.

Smitty

[69GMCLonghorn]

Funny story:

A buddy of mine had a '65 Nova with a built 383 in it. He was getting on the interstate and they had a mobile SMOG DETECTOR set up on the onramp! It was a downhill ramp, so he floored it, then shut it off and coasted by them while flipping them the bird! He started it up and drove away. I love it!

[texanidiot25]

If you don't like the laws, move. That's the joy of federalism. California is bleeding citizens anyways with it's list of taxes, regulations, and laws.

Not gonna happen.

I can see it happening on the west coast. Just like the Cali-special emissions editions companies had to produce through out the 80s.

[68gmsee]

[QUOTE=texanidiot25;3296627]If you don't like the laws, move...... QUOTE]

NOOO NOOO!!!! They'll come over here and then demand we change our laws!!!!

Actually, a friend from Oregon tells me that's what happened to them. A lot of Californians moved and went to Oregon. They brought a lot of their activist/environmentalist thinking with them. Also, happened to Arizona, New Mexico (Albuquerque), Idaho (Cour de Laine), and Denver.

[Acloud]

In lovely Boise idaho when you fail emissions they give you a list of "approved" shops you can go to, and you have to spend $200, then they waive the test for a year. a joke for sure!!!!! and if you get caught driving with a failed emissions car its a $87 fine, i learned the hard way.

[vectorit]

I know of one city in SoCal that the police department targets older and modified newer cars, where the older cars are pulled over and given an underhood inspection for obvious mods. The newer cars that are flashy or louder than stock are also pulled over and given the same treatment, and if they fail the police officers visual inspection the car may be impounded. If not, you are issued a "fix-it ticket" to get it smogged.

[GOPAPA]

[quote=68gmsee;3296650]

Originally Posted by texanidiot25

If you don't like the laws, move...... QUOTE]

NOOO NOOO!!!! They'll come over here and then demand we change our laws!!!!

Actually, a friend from Oregon tells me that's what happened to them. A lot of Californians moved and went to Oregon. They brought a lot of their activist/environmentalist thinking with them. Also, happened to Arizona, New Mexico (Albuquerque), Idaho (Cour de Laine), and Denver.

A lot of us old timers feel this way about some from California who has moved our way ..not all folks ,,but some..

Originally Posted by vectorit

I know of one city in SoCal that the police department targets older and modified newer cars, where the older cars are pulled over and given an underhood inspection for obvious mods. The newer cars that are flashy or louder than stock are also pulled over and given the same treatment, and if they fail the police officers visual inspection the car may be impounded. If not, you are issued a "fix-it ticket" to get it smogged.

I thought California was first in making a law against profiling ..LOL

[Stocker]

[quote=GOPAPA;3296698]

Originally Posted by 68gmsee

A lot of us old timers feel this way about some from California who has moved our way ..not all folks ,,but some..

Funny thing is, I think some of the most vocal can be transplants who have lived there just long enough to consider themselves locals...

I grew up there in the Fifties & Sixties, and I recall a pretty strong sentiment even then.... Tom McCall (Gov, 1967-1975) publicly voiced his feelings during his term in office!

[GOPAPA]

[quote=Stocker;3296724]

Originally Posted by GOPAPA

Funny thing is, I think some of the most vocal can be transplants who have lived there just long enough to consider themselves locals...

I grew up there in the Fifties & Sixties, and I recall a pretty strong sentiment even then.... Tom McCall (Gov, 1967-1975) publicly voiced his feelings during his term in office!

Yes he did and the sign at he border that told people to "visit but dont stay" sticks in other states minds probably the most ..

Welfare paid more in Oregon than most states and we were getting a lot of welfare people moving in to up thier scale of pay ,,is one way of putting it ..

Tom did get a bottle bill passed and cleaned up our beaches and I am for both of them things ..but this smog thing for our old trucks is only a way to collect monies and then take the monies and buy up all the old cars and scrap them ..a lot different than what tom McCall did ,,don't you think?

I am just inside today because of lots of rain and "ranting " and not trying to get under any ones skin,,just *****in I guess LOL