0-60 in 7.32 seconds

[mikep]

And all in first gear. I need lower gears! Still not bad for 4500 lbs.

[UNCLEBOB]

Sounds like its running pretty good are you going to run it down the track this year. I got some slicks mounted on eight lug wheels you could borrow.

[mikep]

Yeah I will bring it down to the track this year. I'll see if my bonus comes in this month and I'll probably change heads before I do though. My luck the bastards will find a way to screw me out of it . Got a meeting tomorrow to find out.

I probably wont need the slicks though. One really good thing about having a wee bit too much cam and not quite enough converter for it is the near absence of wheel spin coming off the line. Its something I picked up on years ago while racing a 351 Cleveland . Those things have ports you could stuff a cheeseburger in so there is no low end torque to speak of . I was blowing away guys with WAY more horsepower than I was running and I was actually getting into the mid 12's with radial TA's because I didnt go up in smoke off the line. Came on like all hell after 25 mph though.

Sure I could throw a 3500 stall converter in the truck and on paper I would be faster but all I would do is lose a second or 2 spinning my tires .

[UNCLEBOB]

If you want the best times go to the bracket races on sunday the tracks in great shape then. Friday nights street races they dont touch the track but you can get a bunch of runs in. Last year I would run 13.30s friday and high 12.90s sunday. What heads are you thinking about going with.

[mikep]

Im looking at a set of Pro action heads with the 200 cc intakes. Theyre based on the Vortec design but with a greatly improved exhaust port and larger intake. The flow numbers on them at low lift are fantastic. I figure I can pick up an additional 60-70 HP over the WP S/R's I'm running right now and theyre good heads to begin with.

[mikep]

One thing though. In the tech inspections are they still checking neutral safety switch function. Last time I went through tech I remember them doing that. Seemed silly. Anyway I'm going to have to hook up the neutral safety switch. Why wouldnt you want to start your car in gear if thats what you were trying to do?

[lukecp]

My truck is kinda weird off the line. The motor is built mainly for low end, and the truck has 3.07 one-legger gears. If i am stopped, and idling, and mash on the throttle, it won't brake loose, and will take off and put you back in the seat suprisingly well for such high gears. Maybe it is because my exhaust is dual 2.5" pipes, which is a bit big for a mostly stock 350. It is nice when i race people though. I don't really have to worry about wheelspin.

[mikep]

I get a little more spin that that. Even with the 3.54 gears and 2200 stall converter with posi rear I get 15 -20 feet of wheel spin. Nothing to write home about. Thats just gassing it from idle. I havent tried power braking it yet although I never really have figured out if that helps or not.

Mike

[bigjimzlll]

still in first huh? Im going into third at 74mph..I shift into 2nd at around 40....(oh yea..I have actually smoke the tires into 3rd gear) if I load the converter.

[Reumster]

Yes the weight is the major enemy with these things. My 2wd blazer ran 75mph in the 1/8th I think around 8 or 9 seconds can't remember exactly.

But one can't avoid the reality of these imports like the WRX, and the new Lancer EVO runing 0-60 times in the 5 second range stock. AWD is where it's at, no better stop light killer. Syclones/Typhoons etc... Summit Quadra Duece! Skyline man I'd love to own one of them machines. Not to mention our own member working on a Carbon Fiber 1967 AWD 1200hp Shubeck powered truck.

[mikep]

Screw AWD and for that matter any car made after 1979 or so ( I only went past 1972 because of the Trans Am ). For far less money than a piece of JAP CRAP AWD I could build an awesome street car that would turn heads all day long and run mid 10's on good old American V8 2 wheel drive power and I wouldnt feel like an emasculated loser doing it..
The only thing I'd like to do with a Japanese car is run over it.

[crazy longhorn]

Enjoy that traction! I sure dont have any with the longhorn.....4.10s on a 28" tire, & 2500 stall, it likes to tire smoke& get squirrley the first 2 gears

[HotRod929]

4.56s are pritty bad too...

HotRod

[GMC71k20]

"The only thing I'd like to do with a Japanese car is run over it."

couldnt of said it better myself.

[lukecp]

mikep, how hard does your B&M street/strip shift kit shift? I have been thinking about getting one once the warranty runs out on my tranny. My rebuilt stock TH350, shifts firm, but i would really love for it to bark 'em going into second and maybe third gears. But i dont want to have something that shifts hard all the time, and tears up U-joints and tires.

[ty1295]

I am not a jap car fan myself. Although I am friends with Sean Morris who was heavy into the Skylines, and motorex for a bit.

My '70 is no slug. If going by the "how long of strip do you leave from standing start" method, it will leave a easy strip through 1st, and into 2nd.

Even then, a carb v8, 2wd, can't match the AWD in the Typhoon. I 0-60 of less than 5 seconds, sends your heart into the stomach. And that was with the stock motor. Can't wait to see how these new heads and intake do, along with the new ZR1 11" wide rear rims, and 9" front.

I enjoy the 70, but if I want to move fast from a stop light, NOTHING can touch the typhoon, wet dry, doesn't matter.

[mikep]

Ive been using basic B&M street and strip shift kits for over 20 years and have had them in 15 or so vehicles. I like them better than the transgo or TCI shift kits. Its a bit firmer shift. They are of course adjustable on installation between heavy duty and street and strip . I always chose street and strip when I do one. The heavy duty seems mushy to me.

A few things about the B&M .If you have a higher than stock stall converter you'll find the "chirpiness" of the shift goes down with the increase in stall speed rating of the converter. Ive seen that with several vehicles Ive installed looser converters in. You end up with just a quick clunk noise going into gear with no noticeable slippage. With this truck I have a summit 2200 stall converter and it does stall approximately at 2200 RPM . The tires do break loose going into 2nd gear but not third. I have the modulator set to shift automatically at about 40 mph and 65 or so into third. The shifts are very quick but the shifts are still controlled by the modulator so light throttle shifting still occurs at a reasonable rom range while full throttle occurs much higher. I personally believe that transmission kickdown devices were invented by the devil and I do not hook them up. Nothing like accidentally overevving because you shifted gears when you didnt want to.

[Piston]

I personally believe that transmission kickdown devices were invented by the devil and I do not hook them up. Nothing like accidentally overevving because you shifted gears when you didnt want to.

Exactly! Those things are dangerous on a performance engine.
If I allowed the trans to downshift to 1st at 35mph that thing would be out of control... Not to mention the RPM's.. No thanks.

[crazy longhorn]

Im not running a kickdown on my 400t either......it only took 1 time giving it a little too much "soup" around a corner! When it kicked down to 1st, the @ss end was doin all the steering

[UNCLEBOB]

They do check the neutral safety switch and dont forget the catch can for the radiator.

[Reumster]

You maybe able to pull mid 10s with a car built for under 20,000.00. But you won't be doing it street legal. You'd be hard pressed to pull mid 10's without tubing and drag slicks, not to much of a everyday driver, that gets desent gas milage.

There's no arguing the fact that you can acheive better traction, and better times with AWD and still be street legal.

I was the same as you mikep until they came out with the Syclone and it changed my whole outlook on street legal racing. I love my 72 2wd blazer, but it gets spendy in gas. Can't beat the sound and looks, but you can't avoid liking the idea of a car getting 20-25mpg that can run 0-60 in the 5 second range! Try to get out of the seat from 0-30! LOL

ty1295 I want a ride!

[ty1295]

A funny related story.

I was talking to a friend of mine in canadian who has a 10 sec syclone.

He first went 10's this summer, at 27psi, but has since slown it down to low 20's, to keep it in 11's, since he has no cage, and doesn't want to add one. Most people thing the truck is stock, he doesn't want to lose that.

He was running up in canada at 22psi, decided to shift it early. Was running mid/low 11's all day. (remeber turbos make GOBS of torque, rpm is not needed). He ends up running a 10.9 @ 130mph. (best mph on truck).

Tech guy pulls hims aside, "Where is your firesuit?", "Isn't a T-Shirt good enough?" (acting innocent).

Tech inspector then noticed truck has no cage... End of his runs for the day.

Back in the pits, a guy is talking to him, asks him where he hauled all his stuff. (rember this is street tires still), he repley "In the box!", guy scratches head then says "YOU DROVE THIS HERE!"

"Why not!!!"

That is typical of what the turbo and AWD can do. When weather is good, my buddy drives his truck to work, cruises the town, etc. Still manages 18 or so MPG.

I like v8 and I am a chevy fan all the way, but there is NO WAY my 350 in my truck, making some power could even come close to drivababilty, and mileage.

O yea, canadian buddy has less than $5k in motor also.

[68gmcjon]

I don't know what kind of shift kit the guy before me put into my truck but when it shifts from 1st to 2nd it will throw you back into your seat. It did tear up the u-joint though whenever i put it in drive or reverse it slams into gear. It doesn't slip at all though when i put it in gear just grunts and grips (real good).

What exactly does a torque converter do?

[mikep]

Street legal? What the hell are you talking about? Ive ridden in MANY 10 and 11 second 2 wheel drive cars that were "street legal" . In my state "street legal" means tread on the tires and turn signals. Same with most states. Theres no inspections. Ive driven "street legal" cars on the road for years that were as streetable as anything that were hi 11 and low 12 second rides. None had AWD. AWD is just a crutch for an underpowered car. My dads got a 750 HP 69 camaro. Its got a 454 with a 8-71 supercharger , a turbo 400, a 4.11 geared dana 60 and a full cage with 4 link suspension. He drives it every day ! That car is "street legal" and if he's got more than $14,000 I'd be surprised. No I'd be shocked! He's one cheap bastard who does all the work himself. AWD my ass. That car will run hi 9's all day. Who cares about the mileage? That car also turns a LOT more heads than any riceburner and it doesnt sound like a bunch of bees in a coffee can.

You guys need to drive some real cars !


BTW anytime you guys want to pit your AWD japmobiles against a real car. Let me know and I'll borrow the old mans ride for the weekend. We'll do some street racing and I'll make you pee yourselves. Just like hi school eh' fella's

[ty1295]

Who said anything about Jap?

The only one mentioned was skyline, but if you knew them, they are VERY rare in the US.

Street Legal, and Streetable and COMFORTABLE are seperate issues.


I prefer to have ALL. Include AC.